SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #25 ***ARREST**

[Sweet1]

HE's November 5th retweet about married fellas cheating on or murdering their wives could play a role in the M's defense.

I bet SM told HE, "I could never leave my wife. I'd have to kill her to get free. Otherwise, she'd make my life a living heLL...haha...but I'd never do that..."

But that tweet may have freaked TM out completely, especially as a self-described, "paranoid".

Defense attorneys may argue that The tweet was a veiled threat and the M's were convinced TM was not safe as long as HE was alive. Remember Amy Fisher?

Sadly, social media may be a liability for others besides TM.

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I have wondered many times, if that very retweet of Heathers is what got the wheels turning for TM for payback.

I feel like, once TM found out about HE that she probably googled & researched HE extensively.

IMHO

 

[LittleRose]

I've been thinking the exact same thing!



TM was rumored to find out about the affair on Halloween. HE might've been angry and upset about the affair being discovered, posting that Tosh quote being glib, but as self-absorbed as TM seems to be, she could've twisted it into a real threat.



The timing of HE's tweet and the soon-to-follow saccharine love fest on TM and SM's Facebook pages could be connected.



Was HE's tweet the "proverbial straw"?



Were the Moorer's Facebook love posts meant to jab at HE or were they the beginning of establishing the "happy couple's" alibi?

And there's certainly no reason they couldn't have been both.

Well said.

Maybe more things in pm's unbecoming to HE...

Possibly why they're not seeking death penalty...


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[Catlady2]

In tm's. Fb rant where she calls sm stupid I think she means- wow you sure know how to pick them, look what your weiner got us into this time, good job stupid!,

 

[intothedeep]

Unless this was the rare "thrill kill" there had to be a motive, IMO. Affair never ended? TM threatened to take the children away and SM believed her? Heather had something over one or both of them?

The affair being over for months and her needing to be murdered makes no sense at all. JMO

TM might not have needed proof of a continuing affair. The fact that HE showed up at PTL at all might be enough for TM to condemn HE. This could've confirmed (in TM's mind) that HE would continue the affair given the opportunity.

 

[intothedeep]

I have wondered many times, if that very retweet of Heathers is what got the wheels turning for TM for payback.

I feel like, once TM found out about HE that she probably googled & researched HE extensively.

IMHO

The Dis boards show TM is all about getting the last word.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Well said.

Maybe more things in pm's unbecoming to HE...

Possibly why they're not seeking death penalty...


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I don't believe anything Heather could have said, done, tweeted or texted could impact the M's sentence. They are charged with murder and their sentencing will be determined by their own actions.

 

[SharetheLight]

Ok to me that Tosh retweet that HE posted (if taken seriously) says that no way could SM ever kill TM now because he cheated on her. I think the tweet said something to the effect of you can cheat or you can kill her but you can't do both.
How would that be perceived as a threat? IF (playing devil's advocate) HE posted that and meant every word, she is saying SM already cheated so he can't kill her.
How is this a threat? Or how can it be perceived as a threat against TM? I don't see it.

 

[SharetheLight]

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That's so funny, a few days ago I wanted to do "research" on TM and SM, a so I joined the following online adult dating sites:



(1) Ashley Madison, (Married cheaters can find other local Married cheaters to make sexy time)



(2) Fetlife, which is a more hardcore alternative lifestyle site. (This was for the Noelle Paqueet case.)



3) Adult Friend Finder, to dig up more dirt on SH and TM. So, if anything happens to me and LE seizes my computer, they'll think I'm either one twisted sister or else think I'm all hot to trot and ask me on a date. :floorlaugh:

Thanks! I needed that. I am cracking up. The "hot to trot" statement is priceless

 

[Catlady2]

I think tm was pretty tech savy. I think she was able to install something on sm's phone similar to this http://smstracker.com/ I hope LE looks at her credit card statement to see if any charges like that are on there. Every move he made tm knew about it. "Every breath you take" that's not love folks that's puppet master lol
Imo

 

[SeaNymph]

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That's so funny, a few days ago I wanted to do "research" on TM and SM, a so I joined the following online adult dating sites:

(1) Ashley Madison, (Married cheaters can find other local Married cheaters to make sexy time)

(2) Fetlife, which is a more hardcore alternative lifestyle site. (This was for the Noelle Paqueet case.)

3) Adult Friend Finder, to dig up more dirt on SH and TM. So, if anything happens to me and LE seizes my computer, they'll think I'm either one twisted sister or else think I'm all hot to trot and ask me on a date. :floorlaugh:

You know, I THOUGHT about trying to check profiles on those swinger sites, AFF, etc, because it's such a huge social 'circle' in MB, but then figured I'd probably have to register to thoroughly vet out who may or may not be them and decided against it, so bravo to you! But at least wanted you to know you aren't the only one who 'went there'. Good luck - do tell if you find anything - and try not to find anything a shot in the butt is required to get rid of! (just kidding! I know you're only sleuthing!!!) :blushing:

 

[sarabean]

I've been thinking the exact same thing!

TM was rumored to find out about the affair on Halloween. HE might've been angry and upset about the affair being discovered, posting that Tosh quote being glib, but as self-absorbed as TM seems to be, she could've twisted it into a real threat.

The timing of HE's tweet and the soon-to-follow saccharine love fest on TM and SM's Facebook pages could be connected.

Was HE's tweet the "proverbial straw"?

Were the Moorer's Facebook love posts meant to jab at HE or were they the beginning of establishing the "happy couple's" alibi?
And there's certainly no reason they couldn't have been both.

BBM

I asked this before, but never saw any reply. Sorry if I'm asking something that's been gone over countless times. Do we know HOW TM found out? Thanks!

 

[Motherof5]

"Veiled threat"...

It could impact at least one juror for whatever reason...history of being jilted...religious convictions...etc.



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I guess that I would have to hope that the jurors have the intelligence to grasp the difference between HE tweeting her own thoughts and HE retweeting the name of a new episode of ToshO. Nothing tweeted by HE is grounds for her murder.

 

[jillycat]

Even if HE was tweeting her own thoughts and not that of a comedian, the jury is going to be hearing evidence of the murder of HE, as committed by SM and TM. That Twitter account is not going to save the M's from themselves.

LE says it has DNA and surveillance footage, amidst an array of other circumstantial evidence, and a judge agrees there is probable cause. If the M's can override that and turn HE's tweets into a defense for why she's dead, I want front row tickets to their circus.

 

[CarmonCayman]

I think SM had very strong feelings for Heather and I sincerely believe he was leaving his wife!

I think SM and Tm had words in those early morning Hrs about all the cell communication and SM said im leaving you to go with Heather he sends Heather the im leaving wife text. Tammy follows him and thinngs went from bad to worse!

JMO

Add to this Heather just went on a date that appears to have gone great and things go from worse to worse.

I hope SM did have real feelings for HE and guilt sets in leading to a confession and we can find Heather.



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[CarmonCayman]

So far we know that HE corresponded by texts/calls with SM's phone. We know that she was upset after talking to him. These are fact, right?

Then she goes out, right after these calls... and is never seen again.

I don't get why TM is getting all the flack and all the blame? To me, it seems that all the circumstantial evidence so far points to SM. I'm not saying she wasn't involved and I'm perfectly well aware of her awful FB posts and rants, and she quite obviously hated HE and what she'd done.

But am I the only one who thinks that it might be the case (and I'm only saying might) that HE did meet SM, that SM was the one who flipped - maybe during a fight when HE said she didn't want him leaving his wife for her, and that she'd been on a date and had a new bf.

Maybe TM only came into things afterwards, to help clean up the mess (figuratively and literally speaking).

Just MOO. Like everyone, I have no idea what happened, I just wonder whether SM is getting off a bit lightly at the moment?

Your not the only one. It seems speculation is considered facts at times and your theory, which I share, is just as likely as the next.

Remember though TM IS charged with murder so regardless if she helped SM kill her after SM hurt her in some way or she initiated and planned it, she is still an evil person. But yes, I do think the evidence supports your theory.



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[OkieGranny]

On TM's famous Facebook rant, it was a public post, but Tammy did not post it on her own timeline. She posted it as a response to a friend's question, then later deleted it.

The point I was trying to make earlier was that her responses come off markedly different (especially on the Dis boards) than the stand-alone posts she takes time to craft, edit and post independently.

TM's grammar, spelling and punctuation are not perfect in other Facebook posts, but her famous rant has multiple examples of mistakes in all three.

I don't think she proof read it at all. I think she was mad. She typed it and hit the submit key without thinking through the post being available for public view as part of a response thread. JMO

There are a couple of different ideas here about what the "stupid" part of TM's rant refers to specifically. Some say TM meant the affair made Sidney stupid. Some say she was referring to TE's alleged threats "making Sidney stupid."

I think OkieGranny likely has a very informed perspective on TM's web dialogue based on the number of Dis boards posts she's been reading while constructing the timeline.

OG (Can I call you OG?), I'd be interested to know your opinion on the "therefore making Sidney stupid" part of the rant.

Sure! I've been called worse, lol.

Okay, try this. Ignore the side notes in parentheses about the business card and missing Twitter posts and read it again. Without these interruptions in her train of thought, it sounds to me like TM's calling SM stupid for his choice of this particular cheating partner. I doubt that this was the first time he got caught stepping out, but twice in this rant and at least once elsewhere, she asserts that there was something very wrong with Heather's psyche (and her daddy's crazy, too!), so SM was stupid for getting involved with her.

Not that it would've been okay for SM to cheat with a more "well-adjusted" person, but some of Heather's postings gave TM ammo and she's using it. I think this entire post is a backhanded way of saying Heather deserved whatever she got, so everybody needs to back off and leave TM and her family alone.

JMO, of course.

 

[CarmonCayman]

I don't know if this can be posted here but they just reported that the missing Cal State student was found safe. Thank God for some happy endings


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[QuestionMark]

Okay.... If TCM and SM are on the same family plan (let's assume this for the moment), then I doubt SM and HE were texting each other. I have a feeling they either used KIK or another messaging app. TCM would probably have access to his phone, email, and FB but she might not have thought about messaging apps. Perhaps that is what LE is referring to when they said there were messages exchanged until 6am. I wonder if HE was calling SM to help her that night. TCM posted the times of multiple calls to SM's phone (one of the few times I think we can believe TCM), probably trying to show HE as "crazy or stalkerish.". But I don't think TCM anticipated HE making such an electronic trail that night.

Jmo

 

[CarmonCayman]

O/T But I sent you a pm yesterday Carmon - not sure if you noticed it

Yes thank you to you and everyone else that sent notes. I was really uplifted by all of the notes sent my way.


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[bettiepageturner]

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That's so funny, a few days ago I wanted to do "research" on TM and SM, a so I joined the following online adult dating sites:

(1) Ashley Madison, (Married cheaters can find other local Married cheaters to make sexy time)

(2) Fetlife, which is a more hardcore alternative lifestyle site. (This was for the Noelle Paqueet case.)

3) Adult Friend Finder, to dig up more dirt on SH and TM. So, if anything happens to me and LE seizes my computer, they'll think I'm either one twisted sister or else think I'm all hot to trot and ask me on a date. :floorlaugh:

Hahah! I hope you don't share a computer with anyone!

That reminds me I should probably clear my history before the boyfriend uses my computer and sees some strange auto-completes... I also joined Fetlife for the SM thread and now I'm worried google/facebook will start tailoring my ads to tell me where I can finally meet fellow "Disney fetish role-play culinary swingers theme park public sex" enthusiasts. :takeoff:

(none of the above is a rumor or implication, just starting points inspired by everyone's successful sleuthing downstairs!)

Oh yeah, and while we're discussing clandestine communication.. General Patraeus and his mistress used the drafts folder of a gmail inbox. Never actually sent a message out. Still, if the director of the CIA can't get away with his affair I doubt Sidney was ever going to. I'm very grateful for the paper trail he left behind.