SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #26***ARREST**

[Unykorn&Reignbeaus]

I think LE has the same idea as you Delta Dawn. This story came out last night, and Summerville is in Berkeley County right?

I wonder if when they were there SM talked with his daddy about things.....

 

[Justice4Heather]

This is so disturbing. I just can't fathom how someone could dismember another human being. Please don't take this the wrong way as I mean no disrespect ~but, I won't even cut up a chicken. Would a person have to be in an altered mental state to carry out such a horrible act? I suppose so because normal people don't do things like this~or, do they? To fully understand how the mind of a murderer works would necessitate getting inside their head. And, that's not some place I'd want to be.
Rest In Peace~Angie Pipkin

IMO, some people are born with mental illness, some people have mental illness as a product of their raising or due to heavy alcohol or drug use. I also think that tv, video games, movies and even the news show so much more than they used to and its like it glorifies violent behavior. The sad thing is, some people choose to not get help with whatever illness they may suffer from, some people are so overtaken by addiction that maybe that is all they know, or have chosen not to get help. I also think that things shown on TV are too explicit now. I hear words like ****, damn, ***** and on some channels the F word. The violence and suggestive themes to movies, tv series and music are too too much. Even some childrens shows/cartoons are very suggestive. Video games are just way to realistic and the sad thing is, some parents make a choice to let there children play them. Its all so much that can factor into what can be a part of someones choice to do such horrible things. JMO.... sorry its so much.

 

[intothedeep]

There were some light-hearted comments yesterday about DNA and snot-rockets and such. Someone wrote about forensics and urine, etc.

I'm being serious when I ask this... if I ever found myself taken, forced into a vehicle or trunk, should I urinate and, if given the chance, tell my abductor they will never completely remove the physical evidence I was there?

And on that note, are there any apps, cell phone add-ons, etc. to covertly voice activate an emergency signal?

When I took a self-defense course years ago, the instructor told us to always
"fight at the sight."
Never get in the car, even at knife or gunpoint.

If someone points a gun at you and tries to force you into a car,
scream and run like mad in a zig-zag pattern.
Your odds are still better than if you get in the car.
Sometimes they won't shoot to avoid attention.
The gun may not be loaded, or may not even be real.
A moving target is hard to hit.
Even if you are hit, the chances it will be a fatal
are still much lower than if you get in the car.

Always let someone know your whereabouts when you're out alone at night.
Lock your car at night, even in rural areas.
Never leave your car unlocked and running while you run inside your home for a forgotten item, especially in urban areas.

If you feel uncomfortable with anyone or anything around you -
LISTEN TO YOUR GUT! - alert someone, run, don't go in, whatever... better to be wrong and feel silly.

Lock your car the second you get inside it in a parking lot.

Have your keys ready before you exit a store.

Never park beside a van or tall vehicle with tinted windows.
NEVER park between two vans.

Children are supposed to scream,
"THIS IS NOT MY PARENT," to distinguish from random kid screaming.

Don't rage, curse, yell at your attacker.
This can lead some personalities to be even more impulsive/aggressive.

If you're put in a trunk, kick out tail lights if possible.
Push hand, foot or any item outside to alert other drivers.
Remember everything you see, hear, smell, touch, feel. This may save your life later.

If an attacker is on top of you, sometimes arms are held in a way you can still get fingers near their face. Go for the eyes or nose.
Sounds gross, but the nose is a sensitive area and hooking
a finger inside a nostril and pulling can be debilitating.

The groin area is a good target for woman attackers as well as men and is often left unprotected.

If any of these things have changed, or are incorrect, please let me know.

I wonder how technology has changed self-defense strategies.

I'd love to know what to tell my girls (and boys too, for that matter).

 

[Just K]

When I found that there is a "Moorer" relative who also had the rt 814 address, I had a feeling that SM's ties to the Charleston family might not be so distant. Then I found a construction company with "Palmetto" as the first word in the name. The company is owned by an acquaintance of one of SM's direct relatives. That direct relative also has another construction company. And that was when I began to wonder if SM was still connected, through family and friends in the construction field, to the Charleston area.

 

[1&2&3]

On this discussion of the M's taking HE for disposal along their trip to the in-laws, in my thinking they would have had to bury her for the days prior to the trip. Then risk being caught reclaiming the body - too dangerous even for the Ms! And it is gross to mention, but there is an odor associated with death. Guess a cooler would be an answer, however, with three inquisitive children along, this idea doesn't sound likely. The Ms would have gotten HE out of their hands immediately!! IMO

 

[Just K]

That smirk on TCM's face, in the first mugshot, makes me believe that they planned the hiding of Heather's remains. IMO, TCM believes no one will find Heather and that, IMO, pleases her. I feel there is either concrete or some metal container involved.
I also believe that her first plan was to suggest Heather ran away. If that didn't work, I believe it was her backup plan to make certain that any and all evidence, if any was found, would point to SM alone.

 

[hockeymom4]

There were some light-hearted comments yesterday about DNA and snot-rockets and such. Someone wrote about forensics and urine, etc.

I'm being serious when I ask this... if I ever found myself taken, forced into a vehicle or trunk, should I urinate and, if given the chance, tell my abductor they will never completely remove the physical evidence I was there?

And on that note, are there any apps, cell phone add-ons, etc. to covertly voice activate an emergency signal?

When I took a self-defense course years ago, the instructor told us to always
"fight at the sight."
Never get in the car, even at knife or gunpoint.

If someone points a gun at you and tries to force you into a car,
scream and run like mad in a zig-zag pattern.
Your odds are still better than if you get in the car.
Sometimes they won't shoot to avoid attention.
The gun may not be loaded, or may not even be real.
A moving target is hard to hit.
Even if you are hit, the chances it will be a fatal
are still much lower than if you get in the car.

Always let someone know your whereabouts when you're out alone at night.
Lock your car at night, even in rural areas.
Never leave your car unlocked and running while you run inside your home for a forgotten item, especially in urban areas.

If you feel uncomfortable with anyone or anything around you -
LISTEN TO YOUR GUT! - alert someone, run, don't go in, whatever... better to be wrong and feel silly.

Lock your car the second you get inside it in a parking lot.

Have your keys ready before you exit a store.

Never park beside a van or tall vehicle with tinted windows.
NEVER park between two vans.

Children are supposed to scream,
"THIS IS NOT MY PARENT," to distinguish from random kid screaming.

Don't rage, curse, yell at your attacker.
This can lead some personalities to be even more impulsive/aggressive.

If you're put in a trunk, kick out tail lights if possible.
Push hand, foot or any item outside to alert other drivers.
Remember everything you see, hear, smell, touch, feel. This may save your life later.

If an attacker is on top of you, sometimes arms are held in a way you can still get fingers near their face. Go for the eyes or nose.
Sounds gross, but the nose is a sensitive area and hooking
a finger inside a nostril and pulling can be debilitating.

The groin area is a good target for woman attackers as well as men and is often left unprotected.

If any of these things have changed, or are incorrect, please let me know.

I wonder how technology has changed self-defense strategies.

I'd love to know what to tell my girls (and boys too, for that matter).

Thanks for this post. I have it saved and I am going to talk about it with my "kids" this weekend. One other thing I saw once in a show was with leather (I think, it was an older model car) seats, the girl took a bit into the door handle and police matched her teeth impressions, once they found her body.

 

[Susan59]

<respectfully snipped for length>

If you feel uncomfortable with anyone or anything around you -
LISTEN TO YOUR GUT! - alert someone, run, don't go in, whatever... better to be wrong and feel silly.

ALL of those are great points - thank you for raising them!

IMHO, the single most effective protective thing we can do is to develop our situational awareness skills. That's what intothedeep is talking about in the above quote. Everytime I see some kid walking down the street with headphones, staring at an iPod, I want to walk up to them and "Gibbs 'em" in the back of the head. :scared:

Here is a long, but thorough, article about situational awareness:

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/practical-guide-situational-awareness (BBM)

More Mindset than Skill

It is important to note that situational awareness -- being aware of one's surroundings and identifying potential threats and dangerous situations -- is more of a mindset than a hard skill. Because of this, situational awareness is not something that can be practiced only by highly trained government agents or specialized corporate security teams. Indeed, it can be exercised by anyone with the will and the discipline to do so. Situational awareness is not only important for recognizing terrorist threats, but it also serves to identify criminal behavior and other dangerous situations.

The primary element in establishing this mindset is first to recognize that threats exist. Ignorance or denial of a threat make a person's chances of quickly recognizing an emerging threat and avoiding it highly unlikely. Bad things do happen. Apathy, denial and complacency can be deadly.

A second important element of the proper mindset is understanding the need to take responsibility for one's own security. The resources of any government are finite and the authorities simply cannot be everywhere and cannot stop every potential terrorist attack or other criminal action. The same principle applies to private security at businesses or other institutions, like places of worship. Therefore, people need to look out for themselves and their neighbors.

Another important facet of this mindset is learning to trust your "gut" or intuition. Many times a person's subconscious can notice subtle signs of danger that the conscious mind has difficulty quantifying or articulating. I have interviewed many victims who experienced such feelings of danger prior to an incident but who chose to ignore them. Trusting your gut and avoiding a potentially dangerous situation may cause you a bit of inconvenience, but ignoring such feelings can lead to serious trouble.

The discipline part of practicing situational awareness refers to the conscious effort required to pay attention to gut feelings and to surrounding events even while you are busy and distracted. At such times even obvious hostile activity can go unnoticed, so individuals need to learn to be observant even while doing other things.

Levels of Awareness

People typically operate on five distinct levels of awareness. There are many ways to describe these levels ("Cooper's colors," for example, which is a system frequently used in law enforcement and military training), but perhaps the most effective way to illustrate the differences between the levels is to compare them to the different degrees of attention we practice while driving. For our purposes here we will refer to the five levels as "tuned out," "relaxed awareness," "focused awareness," "high alert" and "comatose."

The Stratfor article mentions "Cooper's colors". I like these in particular, probably because I learned of them while taking my concealed handgun carry class Again, another lonnnnnggggg article.

http://www.teddytactical.com/SharpenBladeArticle/4_States of Awareness.htm

CONDITION WHITE- White is the lowest level on the escalator. In Condition White one is unaware, not alert, oblivious. This state can be characterized as "daydreaming" or "preoccupied". People in White tend to walk around with their heads down, as if watching their own feet. They do not notice the impending danger until it literally has them by the throat.

CONDITION YELLOW- This is a relaxed state of general alertness, with no specific focal point. You are not looking for anything or anyone in particular; you simply have your head up and your eyes open. You are alert and aware of your surroundings. You are difficult to surprise, therefore, you are difficult to harm. You do not expect to be attacked today. You simply recognize the possibility.

CONDITION ORANGE- This is a heightened state of alertness, with a specific focal point. The entire difference between Yellow and Orange is this specific target for your attention. It might be the fact that he is wearing a field jacket in August. It might be that he's standing by a column in the parking garage, instead of going into the building, or getting in a car and leaving. It might be that you have been in five stores at the mall, and saw this same guy in every one of them. His actions have caused you to take note of him, so you must assess him as a potential threat

CONDITION RED- In Red, you are ready to fight! You may, or may not, actually be fighting, but you are MENTALLY PREPARED to fight. In many, or perhaps even most, circumstances where you have gone fully to Red, you will not actually physically do anything at all.

 

[floridamomma]

I'm off to catch up, but thought I'd share a "found" story here, maybe the "found"vibe will rub off....

I took two of my boys to the mall, C is my 3 yr old.
ok, one day this will be funny. we left mall, head home. decide, oh yeah, fish. arrive at pet store, no wallet. tore van apart, nothing. buy fish with cash, call Dillards, nothing turned in. head back to mall, upon seeing it, c asks why we are back. I explain. he says, oh!, yeah, I did take your wallet and hide it, isn't that so funny! I'm like, what?! he repeated the same story twice. so I parked, go back to register I was at,(all this with new, too big rain boots on)... he goes under several racks to the back wall, digs into a pile of folded shirts and pops up with my wallet.

ugh.

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[NFYIAMY]

That sounds great. I'll happily meet you, when both of our schedules permit. Two heads are better than one.

Would three be a crowd?

 

[Ghostwheel]

First of all, I would like to say 'Good Morning' to everyone reading this morning. Its a bit chilly, but a beautiful day thus far. I would love nothing more than for today to be the day, especially with how beautiful this one is starting out, that we bring Heather home.



Yes. Computer forensics could possibly view the video if it has been taped over.

There are a lot of variables that come in to play though.

If they didn't obtain the videos until the week that the warrant was issued and the Ms were arrested, then it is possible, however highly unlikely they would be able to view any footage from December if it has been taped over.

However, if they obtained all video surveillance in the area the week HE disappeared, then the chances of them being able to view video that has been recorded over increase significantly.

Just to name a few of those variables :

-How old the surveillance system is.

-If it is hooked up to a computer, and what type of computer and how old the computer is.

-The software the surveillance system / computer is running.

-How the surveillance system actually records.

-The time elapsed since the incident occurred to when you are viewing the footage.

While we are on the topic of technology, I read a few posts either a couple of pages back or on a previous thread that I wanted to comment on.

There seems to be some confusion and misunderstanding about when/how cell phones 'ping' cell phone towers.

Even if a cell phone is off, it still 'pings' towers. Only removing the battery will prevent the cell phone from 'pinging'.

Obviously every time the cell phone makes a call, receives a call, sends a text, receives a text, turns on, turns off, and surfs the internet, the cell phone must connect to a tower (thus the 'ping').

Even if none of the above activities are taking place, the phone still pings surrounding cell phone towers at regular, timed intervals. This interval varies from carrier to carrier, phone to phone, and the software the phone is running.

So in short, as long as the battery is in the cell phone, and has even the slightest amount of charge, it is connecting to (pinging) cell phone towers. Regardless of activity on the phone. Simply turning the phone off will not stop it from connecting to surrounding cell phone towers.

Just wanted to clarify.

-Restless in Horry County

-JL

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I respectfully disagree. It depends on what is considered "Off" on your cell phone. Mine is an old Rzr 3. When it is turned off, it is off. It pings nothing as there is no power to ping anything. When my daughter's android's screen goes black, and you have to push the power button to turn the screen back on, it is really in standby, not off, so it pings. But when hers is turned Off--really turned Off as in the alarm won't activate it, nothing will bring it to life except holding the power button down for 5 seconds and releasing it--it does not ping. It depends on your phone, the software that runs it and is on it, and how it is set up. Some phones have software installed so that the phone never really turns off, even if you think you have it off (remember all those things you installed that said they wanted you to share your location with them?). But all phones are not created equal.

 

[Lovejac]

Just saw this posted on the FB page. Not sure if it's allowed, but it's a link to a new article

Eta. At least new to me. Sorry if repost.
http://www.postandcourier.com/artic...-with-state-horry-county-officials&source=RSS





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Thanks for posting this article. This confirms that his parents and brother still live in my town. I wonder what Sidneys father meant by that statement he made :waitasec:

 

[Justice4Heather]

Would three be a crowd?

The more eyes the better our chances!

 

[GodsGirlE]

Hello everyone! I've been lurking for a few weeks, finally joined last week, and just getting around to making my first post. What can I say? This case has drawn me in. I live a little over an hour from Myrtle Beach but in NC. I used to frequent MB almost every weekend when I was HE's age, and I think that's one reason I identified with this case so easily. I also see quite a bit of myself when I was that age in what I've gotten to know about HE from her SM. Whatever the reason is, I feel like this case is "in my bones" and I feel the need to see it through.

My family & I made the drive down to MB for a meal & some shopping. When we drove past Broadway, my heart sank down to my stomach. When I walked into Walmart on Seaboard near 501 for our last stop of the night and saw the missing flyer for myself (not virtually), sadness weighed heavy on my shoulders. The fastest way for me to get home from there was to take 501 to 31. As I passed by all of those spots familiar to me AND HE, a couple of thoughts struck me. First, we had torrential rains in the area over the past few days. There's water EVERYWHERE. Maybe the raised water levels will work to the advantage of LE in this case. Also, as I drove down 31, I was struck by how absolutely DESOLATE the area is immediately west of the developed beach area. Driving down 31 & looking west, there's nothing but acres upon acres of woods. So many hiding places. It's rather depressing in the light of things, but I still have hope that LE gets a break that will result in being able to bring HE home...for her family's sake.

 

[Surfside]

Another thought...it could establish why they went to the area. If they remained estranged and it is later found out they were in the area, it would be more suspicious. By reconnecting, it gave them a reason to be there. I hope they do search that area.

I was thinking along the lines of rallying the troops. Speaking from past experience, when you have an estranged (immediate) family member, as the years go by, it truly becomes an "out of sight, out of mind" situation. My personal situation was with my sister, and went on for 20+ years. Had anyone come to me, or the rest of my family, during that time, and questioned us about something she allegedly did, I don't think any of us would have come to her defense. We didn't feel like we knew her, so we wouldn't have been able to support her or back her up in any way. In the (Summerville) M's situation, they MAY HAVE felt similarly. I wonder if T&S wanted to make sure that wasn't the case. In that article from the Post & Courier, when SM's Dad says he thinks they were lied to by police, I immediately wondered if T&S wanted to make nice with the Summerville M's, feed them their side of the story, and have the extra support. Does this even make sense? I have a headache and am having a hard time putting my thoughts onto the screen.

 

[Just K]

If Heather's disappearance and death is due to TCM's jealousy and desire to control her perfect personal picture/fantasy, I can't help but to wonder...if SM planned or participated in any other attacks or assaults on women that either she believed or knew to have had relations with Sidney.

I also keep coming back to the reported Moorer marital issues in 2009. That was the year Brittnae Drexel disappeared. Now that Heather disappeared, TCM, says she had her own two year fling. Could there be a pattern?

TCM, is a self professed paranoid. Since 2009, she says she left and went back to her R&R lifestyle. She also tells of having security cameras and excessive locks. She asks her Dis friends their opinions on child tracking devices.

Could she have found out or believed that SM had been with a pretty young girl. Did either SM or TCM come into contact with Brittnae? If so, then it seems likely that TCM would say she had her own boyfriend. I also wonder if either of the Moorers knew or had contact with any of the suspects in Brittnae's case.

Five years ago, SM would have been 33 and Brittnae was at the beach with the two 20 something girls. But she like Heather looked more mature and possibly older than their actual ages. But the age differences, at there respective times, was 18 years.

Then there was Amber she was 23 when SM was 37. Did SM work at any restaurant at the same time as SM? Did TCM mistake her for Heather or believe that SM had an affair with her, too.

IMO, SM strays, TCM finds out and begins her searches, stalking and attacks. Then SM helps her tie up the loose ends...

 

[NFYIAMY]

And on that note, are there any apps, cell phone add-ons, etc. to covertly voice activate an emergency signal?

(Snipped by me to address one question.)

This is the greatest thing ever!! Cuff bracelets and necklaces!

"Simply press your Cuff and your protective circle receives your location and other information they need to get you help."

 

[Justice4Heather]

(Snipped by me to address one question.)

This is the greatest thing ever!! Cuff bracelets and necklaces!

"Simply press your Cuff and your protective circle receives your location and other information they need to get you help."

I see what I will be looking at for birthday and Xmas gifts. Thanks for sharing that. What a great great thing to have.

 

[Surfside]

Thank you so much for your post. I really got a feel for the area surrounding PTL.

The chilly weather, along with your comment about the dogs make me believe even more that whatever happened at PTL Dec 18th happened inside a vehicle and quickly. I don't think there was a confrontation outdoors.

Did you happen to see anywhere close by someone could've parked unnoticed and walked to the landing? Or maybe someplace a short drive away one of the Moorers could've parked and been dropped off after PTL?

Glad I could share. I didn't really see anywhere, as far as parking UNNOTICED. Of course, I wasn't thinking along those lines, so maybe I should go back and pay special attention to that, next time. PT Rd. is just a two-lane road, lined with wooded areas and swamp. There are houses and trailers too. I'm digging around in my memory from this morning and years ago, and can't think of a place that you'd go UNNOTICED. I didn't drive up the (slight) hill, into the mobile home park. I didn't know if that would be appropriate. Something tells me I'll be going back soon to look more thoroughly. It was my intention this morning to solve this mystery once and for all. I had high hopes, but it turned out to be far more emotional than I suspected. Knowing that, I think I may be more productive next time.

 

[NFYIAMY]

Hello everyone! I've been lurking for a few weeks, finally joined last week, and just getting around to making my first post. What can I say? This case has drawn me in. I live a little over an hour from Myrtle Beach but in NC. I used to frequent MB almost every weekend when I was HE's age, and I think that's one reason I identified with this case so easily. I also see quite a bit of myself when I was that age in what I've gotten to know about HE from her SM. Whatever the reason is, I feel like this case is "in my bones" and I feel the need to see it through.

My family & I made the drive down to MB for a meal & some shopping. When we drove past Broadway, my heart sank down to my stomach. When I walked into Walmart on Seaboard near 501 for our last stop of the night and saw the missing flyer for myself (not virtually), sadness weighed heavy on my shoulders. The fastest way for me to get home from there was to take 501 to 31. As I passed by all of those spots familiar to me AND HE, a couple of thoughts struck me. First, we had torrential rains in the area over the past few days. There's water EVERYWHERE. Maybe the raised water levels will work to the advantage of LE in this case. Also, as I drove down 31, I was struck by how absolutely DESOLATE the area is immediately west of the developed beach area. Driving down 31 & looking west, there's nothing but acres upon acres of woods. So many hiding places. It's rather depressing in the light of things, but I still have hope that LE gets a break that will result in being able to bring HE home...for her family's sake.

I drive 31 into MB every day. I've looked at those same desolate areas and I've had those same thoughts.... Every day say a prayer (or two) that they will find Heather soon.