SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #8

[bestill]

Speaking of facebook and social media, if someone connected to the perp and knew something about what happened were to come on this site to post taunting remarks, could that be used against them when this goes to court? Just curious if WS has ever been used in a trial?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

You have to drive Dick Pond Road to get to Peachtree. Old Dick Pond Rd is 544 and there is a bridge that runs over the ICW and Peachtree. You can't get to Peachtree from 544, that I'm aware of.

Correct. I edited my post and removed #2 (501 > 31 > 544 > Peachtree Rd.).

 

[seenandheard]

Not to mention that all the date did was snap a photo, not like he called pops and chatted. And when people get excited about things they do things that may seem crazy. On DH and I's first date (and it was a blind date that lasted 13 hours may I add) we had someone take a picture of us just in case it worked out so we would have it.

OMG, that is so adorable.

 

[cluciano63]

:blushing:Okay, I feel like a ten-year old, as "Old Dick Pond" make me laugh...

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

:blushing:Okay, I feel like a ten-year old, as "Old Dick Pond" make me laugh...

I am right there with you. :floorlaugh:

 

[bestill]

:blushing:Okay, I feel like a ten-year old, as "Old Dick Pond" make me laugh...

:floorlaugh:

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

:blushing:Okay, I feel like a ten-year old, as "Old Dick Pond" make me laugh...

Imagine living there.....

"where are you?"

"At the Old Dick."

Ok back to being a mature adult......

 

[Aeronomy]

:blushing:Okay, I feel like a ten-year old, as "Old Dick Pond" make me laugh...

And you just made me laugh as I can envision my 9 year old saying "There's Old Dick Pond" every time we passed such a road or place.

I truly thought it was a misprint the first time I read the article. Duck Pond - Dick Pond-- One makes more obvious sense, yes?

 

[bettiepageturner]

I was just thinking out loud and about Social Media **in general** (just hypothisyzing):

People think that if someone writes a controversial comment on Social Media which sheds some element of truth to an incident or investigation that it can be used against them in court. At first glance, it may appear to aid LE and get a conviction down the road or at least help to narrow a POI. And that is true. However, people shouldn't get too happy about this, and I'll tell you why....

Think about it: a comment on Social Media can be used to work against an investigation if it is stated that a suspicious person (and their DNA) should be located in a particular spot (and why it would be there) that is being criminally/forensically evaluated. Therefore, the Social Media post can give a "forensic alibi" for someone if their DNA shows up in a location it shouldn't be, in a sense. It is a very clever strategy to get a possible POI off-the-hook, so to speak.

This is my theory and it pertains to Social Media in general. Social Media is a relatively new venue that we must now explore within the judicial/criminal system. It adds an interesting layer to an already over-worked law enforcement agency all over the world. It can be your friend or be your foe when it comes to an investigation, I think.


ykwim?


All moo

That's an excellent point.

One would hope the case against them would be built so strongly that something like this wouldn't override the other evidence. I wonder if they were found guilty despite their attempts at a forensic alibi, they could also be charged with evidence tampering in some roundabout way..?

I'm reminded of Stephen McDaniel posting a random anecdote on a message board about trying to kill an insect of some sort, somehow resulting in the wounds LE later determined to be defense marks left by the victim.

Looking back on things like that just strengthen the "guilty mind" factor IMO. If anything, offering up things that sound like explanations for forensics before the results even get revealed sends the hinky meter off the charts. Like Willow Long's uncle specifying in his statement he had been looking at *advertiser censored* and masturbating before Willow ran out of the house. Don't think he did himself a single favor there, but thankfully they rarely do. MOO

Somewhere there is a video I took at the dead end of RM blvd. It's on yt under CarolinaAsh

Thank you CarolinaAsh. I may have seen that actually; I know I watched the PTL part. Did you go to RM blvd because of the incident report or was it just in the area?

 

[Catchy kitty]

I was just thinking out loud and about Social Media **in general** (just hypothisyzing):

People think that if someone writes a controversial comment on Social Media which sheds some element of truth to an incident or investigation that it can be used against them in court. At first glance, it may appear to aid LE and get a conviction down the road or at least help to narrow a POI. And that is true. However, people shouldn't get too happy about this, and I'll tell you why....

Think about it: a comment on Social Media can be used to work against an investigation if it is stated that a suspicious person (and their DNA) should be located in a particular spot (and why it would be there) that is being criminally/forensically evaluated. Therefore, the Social Media post can give a "forensic alibi" for someone if their DNA shows up in a location it shouldn't be, in a sense. It is a very clever strategy to geyt a possible POI off-the-hook, so to speak.

This is my theory and it pertains to Social Media in general. Social Media is a relatively new venue that we must now explore within the judicial/criminal system. It adds an interesting layer to an already over-worked law enforcement agency all over the world. It can be your friend or be your foe when it comes to an investigation, I think.


ykwim?


All moo

I understand exactly what your are saying.

Also can we join carolinaash's timeline with LE's incident reports?

 

[jillycat]

Just thinking out loud about the car being found at PTL with no HE scent found. If HE got picked up by someone at her condo and then things went wrong I wonder if the would have moved her car to PTL so that if someone spotted her leaving with said they could say "I dropped her off and she must have left on her own." Oh and I am NOT implying that her date had anything to do with it. I truly feel terrible for him and don't think that he had anything to do with this.

I think the car drop is an attempt to draw attention away from other activities and locations. I don't know that anyone specifically considered it as alibi material in the event they were seen with her. It makes no sense that she would leave in the wee hours, then return and leave again. Not that perpetrators are sensible, but I just think the car was dumped out of panic, perhaps, and/or a 'Look, there's Halley's Comet!' attempt.

I'm not sure Heather did all that much running around after a date. I think the time between her last known activity by phone and where she is now was relatively short.

 

[zelmajane]

:blushing:Okay, I feel like a ten-year old, as "Old Dick Pond" make me laugh...

I've been told it was named that because of the shape of the pond. Haven't checked for myself yet. Lol.

 

[rizzo0904]

I don't really understand the whole dog and her car thing. Her scent HAD to be in the car, it's her car and she drives it daily. Is the issue that her scent is not tracked OUTSIDE of the car? If someone pulled up next to her, she jumped in the vehicle, and they took off, there wouldn't really be anywhere to track her scent to...especially if they pulled up next to her driver side door.

I don't think the car was dumped, I think she left it there willingly to go with someone she thought she could trust.

 

[rizzo0904]

I've been told it was named that because of the shape of the pond. Haven't checked for myself yet. Lol.

Now my imagination is running wild...OLD Dick instead of YOUNG Dick Pond. he he he

 

[Aeronomy]

OT: My guess is it was named after someone, a Richard Pond perhaps or someone named Richard.

Back on topic: I agree with other posters who suggest the location of the car may have been staged.

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

i've been told it was named that because of the shape of the pond. Haven't checked for myself yet. Lol.

google earth!!!!!!

 

[jillycat]

I think there are two issues that make the timeline incomplete. We don't know when the car got to PTL or was first seen (and perhaps not considered remarkable), and we don't know for sure that the last activity or ping from the cell phone was the 3:41 a.m. time when she spoke with her roommate.

I'd also be interested in knowing if the clothing she was wearing when the truck photo was taken was found in her condo or not.

 

[seenandheard]

If this has been covered please feel free to direct me....but does anyone know the logistics of her condo setting? If she answered her door or stepped outside to talk with someone, how visible would she and the other person have been? If she left in any vehicle, how noticeable might that have been (I suppose this could depend on what time the activity occurred). I have no perspective on her residential setting.

Also, if a person was leaving her condo in her vehicle, what might the best route to PTL be to avoid drawing attention or being in the car for too long?

I know the logistics of her condo setting. In my opinion, unless you are making a lot of noise it would probably not be noticed.



However, if you lived on a first floor unit facing the parking lot, you very well might be woken by headlights shining through your bedroom window
If you were a light sleeper, or even just simply getting annoyed with it happening so often, I could see looking out to see who was moving a car in
the middle of the night.

 

[JnRyan]

I don't really understand the whole dog and her car thing. Her scent HAD to be in the car, it's her car and she drives it daily. Is the issue that her scent is not tracked OUTSIDE of the car? If someone pulled up next to her, she jumped in the vehicle, and they took off, there wouldn't really be anywhere to track her scent to...especially if they pulled up next to her driver side door.

I don't think the car was dumped, I think she left it there willingly to go with someone she thought she could trust.

From what we have been able to determine is TE unlocked the car for the officer and the officer looked inside it. Or least took his spare set of keys to the landing and maybe I am just assuming he had to unlock the car. But then TE drove it home. No mention of dogs at that time. I remember reading that in the initial search around that area dogs were later used.

BUT, I can't find in a news article anywhere a statement that dogs were used around where the car was parked to see they could pick up a scent, let alone find a scent or not find a scent. IOW, to determine if HE was there with the car. Of course, I don't believe we have heard if the car was later processed by crime scene specialists for fingerprints or trace evidence.

If I'm missing something here, maybe one of the VI or locals can fill in the missing parts.

 

[Calli]

There's an interesting comment on FHEFB made under the post by ALG that mentions Web Sleuths. Please just go and look without discussing so I don't get in trouble! : )
https://www.facebook.com/findheatherelvis
**edited to clean up grammar