GUILTY SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #39

[Edvis]

The shotgun shells and bird shot were the two kinds of ammo loaded in a gun -- don't know if both guns were loaded with two kinds of shot. That was my understanding at least. I know zero about guns, so I could be wrong.

The shotgun that killed PM had 2 rounds loaded in it, one was birdshot containing smaller pellets. The other was buckshot with larger pellets and more devastating when hit with it. PM was shot first with the birdshot in upper chest which didn't kill him the second shot was buckshot which finished him off sad to say. MM was shot with 5 AR rifle 300 blackout rounds the last to were to the skull area, kill shots.

 

[10ofRods]

Demons can only hide behind the mask for so long and once you get a good look at a demon despite what face it lives behind it's something one never forgets. knowing the face has saved my life and others during my time in the service, starts with the eyes IMO and follows with extreme heartless actions. Take a good look at AM and remember it if you wish, remembering that image may save someone you love or yourself one day IMO.

Wise words. Truthfully, I've seen a few malevolent people (inside jails or prisons) but never had the "pleasure" of seeing their unmasked, malignant faces when they are in kill and destroy mode. But we saw that on Alec Murdaugh's face in this trial. My husband says he's seen it (he too was in the military, but he also saw it in other places when crowds got out of control and there was violence).

Now I've seen it too and can never forget it. In fact, now I'm reflecting on a particular person (former employee where I work) and I do think I saw a version of it on his face, once or twice. The rest of the time, everyone said he was the nicest, funniest person they'd ever met.

Hmmm.
IMO.

 

[Simply Southern]

The defense pushed the two short shooters hard but shotgun shells as well as rifle shells were found all over the area including right in the garden bed up at the house. The shooting range had shells all over as well and said the family never cleaned up their brass and shells. Fresh 300 blackout shells were also found around MM and shotgun shells, 2 were found just inside the doorway where PM was shot.

But....they never produced the guns that matched the shells. They presented guns like or could have been used.

 

[minusfour]

I just watched the sentencing on Youtube, after hearing it on the 9 AM national news on the radio. (Australia). The pathos of AM's life is incredible. Given so much-surely everything he wanted?-this is what he does with it. The family tradition over, his wife and sons life over, a trail of victims whose lives have been so harmed- this is your life, AM.

Three cheers for no one being above the law, (in the end), and for all the hero's who contributed to this outcome.

The new mugshot-now we see you AM.

 

[Pitsleuth]

Its always been said that she fell up steps then down steps, IDK what the final result was. I can see her being pushed with such force that she hit the lower steps and concrete with her head before she could break her fall with her hands. If she fell down a flight of stairs and landed with force, her lower back, her ribs, neck and head would hit at the same time. IMO

IDK I don’t think Gloria’s actual death was nefarious (although the aftermath certainly was). Pushing someone down a very short flight of stairs is a risky way to try and kill someone- IIRC she died almost a month later, not immediately. What if they don’t fall just right or hit their head hard enough to die? Then she wakes up and says “he/she pushed me”. If I was gonna kill someone, that certainly wouldn’t be the way I would do it. MOO

 

[Walela]

To clarify its one county, not that corner of the state. I'm retired and in this area frequently, I worked all over the entire state. I never heard of AM until the boat accident, made local papers. MOO...

Isn't the 14th District where the Murdaugh men held the position of solicitor for umpteen years comprised of 5 counties?

 

[Katrinepa]

Things that made my eyebrows go up:

Immediately telling the first LE about Paul's boat case and he's getting threats
He lied about how long he was gone to that first LE that arrived
He asks Blanca to clean the house and he asks the groundskeeper to clean the lawn and driveway early on the 8th
Blanca was uncomfortable about the shirt conversation
Ms. Shelly was freaked out enough about their conversation that she called her brother to share what Alex said
He lied about being at the kennel
His reason for lying is drugs, but he can't even tell us how many pills he took, what a normal day of taking pills looked like, when, how many at a time, etc.
He took the stand answering questions like a lawyer, NOT like a grieving father wrongly accused of murdering his son and wife.
He was caught in several lies on the stand
All his calls/texts from June 7th were deleted, except 2 facetime calls
He wasn't worried about Buster
He wasn't afraid for himself, Buster, or anyone else in the aftermath, yet several people testified they were all afraid and he wasn't worried about whoever killed them coming after him or his family/friends
He still isn't looking for the "real" killer and neither is anyone else in his family

Excuses, deflection from the start.

Lying from the get go to LE and Sled/ Sitting in the Vehicle and Wailing Loudly, but not one tear shed, Deflecting Hugely, blaming people attacking Paul in Social Media, and at Bars, etc., but no reports of such at all, and even his friends who testified said he did get snarky remarks at Bars and such, but nothing significant. THEN creating some whacked out story about someone he knew who was working with the CIA(or the like) and being hired to chase Black Panthers and Kill them. INSANE!

Never asking LE to find the Killer(s).

Lying about being at the Kennels.(Paul's Audio PROOF)

Blanca's testimony about Maggie telling her Alex was hiding things(spurred by Maggie's Credit Card being denied at a store).

Read Maggie visited a Divorce Lawyer in Charleston, and looking into Finances.
Blanca finding Maggie's Wedding Ring on the floor of her vehicle.
His testimony, Full of lies and created BS. All in addition/supporting the Post before mine. MPOV

 

[bestill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631719823733399571

I think it was Liz's husband, his other uncle. I hope Buster gets the help he's going to need. I don't know what he's done in the past but I can't imagine what his future looks like without mental health therapy. Imagine having to process what your father did to what was once your family. Denial will only go so far. All JMO

 

[Pruddennce]

I realize how large Moselle is, and I appreciate your detailed post, but I am still mind boggled that the kennel area was not scoured for evidence more thoroughly after two people were murdered. Two people were gunned down and by the next day - the area was released. I would have thought they would have looked more thoroughly for evidence. I am 100 percent pro law enforcement, so I am not trying to speak negatively about them, I am trying to understand why it was realized so soon.

This is a portion of that same article posted.

The jury then watched a responding officer’s body camera video taken at the crime scene. The heart of their brief debate surrounded shotgun shells, which he said the not guilty voters put forward as evidence of Murdaugh's innocence. During trial, the defense suggested there were two triggermen but the prosecution maintained the only man who was in the position to commit the crime was Murdaugh.

It only took Moyer and the majority 45 minutes to turn the holdouts, he said.

“The evidence was clear,” he added.




So what about the shotgun shells made 2 people think it wasn't Murdaugh so they discussed it? I don't recall us discussing that here, but maybe we did.. lol So all that we have talked about reasons for them not finding him guilty and it ends up being something about the shotgun shells? Anyone know what was off/odd about those that would make 2 jurors consider voting not guilty?

IMO, deliberation is a discussion. it takes all of them to discuss each other's point of view. havent you ever pondered another person's take on something and say wow...yes, I missed that..and subsequently changed your point of view based on another component not taken into account initially?

 

[Megnut]

JG says that the family has come away after 6 weeks of the trial more convinced than ever that Alex is innocent.

I daresay Alec is innocent. He's innocent of any and all human decency.

Devoid. Bereft.

He-devil.

There is a dark light behind those eyes.

JMO

 

[fred&edna]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631719823733399571

I'm watching his interview with Angenette Levy atm

I'll watch that one next

Andy Griffith with a crime scene background is how he described himself. lol

 

[Katrinepa]

NO

GUILTY AS SIN!

 

[arielilane]

Does anyone have a nagging thought???? What if he wasn't the murderer???

No.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

But....they never produced the guns that matched the shells. They presented guns like or could have been used.

they did match markings in the fresh shells to old ones found on the property. Not having the exact guns was not an issue for me, we know the type of guns used and he had those type of guns. moo

 

[Napoli]

I do. Won't be well liked. To many mistakes by LE. Didn't secure crime scene, should have turned over to outside agency, so much circumstational evidence. Didn't look for other suspects, even with PM being threatened. Did thry investigate any rhreats?

I've believed from day one this was revenge. The way PM was killed. I think MM was in the wrong place. Not sure who, he wronged so many. Some hated this man.

I've known grown men to lay in freezing rain, on the ground, silent for hours. Waiting to shoot deer. Two friends laid in wait to record a mother's lover staying over. They recorded until he left the next am 12 hrs.

It would be very easy to park a several miles away. Hike in and lay in wait. I do believe there were two shooters. The persons knew the family well, knew what guns to use.

Now if LE had secured the crime scene, called in our agency to investigate, etc, then I would feel comfortable in the verdict.
Moo....

Great arguments....

 

[MrsWatson]

I do. Won't be well liked. To many mistakes by LE. Didn't secure crime scene, should have turned over to outside agency, so much circumstational evidence. Didn't look for other suspects, even with PM being threatened. Did thry investigate any rhreats?

I've believed from day one this was revenge. The way PM was killed. I think MM was in the wrong place. Not sure who, he wronged so many. Some hated this man.

I've known grown men to lay in freezing rain, on the ground, silent for hours. Waiting to shoot deer. Two friends laid in wait to record a mother's lover staying over. They recorded until he left the next am 12 hrs.

It would be very easy to park a several miles away. Hike in and lay in wait. I do believe there were two shooters. The persons knew the family well, knew what guns to use.

Now if LE had secured the crime scene, called in our agency to investigate, etc, then I would feel comfortable in the verdict.
Moo....

Crime Scene: Alex had called several people who showed up there and were wandering all over, even though some of them were attorneys and knew better. Why didn't they, as attorneys, versed in the law, step away? Tell each other to stay away?

Revenge for what? All those alleged "threats" to PM, not ONE , none, were brought up to LE. None, zero, nada. What threats? If they were threats, why weren't they brought to LE? Whom the Murdaughs had a close relationship with.

Why didn't the dogs alert? Alex admitted there was no one there that would make the dogs bark.

Why was AM on the Snapchat when three people were there moments before the shots were fired and only one survived?

Which persons knew the family well, and knew which guns? Knew where they were? At an unplanned meeting? Why did Alex hightail it to his mothers and why did he pressure the caregiver to lie about the time frame?

Who was the second shooter and why? Who was the first?

The jury looked at the evidence, heard AM testify, in his own words, that he was the only person there who survived.

 

[Seattle1]

I'll make sure to share this information with anyone who asks about the book. I was wondering where all the unfounded rumors came from. A LOT of the information included in the local news media and magazines like People ended up being false. Very unprofessional.

I'm hearing political connections. Started hearing more rumblings when the WSJ reporter known to have covered the SC presidential primaries was chosen as a pool reporter for the trip by jurors to Moselle. I had enough politicking with the Senator/ defense attorney but that's just me.

Trip to Moselle: Jury visits property where Margaret and Paul Murdaugh were killed

COLLETON COUNTY, S.C. (WCBD) – Members of the jury in Alex Murdaugh’s double murder trial visited the family’s property – known as Moselle – where Margaret and Paul were killed the night of June 7,…

www.counton2.com

Wall Street Journal reporter Valerie Bauerlein, who was chosen as part of the pool to report on the trip, described the remoteness of the Moselle property in terms of how large Colleton County is. “Your pool can go a mile or more without seeing a home,” she wrote.

 

[Katrinepa]

No

Certainly not so soon. I would be so sad, even traumatized at the weight of it all, I'd just want to run home and be with my own loved ones. Everyone is different though. I can see some being angry at having to be away from 'life' to deal with such a horrid creature, but I'd be wiped out.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I realize how large Moselle is, and I appreciate your detailed post, but I am still mind boggled that the kennel area was not scoured for evidence more thoroughly after two people were murdered. Two people were gunned down and by the next day - the area was released. I would have thought they would have looked more thoroughly for evidence. I am 100 percent pro law enforcement, so I am not trying to speak negatively about them, I am trying to understand why it was realized so soon.

I don’t disagree, definitely could have done a more thorough investigation, I don’t wonder though that some of the things were not done were due to the influence of the Murdaughs. Not that it is their responsibility, but they certainly never had any problem taking charge of any other type of investigation, re the boat case. I wonder why in this instance, they weren’t telling LE get back here and do this, scour the the whole property, etc.. moo

 

[Elley Mae]

My dad did that - and so do we. Our guns are for self-defense. All of us live in neighborhoods with approximate ⅕ acre lots - so the next house is about 30 feet away.

We load our shotgun so that the first shot is bird shot. That should stop anyone who has come into or is coming through a door or window of our house. It could kill them, but it would certainly stop them. If it doesn't, I think the next round is buck shot. My dad kept a regular slug as his second shot (but his was an old school, 2-barrel shotgun). The idea is that if that first shot doesn't deter, the second one will - both of them aimed at the center of the torso, so either one could kill - the slug would certainly do it. Our shotgun holds 5 shells and the last three are slugs.

All of my uncles and 1 gun-owning aunt did the same. It's very common. My dad started shooting pests with a .22 rifle out on the Great Plains when he was 10 - for money. Those were his theories. He was also a WW2 and knew a lot about guns.

Indeed, I believe that it's possible that Alec intended to kill both Paul and Maggie with the two shells he had in the shotgun. Paul with the birdshot (I think it was) and Maggie with the buckshot. At close range and if properly aimed, it would be fatal.


IMO.

Probably prairie dogs(nuisance), hubby would shot ground hogs for farmers here western Md., they can be destructive to tractors.

Yes buckshot close range, but Waters webt with the theory that AM failed to kill Paul with first shot, as Paul came to door way AM had to make second shot with shotgun as he was putting it down creating the angled shot to Paul’s arm neck head.

I think Paul had the 300 blackout leaned to the right of the door them AM used that to shot Maggie as she ran towards Paul.

Jmo