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RMDH is close, but it's not the hospital. If LE wanted to present the idea that JS had an iron clad alibi for the time period of interest, then saying he was where he wasn't-I find that misleading and my question is-why? Add to that, search warrant requested videos for the hospital, I have not seen any information the LE requested videos for RMDH.
 
RMDH is close, but it's not the hospital. If LE wanted to present the idea that JS had an iron clad alibi for the time period of interest, then saying he was where he wasn't-I find that misleading and my question is-why? Add to that, search warrant requested videos for the hospital, I have not seen any information the LE requested videos for RMDH.

Yes, the RMDH is quite close -- I noticed it when we took my son in for ear-tubes years ago. It's okay, but I would suspect (and MOO please) that JS wouldn't stay there. You almost assume it's for people that have children in critical care or long term care that can't afford a hotel.

The RMDH is also a charitable organization that encourages cash donations for those who stay the night. Implied not required:

Our cost to care for a family is about $148 per night, and includes food, utilities, lodging and other House services. We ask families to consider making a donation to help us ensure continuation of these important services. However, we accept any family regardless of their ability to pay.

Source: http://www.rmhcsd.org/en/what-we-do/housing.html

I, too, wonder if LE checked out to see if JS really did go to the RMDH and was turned away?

Here you have a guy with lots of money and nice hotels with room service/maids within a mile and he's gonna stay at the RMDH for 6 or so hours? The place isn't exactly quiet either! Not to mention those pesky rules:

•The House suggests a $15.00/night donation, and will request a nonrefundable room deposit of $40.

•Guests are responsible for cleaning up after themselves, as well as their visitors.

•Each room is assigned a house chore to be completed by 4:00 pm daily. If unable to do the assigned house chore by 4:00 p.m., staff on duty should be notified by guest.

There are no tv's or radios in these rooms either. You would have to go to a TV room.

I'm sorry, but I don't see JS being the RMDH kinda guy. This is my opinion only.

I wonder if the hotel he did stay at has him on video.

Thanks,

Mel
 
For the time of period of question, from 1 to 7 am, JS told LE he was staying at RMDH. It's in one of the search warrants. He was turned away the first night after Max got injured (Monday going on Tuesday), not the Tuesday going on Wednesday, when he said he stayed at RMDH. I realize JS was never considered a suspect and thus did not need an alibi, but LE did request hospital videos to verify his whereabouts prior to RN's body discovered. But considering JS was at RMDH and not the hospital itself, where is request for RMDH videos?
 
For the time of period of question, from 1 to 7 pm, JS told LE he was staying at RMDH. It's in one of the search warrants. He was turned away the first night after Max got injured (Monday going on Tuesday), not the Tuesday going on Wednesday, when he said he stayed at RMDH. I realize JS was never considered a suspect and thus did not need an alibi, but LE did request hospital videos to verify his whereabouts prior to RN's body discovered. But considering JS was at RMDH and not the hospital itself, where is request for RMDH videos?

I am going to assume, hopefully correctly, that you were referring to 1 am to 7 am, vs pm. The night before, he may have also had his friend Howard with him. It does not say when Howard arrived, only when he left and was driven to the airport with Adam, Jonah and Rebecca. Since there were several phone calls between Rebecca and Howard, he may have stayed with Jonah the entire stay.

This would have made it possible for him to then stay at RMcDH the following nights, as it is for family members only, of which Howard is not moo only.

As for the family utilizing RMcDH, it is convenient, close proximity and fairly safe, I am sure. If they had presented a pattern of staying by their childs side as much as possible, I would not question it in fact. imoo this did not seem to be the case. I can not imagine leaving my childs side in the first 24 to 48 hours, as those are usually the most critical hours.

Imoo, Max was NOT stable. He had had a cardiac arrest, that had lasted 25+ minutes. Doctors, nurses and security would have had to pry me away. What if Max showed any responsiveness, was restless, seemed to be in pain. The nurse can not be by the patients side at all times. I would have had to be there. Of course everyone is different. This imoo only. But, you could not have gotten me into another building.
 
Yes, sorry, JS said he stayed at RMDH from 1 to 7 am during the period of time of interest. RN presumably died around 3 am or before on that night. AS called 911 at 6:48 am after discovering the body. My personal opinion is that close proximity of the hospital to RMDH doesn't cut it, when discussing someone having an iron clad alibi, and accuracy on the part of LE is important.
 
quoting from RadarOnLine:

Jonah left the hospital around 1 a.m. on July 13, 2011, and was able to get a room at the Ronald McDonald House. Dina stayed at the hospital for the entire night, according to the search warrant.

Jonah called Dina prior to his arrival at the hospital and notified her that Rebecca "had killed herself," the court docs state. Jonah returned to the hospital on July 13, 2011 at around 7:00 a.m., having just been notified via text message from his brother that his girlfriend was dead.

I don't think I've seen any confirmation that LE (confirmed) that JS was at the RMDH between the hours of 1AM and 7AM on the 13th. If I missed it I apologize. But confirming this is huge for me. If LE can't place him there........(insert assumption here).

MOO - thanks.

Mel

Source:http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/09/rebecca-zahau-death-timeline-key-players
 
I am going to assume, hopefully correctly, that you were referring to 1 am to 7 am, vs pm. The night before, he may have also had his friend Howard with him. It does not say when Howard arrived, only when he left and was driven to the airport with Adam, Jonah and Rebecca. Since there were several phone calls between Rebecca and Howard, he may have stayed with Jonah the entire stay.

This would have made it possible for him to then stay at RMcDH the following nights, as it is for family members only, of which Howard is not moo only.

As for the family utilizing RMcDH, it is convenient, close proximity and fairly safe, I am sure. If they had presented a pattern of staying by their childs side as much as possible, I would not question it in fact. imoo this did not seem to be the case. I can not imagine leaving my childs side in the first 24 to 48 hours, as those are usually the most critical hours.

Imoo, Max was NOT stable. He had had a cardiac arrest, that had lasted 25+ minutes. Doctors, nurses and security would have had to pry me away. What if Max showed any responsiveness, was restless, seemed to be in pain. The nurse can not be by the patients side at all times. I would have had to be there. Of course everyone is different. This imoo only. But, you could not have gotten me into another building.

BBM = in 100% agreement. I just don't get it. Leaving to go to dinner, etc. Heaven forbid - it's not like the guy had been sitting in the hospital for a week...we're talking 24 to 48 hours. You can run on adrenaline alone that long. Add to that the fact that he's a CEO I'm sure he's put in long hours at the office, gym, whatever. Why did he EVER leave his son's side.

I don't get it, and probably never will.

MOO

Mel
 
quoting from RadarOnLine:

Jonah left the hospital around 1 a.m. on July 13, 2011, and was able to get a room at the Ronald McDonald House. Dina stayed at the hospital for the entire night, according to the search warrant.

Jonah called Dina prior to his arrival at the hospital and notified her that Rebecca "had killed herself," the court docs state. Jonah returned to the hospital on July 13, 2011 at around 7:00 a.m., having just been notified via text message from his brother that his girlfriend was dead.

I don't think I've seen any confirmation that LE (confirmed) that JS was at the RMDH between the hours of 1AM and 7AM on the 13th. If I missed it I apologize. But confirming this is huge for me. If LE can't place him there........(insert assumption here).

MOO - thanks.

Mel

Source:http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/09/rebecca-zahau-death-timeline-key-players

We know from the search warrant LE requested videos from the hospital. But I have not seen anything indicating LE requested videos from RMDH. So, my question would also be, how did LE confirm JS whereabouts at the time period of interest? Is there room card scanning information? I don't think search warrants request that info either, unless someone can correct me.
 
Originally Posted by greenpalm
As I pointed out, the RMDH is only 331 feet from the hospital. I'm definitely in the Rebecca's-death-investigation-is-hinky camp. However, I don't think THIS part of the press conference is part of my concern. They left out so much CRUCIAL info. I'd be willing to overlook what I'd consider to be an over-generalization about where Jonah was at the time of her death. Given how close the RMDH is to the hospital, Jonah may as well have been at the hospital. I guess I don't see the need to split hairs. (There's plenty of other valid criticism of that press conference though!)

Hi greenpalm! I understand completely what you are saying and I am not one either that is about splitting hairs and IMO most times when the ridiculous splitting of hairs is out of desperation of there not being anything Of substance to support one's theory of a case.. But as we both know that's not the case here with there being continuing evidence questioning Rebecca's death.. So, in agreeing with you about there being plenty already I want to explain why it is I feel strongly about the hospital vs. RmcDH issue..

In LE's attempts at proving whether it was suicide/homicide(no matter how lax I believe that was to be).. Still however that was the objective which I think all would agree is an extremely important task.. They state that they question Jonah and requestion Jonah in their going about this investigation of whether it was murder/suicide and needing to verify Jonah's whereabouts during the time in question.. Jonah continues to tell them that he was at the hospital with his son throughout the time in question.. Whereas on the night prior he states that he went to the RMcDH at 1:55am.. I find this important because Jonah, himself is distinguishing the difference between the hospital and RMcDH. On the night in question Jonah mentions nothing of leaving the hospital and going to RMcDH, he instead states he never left the hospital and it was on that statement that LE used as the probable cause in which they received the SW for Rady's security video.. Their sole purpose was based on nothing but Jonah's statement to LE that he never left the hospital.. therefor they subpoena the hospital video to verify this is fact..

We now know that Jonah was not at the hospital from 1-7am and that was what would have been seen on the hospital video.. I do not know the process that occurred btwn LE and Jonah but do know that according to other affidavits that Jonah was not at the hospital with Dina and max from 1-7am and his statement now differentiates again from the hospital by stating that he was at RMcDH..

So I question why not subpoena those RMcD videos from the time in question to verify his whereabouts?? They subpoenaed Rady's with probable cause that Jonah stated he was there.. The video would have not verified Jonah's claim because he now admits he wasn't there, therefor the video would have shown Jonah leaving hospital around 1 am and returning sometime after 7 am.. During those hours that Rebecca was murdered as well as her body discovered.. So if his statement in the affidavit proved to be false by the video why then was it not verified thru subpoenaing RMcDH security video?? Or if they did where are the subpoenas for that important time frame for an important individual in this case that verified his whereabouts??

That's why I don't see it as splitting hairs, especially due to the fact that Jonah himself differentiates between the hospital and RMcDH.. If he had specified that for the night prior why in his statement to LE(more than once)he states that he never left the hospital on the night in question(and it was this statement that was the probable cause used in the affidavit to request SW for Rady's.. IMO that is a statement of great magnitude that one would expect to have been accurate and honest).. We now know differently that he did leave and WAS NOT at the hospital during the hours in question..
 
We know from the search warrant LE requested videos from the hospital. But I have not seen anything indicating LE requested videos from RMDH. So, my question would also be, how did LE confirm JS whereabouts at the time period of interest? Is there room card scanning information? I don't think search warrants request that info either, unless someone can correct me.

Even with room scanning locks on the doors, that would not prove he entered the room, imho. It would go further in establishing an alibi than what we have seen however, which is nada.

I would like to see camera shots of the parking garage, to see if the car he was using remained in the garage throughout the night.
 
Sounds as if the investigation into proving JS location at the time of RZ's death was minimal and that, (moo), is suspect.
 
..do we have a link to the search warrant for the hospital surveillance tapes, other than the thumbnail in the news thread?
 
Hmmm reading search warrants again..... LE didn't request the hospital video surveillance video until the 24th of august. wtf is that all about what freaking investigating did they do until August 24th when they needed evidence to prove suicide???
 
Hmmm reading search warrants again..... LE didn't request the hospital video surveillance video until the 24th of august. wtf is that all about what freaking investigating did they do until August 24th when they needed evidence to prove suicide???

And how long would such film ordinarily be retained? Six weeks seems like a long time to hang on to it.
 
We don't know if the hospital actually hung onto it.

Mmmm...so there is a possibility that LE didn't actually look at the tape-they asked for about 36 hours of it on August 24, and by September 2, they had reviewed it all- 36 hours from multiple cameras....I'm not buying what they are selling.
 
Mmmm...so there is a possibility that LE didn't actually look at the tape-they asked for about 36 hours of it on August 24, and by September 2, they had reviewed it all- 36 hours from multiple cameras....I'm not buying what they are selling.

And even if they viewed every minute of it, those were the hospital tapes. JS was not at the hospital from 1 am to 7 am. So why didn't LE request RMDH tapes, which is where JS was, if they wanted to verify his whereabouts?
 
I am furious with what's happened!! This ignorant dr spouting off for days serious, serious accusations to the point tht Rady's social worker calls in LE for a pending protective order in the case with the dr stating it seemed to him that Max was suffocated prior to his fall.. This is the reason I believe that Rebecca is dead!!!!! Her blood is on his hands!!!

His mistaken thoughts brought this family to dire straights in believing Max had been suffocated/murdered!!
And those dire straights IMO is what led to Rebecca being murdered!!!

And all for what?? The damn doctor was wrong!! In the end the proof showed that Max died from injuries of his accidental fall.. This doctor led Max's family to believe otherwise for days and it is directly what cost Rebecca her life!! MOO!!

There will be extreme cover ups attempted to keep this case buried and EVERYONE's dirty little secret buried right along with Rebecca!!

Great post. I totally agree.
 
Hope the 911 calls are released soon. They should be very informative. They're public record in California. Wonder why the sheriff's dept is holding them back, and at whose bidding?

I agree. I see no reason to hold them back.
 

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