Searches for Lisa

[indepmo]

Thanks indepmo. I wonder how that affects the private property regarding the casino? Anyone is always able to walk public land- I was very curious as to how the PD felt considering the nature of the way this search is being promoted online. But I gather they are not making any statements about that.
Seems like locals have already been asked to not search, except to be alert on their own properties?
Anyway- thank you for calling.

Well, previously while leads were still being ran and they were hot, LE didnt want anyone out doing anything. As far as the "casino", it is now owned by a medical facility. There are "service drives" that have "authorized persons only beyond this point" or something to that affect posted in one area that leads to the river, but as far as the rest of the property I'm not certain.

The PD was very open with me on the phone, and I would urge anyone to contact them in a situation like this if they were concerned about contamination or doing something that is unauthorized.

 

[Oriah]

Well, previously while leads were still being ran and they were hot, LE didnt want anyone out doing anything. As far as the "casino", it is now owned by a medical facility. There are "service drives" that have "authorized persons only beyond this point" or something to that affect posted in one area that leads to the river, but as far as the rest of the property I'm not certain.

The PD was very open with me on the phone, and I would urge anyone to contact them in a situation like this if they were concerned about contamination or doing something that is unauthorized.[/quote]

Good to know about the PD- and an excellent recommendation.

I hope the search is safe and successful- and does not compromise any evidence, any individuals, or any part of the investigation into Lisa's disappearance.
I also hope that considering there are no named persons of interest or suspects (is that correct?)- that it is not predatory in any way of those who love and are missing baby Lisa.

 

[In da Middle]

Good to know about the PD- and an excellent recommendation.

I hope the search is safe and successful- and does not compromise any evidence, any individuals, or any part of the investigation into Lisa's disappearance.
I also hope that considering there are no named persons of interest or suspects (is that correct?)- that it is not predatory in any way of those who love and are missing baby Lisa.

And Caylee shows us that if nobody looks where she was at, nobody will find them, where ever they are.

quote from Jeff Ashton

"In the end, Murphy's Law prevailed: everyone assumed that
someone else had searched there, but in fact no one actually had,"
Ashton writes. "Everyone, including law enforcement, assumed that
the most obvious place had to have been combed and given the all
clear -- which just proves the adage about what happens when you
assume. Everybody ends up looking like and *advertiser censored* and a nation spent
an extra four months searching around the country for a lost little
girl who was a quarter mile from home."

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/jeff-ashtons-book-casey-made-nuclear-lie-about-cay/nFdSY/

I guess it can't be a bad thing that people are searching, but I do not like the added instruction of calling 911 if something is found. That sounds like a very unprofessional search. This person seems like they want to be thought of as professional search party.

 

[Oriah]

I don't like the instruction of calling 911 either if you 'find something.'

And I don't like that it is not real clear who is 'in charge' of this search. The person(s) who appear to be organizing it online- it doesn't appear that they are going to be there? Due to financial restrictions? Or does anyone know if that's changed? Who is checking searchers in and out? Who is taking the government ID of searchers? Who is confirming that no one under 18 is participating?
I know it's clear that I am concerned... but I am.

Anyhoo- indepmo- another question if you don't mind- is it Cerner that owns that property now- or just leases the parking areas? TIA if you know.

 

[In da Middle]

I don't like the instruction of calling 911 either if you find 'something.'

And I don't like that it is not real clear who is 'in charge' of this search. The person(s) who appear to be organizing it online- it doesn't appear that they are going to be there? Due to financial restrictions? Or does anyone know if that's changed? Who is checking searchers in and out? Who is taking the government ID of searchers? Who is confirming that no one under 18 is participating?
I know it's clear that I am concerned... but I am.

Anyhoo- indepmo- another question if you don't mind- is it Cerner that owns that property now- or just leases the parking areas? TIA if you know.

Cerner, to my knowledge, bought it when Sam's Town went under. As far as I know, they still own it. They guard it very well also so I wonder how far any searches will get and if they got prior permission.

 

[Oriah]

Cerner, to my knowledge, bought it when Sam's Town went under. As far as I know, they still own it. They guard it very well also so I wonder how far any searches will get and if they got prior permission.

Thanks In da Middle. that's what I thought I remembered from looking up earlier- didn't know if it had since changed ownership again.

I will be very interested to see if prior permission has been gained also. Guess we'll see.

 

[Morag]

So the parents- as is their right- are not talking separately because they are afraid the police will accuse them.

And the police don't have the manpower to continue a large scale search for either this baby's remains or for clues which might lead them to a happy ending.

And since there is a chance that someone would plant- or destroy- evidence, it is thought best that no one else should be searching in these last few weeks before winter snows come.

Oh, I get it. There is no hope for anything positive to happen, so it's best to just give up.

Look, I get (and love) the Bill of Rights. And I understand the possibility of contamination of evidence. But not doing anything at all won't yield anything at all.

 

[indepmo]

I don't like the instruction of calling 911 either if you 'find something.'

And I don't like that it is not real clear who is 'in charge' of this search. The person(s) who appear to be organizing it online- it doesn't appear that they are going to be there? Due to financial restrictions? Or does anyone know if that's changed? Who is checking searchers in and out? Who is taking the government ID of searchers? Who is confirming that no one under 18 is participating?
I know it's clear that I am concerned... but I am.

Anyhoo- indepmo- another question if you don't mind- is it Cerner that owns that property now- or just leases the parking areas? TIA if you know.

In September 1995, Sam's Town Gambling Hall, Kansas City opened as the third casino under the brand, and the 5th casino in the Kansas City area.
In February 1996 Sam's Town dropped the admission fee that had run as high as $9 per person. This fee was used in the past to pay for the $2 per person fee the casinos were required to pay to the state.
After poor results, Boyd closed this location in July 1998, selling many of its assets to Harrah's Entertainment for $12.5 million.[1] The boat itself is no longer docked at the property, but the former parking garage and other structures are currently being used by nearby Cerner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam's_Town_Gambling_Hall,_Kansas_City

 

[yllek]

I am interested to hear peoples' thoughts on these type of 'searches.' There seems to be much debate regarding missing persons, and whether or not searching for them should be somewhat of a free-for-all for the public... or should be restricted to LE and professional SAR.

I find the correlation interesting when combined with public opinions on guilt or innocence of a possible perpetrator.

It seems that when the public tends to believe a crime has been committed against a missing person (either by intent or neglect- especially a crime against a child) they are more likely to side with the concept of preserving evidence, so that justice can be had for the victim. Thus leaning more toward LE or professional SAR conducting searches.

If no crime is thought to have been committed, and the missing person just goes...missing... then public opinion seems to lean toward volunteer and community searches being encouraged in order to assist in recovery and closure for the loved ones of the victim.

The search planned for baby Lisa tomorrow has me wondering which motivational standpoint the psychic planning it, is coming from.

LE has made it clear that they do not want rougue 'searches' being conducted by random individuals- which to me says they believe there is the possibility of evidence being out there that needs to be preserved, and needs to be part of a proper chain of command in the event a criminal case goes to trial.

But still, John Q Public seems to often resist that thought. If I were a detective working this case- this would make me insane. And as K9 SAR, it makes me a tad insane just reading that if anyone has a good hunting or hound dog, they should bring them out to this 'search.'

I feel baby Lisa is being further victimized by this. I'd be curious to hear what LE thinks.

Thoughts, anyone?

IMO, LE-conducted searches are, of course, preferred. They are professionals at searching and also preserving the chain of evidence in the process. But, if LE can no longer continue, it's great when an organized volunteer group with professional management can be secured (like Klaas Kids, Equusearch..) so that safety measures for searchers and clear protocols for reporting findings are in place. If neither of those options is available, I think a purely voluntary community search is better than no search, but hope that whoever organizes it uses processes to make sure they know who is searching, safety measures are clearly explained, reporting protocols are understood. etc..

I remember some of the controversy with the later searches for Hailey Dunn directed by her mother's friends and the apparent frustration to LE. Also, IIRC, Shawn Morgan participated in searches for Breeann Rodriguez and was in fact her killer (and still unclear if he planted the training wheels during a search).

I wonder if anyone in KC contacted Marc Klaas or Tim Miller's organizations?

 

[In da Middle]

Per KCMO property info

Owner Info: CERNER PROPERTIES INC
2800 ROCKCREEK PKWY
KANSAS CITY, MO 64117-

 

[indepmo]

Per KCMO property info

Owner Info: CERNER PROPERTIES INC
2800 ROCKCREEK PKWY
KANSAS CITY, MO 64117-

Thanks, I couldnt find the address

 

[In da Middle]

Thanks, I couldnt find the address

Rockcreek is not the address of this property, just the address of the owner.
The address of this property is
6711 NE BIRMINGHAM RD

 

[~n/t~]

Good grief. Just when I had a little bit of hope that someone with good intentions was going to organize a professional search for Lisa, it has now become the battle of the psychics. Went to her website for updates and lo and behold, there are no updates about the search that was going to take place today but just a whole lot of bickering. :innocent:

:banghead:

 

[Emeralgem]

I'm glad to hear about searches for Lisa but this person in the article also got involved with Haleigh Cummings case. There are many stories about her and this article reads about like when she came upon Haleigh's case. Search her online for background info. That's as polite as I can put it. jmo

And I understand completely...JMHO

 

[Oriah]

Good grief. Just when I had a little bit of hope that someone with good intentions was going to organize a professional search for Lisa, it has now become the battle of the psychics. Went to her website for updates and lo and behold, there are no updates about the search that was going to take place today but just a whole lot of bickering. :innocent:

:banghead:

Yeah. That writing was on the wall, imo.

Maybe there will be updates after 9am.
I plan on watching the scanners.

Hope everyone who turns out to search stays safe, and is responsible.

 

[Emeralgem]

Good grief. Just when I had a little bit of hope that someone with good intentions was going to organize a professional search for Lisa, it has now become the battle of the psychics. Went to her website for updates and lo and behold, there are no updates about the search that was going to take place today but just a whole lot of bickering. :innocent:

:banghead:

Surprise Surprise...NOT..JMHO

 

[Sparklin]

What happened to the Casino search thread??

 

[highflyer]

Good grief. Just when I had a little bit of hope that someone with good intentions was going to organize a professional search for Lisa, it has now become the battle of the psychics. Went to her website for updates and lo and behold, there are no updates about the search that was going to take place today but just a whole lot of bickering. :innocent:

:banghead:

"Psychic" mentioned lack of money several times and no money for Christmas as well as needing a loan. :whistle:

 

[Debthree]

Good grief. Just when I had a little bit of hope that someone with good intentions was going to organize a professional search for Lisa, it has now become the battle of the psychics. Went to her website for updates and lo and behold, there are no updates about the search that was going to take place today but just a whole lot of bickering. :innocent:

:banghead:

I know!

Her website is shockingly bad. It really illustrates to me the danger of an amateur getting carried away with (so called) 'information' and running with it, including involving LE. It seems she trusted an anonymous source for photos and later found out the photos were not what they first seemed and now she's angry. :waitasec: She's the one who made the big fuss out of the photos and she's the one who trusted a total stranger about the location of the area in the photos but it seems she takes zero responsibility herself for circulating false information. If this wasn't a tragic case of a missing infant, it would be funny.

 

[~n/t~]

What happened to the Casino search thread??

If her blog is any indication, I can understand why the mods decided to close the thread.

That'll teach me to get my hopes up. :banghead:

Marc Klaas where are you? Hope someone puts sanity back into serious searches for Lisa. :sigh: