Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #5

[Caylee Advocate]

http://nurmilaw.com/why-sex-crimes/

 

[Hope4More]

It seems she was up for any scam available. I need to slowly read as much as I can involving the BMW, I wonder who towed it to the garage and who paid the tow? Was the car ever released to anyone, and if so.. who?? This is much deeper than a rabbit hole, it's a damned groundhog hole. One question leads to a hundred. LMAO. I wish we knew what she was worried about that involved hurting a lot of people, she was at least smart enough to not put it in writing I suppose. So many unanswered questions, and though some have been "somewhat" figured out, most will never be. :gaah:

The BMW was still in Wes' s garage when TA was killed. Good question about how and when it was towed there. I posted texts about the day of and before/after. One of the texts was from the to TA asking if "his" car was expected, which I'm guessing was about towing it to the garage. Maybe even with the UHaul and dolly....

 

[Hope4More]

http://nurmilaw.com/why-sex-crimes/

OMG. How does that man live with himself?

 

[TexMex]

She didn't pay him for the car after she left and she only brought the topic of BMW...once, IIRC, and then indirectly, reminding TA to call his PPL attorney.

I don't think she had the slightest bit of interest in his car after she destroyed it.

And I don't think it took her any longer than approximately 26 days after she left Mesa to have Ryan Burn sugar plums and new cars and overseas trips dancing in her head. $10k a month Burns, with no "gigantic mortgage" and still 100% snookered.

The contempt she showed on the stand for his car was genuine, I think. It had meant a great deal to TA at one point, reason alone to sneer at it.

And TA? He knew she was never going to pay him for the car. He didn't have the $$ to repair it, it couldn't be sold without being repaired, he had his new car and didn't need the BMW, his plate was overflowingly full of other more important things to take care of, and...he was heartily enjoying the fact she was gone and beginning to see her lies for what they were.

It could be sold. Rebuilt engines run about $1,200-$2,000. My son just blew one up...I've been pricing them My point is selling it for scrap, even $500 is better than making a long term deal with a person who hacks your emails and social media, slashes your tires, sleeps under your Christmas tree, "falls asleep" in your house while you are out on a date.

They argued about it a few times. He scolded her that she needed to start paying.
Also in the g chat. She says he probably thinks if she got paid for bjs she could pay off the car in one shift

That's just two that I recall...who knows how many emails and phone calls they exchanged over all this car drama.

He had to realize that entering a deal with her would bring endless drama. But he was addicted, just like he told her. She cons him into pretty much believing and doing anything by using his own emotions (she, the sociopath, has none) against him via manipulation.

 

[LinasK]

Thank you. The arcs I am talking about occur in 5:26:56, 5:27:28, and 5:28:54. Only those photos and no others. They look like arcing you would expect to see from a stun gun, they only occur across his shoulders, and if it were the result of overhead lights, why not all the photos and why so jaggy???

 

[shelbo]

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[Wing Ding]

Even better. Left in his desk drawer, so it looked like she had mailed the check and he'd opened the envelope and tucked it away in his desk.

Adds some minutes to her staging timeline, and says something about how much she thought went into her brilliant master plan of never being caught, never being convicted, never spending one day in jail for a crime she did not commit.

PS. For the truly intrepid sleuthers still thinking about the BMW. The garage where it was kept for months, unrepaired, is still open and the owner who did that favor for TA still owns the place and will be available to call next week for anyone inclined....

* Actually I would like to know more details about the car from the repair shop's owner (if he knows). Such as...

• Was the car an automatic transmission or a stick shift?

• Was the car front wheel drive or rear wheel drive?

• Was the front or the rear of the car loaded on the tow dolly?

• Was the car's E brake on or off when it was towed?

• Was the car left in gear or was it in neutral when it was towed?

• Was just the car's transmission damaged or was the car's engine also damaged?

Thanks for the heads up on the repair guy, Hope. If you get a name and/or phone number for the shop, please share w/ us.

It's just that the more I think about it, the more I really want to know exactly what in the world she did to fubar the car (regardless of "why").

I have a friend who is a mechanic and I can get info from him on how the mechanical damage is done to the transmission and/or the engine, I just need to first know the details above to give him an idea of what caused the mechanical damage -- if that makes any sense. Anyhoo, thanks again for the info if you get it.

 

[geevee]

What is maddening is the fact...that whether the deal was made before OR after the engine was blown up...Travis entered into a $100/month payout agreement with this sociopath.

Guaranteeing many many more months and likely years of contact with her. He knows Jodi.

She will text/call/email about the repairs, the gas mileage, the dome light burns out, the left turn signal won't work, what size windshield wipers do I buy..should I use this car polish...hey! I put a bumper sticker on the Beamer!...the oil change place recommend this oil, what do you think....ANY excuse to insinuate herself into his life.

Likely manipulated into "helping poor Jodi" but still...why not just sell it on Craigslist if before the engine blew or for scrap if after? Why set yourself up for any future contact with her?

I don't think he really felt like he had a choice at that point, and besides, with his new feelings emerging towards her, he maybe thought 'she broke it, let *her* pay for it, even if it's little by little over a lengthy period, I'm done being Sugar Daddy'.

 

[geevee]

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[TrialWatcher]

I can attest that you can leave a manual transmission in gear and remove the key. I drove a manual Honda Accord for 12 yrs and used to park it in first with the emergency brake on, especially on a hill so it wouldn't go anywhere. It was a safety thing. But everyone knows when you tow an manual it must be in neutral. If it was a 4 wheel drive car it should have been towed on a towbed as well. I will bet Einstein Arias didn't know that. Maybe when the UHaul person checked it was in neutral but Einstein thought the UHaul person was wrong & she put it in first. My big brothers taught me all that.

Common sense gets a round of applause from me.

"But everyone knows when you tow an manual it must be in neutral" - Salsberg7

I thought the above was obvious too. Did 'genius' Arias though? She is malicious enough to have deliberately sabotaged the car. It belonged to Travis until final repayment and title transfer. Yet having the car was a means of maintaining a strand of communication with him as well as giving her transport when she had no other credit options. Her testimony on this shows Juan introducing the car as a means of maintaining communication angle:

[video=youtube;EuDwXwt9UHs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuDwXwt9UHs&list=WL&index=38[/video]

Minutes in - 37.00

To me the car's damage has been satisfactorily covered. This BMW storage is not a mystery, the evidence of the car being damaged has not been disputed. They only question is was it deliberate sabotage or not? That's an opinion call. Was it in Arias' interest to have the car? Yes, from a practical perspective. Was a trophy in her sick mind? A bit like the engagement ring - only legit.

 

[TrialWatcher]

What is maddening is the fact...that whether the deal was made before OR after the engine was blown up...Travis entered into a $100/month payout agreement with this sociopath.

Guaranteeing many many more months and likely years of contact with her. He knows Jodi.

She will text/call/email about the repairs, the gas mileage, the dome light burns out, the left turn signal won't work, what size windshield wipers do I buy..should I use this car polish...hey! I put a bumper sticker on the Beamer!...the oil change place recommend this oil, what do you think....ANY excuse to insinuate herself into his life.

Likely manipulated into "helping poor Jodi" but still...why not just sell it on Craigslist if before the engine blew or for scrap if after? Why set yourself up for any future contact with her?

Good examples of why Travis shouldn't have let her have the car. Maybe he felt there was something in it for both of them? Selling it to her may have seemed like a short term solution and perhaps a way of achieving the $6,000 price? She was going - finally. Perhaps the exhilaration of that made him less cautious? Juan questions to her re continuing communication, I've linked above. Her tone of voice is as annoying here as anything else I've seen.

 

[TrialWatcher]

BBM (...)

It just seems to me that if Travis had been willing to sell her his BMW she would have been gushing like Niagra Falls all over her journal and in texts/chats/etc. about it, the soon to be owner of a freakin' BMW! Yet not one peep from her about it until the car is destroyed. It just doesn't add up for me. Nor does the thought that Travis would think she'd ever be able to afford the payments, considering she was sponging off him the whole time she was in Mesa and moving back to Yreka because she was stone cold broke.

Travis let her take the car. Why else would he give her the car? He knew she was having it transported. What other logical reason could there be for Travis allowing her to take the BMW to Yreka?

 

[TexMex]

BBM

Yeah, like - did Travis even know she was going to have his car towed back to his house, and trusted her to do it correctly so there wouldn't be any damage? It's not like she did this sort of thing every other week (unlike some of her other proclivities). It just seems to me that if Travis had been willing to sell her his BMW she would have been gushing like Niagra Falls all over her journal and in texts/chats/etc. about it, the soon to be owner of a freakin' BMW! Yet not one peep from her about it until the car is destroyed. It just doesn't add up for me. Nor does the thought that Travis would think she'd ever be able to afford the payments, considering she was sponging off him the whole time she was in Mesa and moving back to Yreka because she was stone cold broke.

At the same time if he'd already sold the car to her he wouldn't have cared if she drove it to UHaul and towed it back. It's hers. IMO if he hadn't done that he would have insisted on going with her to UHaul and driving his car back himself

 

[TexMex]

I don't think he really felt like he had a choice at that point, and besides, with his new feelings emerging towards her, he maybe thought 'she broke it, let *her* pay for it, even if it's little by little over a lengthy period, I'm done being Sugar Daddy'.

IMO it's indicative of the overall pattern of the relationship. At this point in March they'd traveled together to and from the convention. Yet at the convention he barely acknowledges her. They return together..,stopping to see things on The List over a few days, staying together. After they get back she takes his diamond ring. He calls her and she finally admits she has it. The same stuff...he wants to be done but then travels with her and then she can even manipulate him into believing she had some good reason for taking an expensive ring without asking him.
I have no trouble believing he'd sell her his driveable BMW on generous terms, she's leaving and he still has feelings for her and possibly guilt for continuing the relationship even though he knows they will never marry and he's seriously pursuing Mimi and trying to get Lisa back. She uses his feelings against him as is the norm for borderline psychotics.

 

[Hope4More]

* Actually I would like to know more details about the car from the repair shop's owner (if he knows). Such as...

• Was the car an automatic transmission or a stick shift?

• Was the car front wheel drive or rear wheel drive?

• Was the front or the rear of the car loaded on the tow dolly?

• Was the car's E brake on or off when it was towed?

• Was the car left in gear or was it in neutral when it was towed?

• Was just the car's transmission damaged or was the car's engine also damaged?

Thanks for the heads up on the repair guy, Hope. If you get a name and/or phone number for the shop, please share w/ us.

It's just that the more I think about it, the more I really want to know exactly what in the world she did to fubar the car (regardless of "why").

I have a friend who is a mechanic and I can get info from him on how the mechanical damage is done to the transmission and/or the engine, I just need to first know the details above to give him an idea of what caused the mechanical damage -- if that makes any sense. Anyhoo, thanks again for the info if you get it.

Not sure if it's OK to post that info. But...it's very easy to find. The auto shop is in the same location as it was in 2008 (on Main St in Mesa). Google is your friend.

Not gonna call myself....explored the BMW gopher hole and have gone back to what I was sleuthing and time-lining. I'm grateful for the diversion, though, because it's given me more insight into the destruction she was wreaking on her way out of Mesa.

 

[Hope4More]

At the same time if he'd already sold the car to her he wouldn't have cared if she drove it to UHaul and towed it back. It's hers. IMO if he hadn't done that he would have insisted on going with her to UHaul and driving his car back himself

He was extremely busy that day, as you know from having access to the texts (yay!). I'm not sure he was even home in the AM or early afternoon...can't remember if he was doing a Super Saturday or not.

There's nothing to say he even knew she had the BMW rather than her own car. Who knows? No more car- trading text bread crumb trails after March 6.

Or....she'd made a big show of cleaning out the Infiniti over at his house the day before. Maybe he thought she'd "returned it to the bank" and just needed the BMW to get to UHaul. Who knows.

 

[Hope4More]

IMO it's indicative of the overall pattern of the relationship. At this point in March they'd traveled together to and from the convention. Yet at the convention he barely acknowledges her. They return together..,stopping to see things on The List over a few days, staying together. After they get back she takes his diamond ring. He calls her and she finally admits she has it. The same stuff...he wants to be done but then travels with her and then she can even manipulate him into believing she had some good reason for taking an expensive ring without asking him.
I have no trouble believing he'd sell her his driveable BMW on generous terms, she's leaving and he still has feelings for her and possibly guilt for continuing the relationship even though he knows they will never marry and he's seriously pursuing Mimi and trying to get Lisa back. She uses his feelings against him as is the norm for borderline psychotics.

Travis took her to the OKC convention because he'd prepaid for her tickets many months beforehand. He had no interest in travelling alone with her or doing anything special together with her on that trip. In fact, what he wanted was to have Mimi accompany him as part of a travelling caravan.

The 's blah blah about that big fancy special roadtrip was her typical delusional kind of tale beforehand and afterwards.

The reality of the trip is better expressed by her theft of ring and journal and the "misplacing" of other things (gas lighting) the day after their return.

And...there's no way to know how he felt about her taking the ring. He told her he wasn't mad. Doesn't mean he wasn't, doesn't mean he believed her BS story whenever it was she spat out her lies.

Personally I think he was holding his breath and counting the frikking minutes until she left town. Taking a pillow out to her in the UHaul rather than letting her sleep on his couch sums up pretty well how he was feeling about her. That and the double bird he flipped her as she drove away....

 

[TexMex]

He was extremely busy that day, as you know from having access to the texts (yay!). I'm not sure he was even home in the AM or early afternoon...can't remember if he was doing a Super Saturday or not.

There's nothing to say he even knew she had the BMW rather than her own car. Who knows? No more car- trading text bread crumb trails after March 6.

Or....she'd made a big show of cleaning out the Infiniti over at his house the day before. Maybe he thought she'd "returned it to the bank" and just needed the BMW to get to UHaul. Who knows.

Or...he'd already agreed to sell her the BMW. Therefore he figured, it's hers. Vaya con Dios.

If it's still his BMW, with no agreement to sell in place, IMO he'd rather her leave the car there and it could be picked up later than hope she could figure out how to tow it.

I wouldn't let my 20something daughter hook up my car to tow, for example. If I was unavailable to help her she'd leave the car there, take the UHaul, then we'd pick the car up later. Then I'd help her make sure it was on the truck in a manner safe for her to drive with and safe for the car.

 

[TexMex]

Travis took her to the OKC convention because he'd prepaid for her tickets many months beforehand. He had no interest in travelling alone with her or doing anything special together with her on that trip. In fact, what he wanted was to have Mimi accompany him as part of a travelling caravan.

The 's blah blah about that big fancy special roadtrip was her typical delusional kind of tale beforehand and afterwards.

The reality of the trip is better expressed by her theft of ring and journal and the "misplacing" of other things (gas lighting) the day after their return.

Yes. He had tickets. But he did not have to travel one mile with her. Yet he did. Stopping at places on the List, taking pics, sharing hotel rooms on the road. #sex

She knew people she could ride with. He could have arranged for her a ride or insisted she make other arrangements so as to not send any mixed signals to Jodi or to his friends. But he didn't. He freely chose to travel with her. No doubt she tempted him about the "benefits" of taking her along on the road and played up the "poor Jodi needs a ride" angle but he could have stood strong and said, Here's your ticket, see you there. The addiction was strong.

 

[Hope4More]

Or...he'd already agreed to sell her the BMW. Therefore he figured, it's hers. Vaya con Dios.

If it's still his BMW, with no agreement to sell in place, IMO he'd rather her leave the car there and it could be picked up later than hope she could figure out how to tow it.

I wouldn't let my 20something daughter hook up my car to tow, for example. If I was unavailable to help her she'd leave the car there, take the UHaul, then we'd pick the car up later. Then I'd help her make sure it was on the truck in a manner safe for her to drive with and safe for the car.

Ack. Mister, I think you're on more solid ground arguing that she didn't blow it up on purpose (a matter of opinion, can't be known for sure) than maintaining he sold it to her beforehand (far less subjective evidence indicates he did not).

In any case, didn't want you to think I was ignoring you by scrolling on by your reply to my post, but head's up, will zippity do fly by any more BMW stuff.

I'm saving my strength for disagreeing with you about the May16-26 timeline with resequenced chat I'm toiling away to complete.

The very last of my timelines, at last. Well, except for pulling them altogether into the mother of all TA-JA timelines.

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