Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #5

[Hope4More]

I think that is the short and sweet version of how the BMW saga ended up being. Literally. All in all.

Except....it was broken and never bought, and that insurance scam possibility would explain a thing or two.

 

[geevee]

This entire post makes so much sense that I want to agree with it 100 percent, but then my mind goes to how much she wanted Travis...

Still, I too am not convinced Killer ruined the car on purpose. She may have indeed--she certainly is mean enough--but it could just as easily have been accidental. She is materialistic. She likes things. She might not be able to destroy things as easily as she can people.

My problem with her car story is, she says she put the car in 1st gear, took the key out, closed the door and started driving the UHaul - you can't take the key out of an ignition when it's in gear, so everything she says about what happened (like everything else she says about nearly any other subject) is completely suspect.

 

[Hope4More]

Hope,
What's a staging timeline?

Sorry. My doofus way of saying -- the time it took her to stage the scene post-murder.

Though, she could have slipped the check into his desk beforehand.

Question is, why bother to plant the check of it wasn't to stake ownership of the BMW? There was no other paper trail that indicated she had any claim to the BMW. Unless.....

 

[geevee]

Geevee..I've been rereading through BK's trial logs for PP2 (comprehensive notes for each day of trial).

The Helio as issue came up at the end of day 1, and again on day 2.

JM claimed he had agreed that the recording was authentic, but had never stipulated to the DT's claim it had been "stolen." Nurmi...blah blah not our fault you never chose to examine it..blah blah.

Of interest? JM then says something like...."we need to hear the "whole " thing before.....". (As in, all segments of the tape? Or....maybe this was about the May 2 text to herself?)

(BK said it was the discussion was difficult to follow because context was omitted).

Also....In response to a juror's question Melendez said he didn't know whether or not the the Helio recording was made on an "laptop application."

Thanks Hope, I so have to get back to the PP2 videos, I really appreciate you posting about that, would love to know what was on the other 2 clips that weren't included 'by agreement', seems like JM may have thought they'd be interesting to the jury to hear. I do recall Nurm throwing a huge fit over somethign JM said but can't recall if it was about the Helio or something else, I ought to backtrack before I pick up where I left off. Thanks again.

 

[geevee]

Tsk tsk....no volunteers for sleuthing the May 26 chat sequence?

illowfight2:


Oh well, no need because the mystery is solved and the chat corrected.

:fireworks::fireworks2:


:happydance:

It is? Will it be posted soon?

P.S. Yay! And thanks.

 

[geevee]

Yeppers. Off to look for that darned check.

I got yer back with the check.

 

[Wing Ding]

My problem with her car story is, she says she put the car in 1st gear, took the key out, closed the door and started driving the UHaul - you can't take the key out of an ignition when it's in gear, so everything she says about what happened (like everything else she says about nearly any other subject) is completely suspect.

I don't know why I always assumed Travis' BMW was an automatic transmission, but I did. Until just now. But on a car that is a stick shift transmission like Travis' BMW, I think as long as the car's engine is "off", you can leave the car in any gear you want with or without the key having to be in the ignition switch. Just push the clutch pedal in, shut the car off in whatever gear the car is in, let the clutch pedal back out, take the key out of the ignition switch, exit the car, shut the door behind you and walk away.

So Jodi leaving the BMW in 1st gear and walking away... yeah, she can do that. I do that every day in my car. Of course if I were going to tow my car behind a U-Haul truck, I'd be sure to push the clutch pedal in, put the stick in neutral and then take the E brake off before towing. Two things that Jodi apparently didn't think of doing. Or two things she accidentally on purpose elected not to do.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I got yer back with the check.

View attachment 90286

OMG, I have looked and looked for over an hour. :loveyou: I thought I had saved it, but nope. So she had started the plan with the car BS before May 25 2008, by faking a check she knew could never be cashed. She left that check the day of the murder... Premeditation 101. She was slick, just not slick enough for smart people. Thanks. Oh, now I have a gift for whomever wants to read how she got her nasty mitts on his texts.


http://ibojmupalshgrwsj.ga/check-my-text-messages-jodi-arias-and-travis-alexander/

 

[Hope4More]

Question about Google IM's. Is there a limit/a maximum number of lines that can appear on a single IM?

 

[Hope4More]

OMG, I have looked and looked for over an hour. :loveyou: I thought I had saved it, but nope. So she had started the plan with the car BS before May 25 2008, by faking a check she knew could never be cashed. She left that check the day of the murder... Premeditation 101. She was slick, just not slick enough for smart people. Thanks. Oh, now I have a gift for whomever wants to read how she got her nasty mitts on his texts.


http://ibojmupalshgrwsj.ga/check-my-text-messages-jodi-arias-and-travis-alexander/

But about her pre- planning an insurance scam.

There's an attorney i n my house. . It isn't likely she planned ahead of time to destroy the BMW to scam him out of repair money. Or...if she did, it was a really stupid plan, same thing after the fact.

The only way she could divert a pay out to herself would be if her name was on the title, even as a co-owner, and it wasn't, or she would have presented that to TA's executor to claim the car.

TA's insurance wouldn't have covered the damage because he was neither driving the car nor renting the UHaul. Her insurance (presuming she had any) wouldn't cover the damage unless she owned the car. UHaul wouldn't cover the damage no matter what, even if she spent extra $$ to get coverage for the car being towed; coverage doesn't extend to negligence.

Her only chance was to prove UHaul was negligent somehow, which no doubt explains her story--they closed the door without looking and told me I was good to go.

BTW...when would that have been? The car couldn't have been on the dolly if she was driving it up to a checkpoint, and if it wasn't on the dolly why exactly would a UHaul employee be checking the car?

 

[peedoffinny]

Even better. Left in his desk drawer, so it looked like she had mailed the check and he'd opened the envelope and tucked it away in his desk.

Adds some minutes to her staging timeline, and says something about how much she thought went into her brilliant master plan of never being caught, never being convicted, never spending one day in jail for a crime she did not commit.

PS. For the truly intrepid sleuthers still thinking about the BMW. The garage where it was kept for months, unrepaired, is still open and the owner who did that favor for TA still owns the place (modsnip).

I wonder if it was ever checked for Travis's fingerprints? I guess even if his prints were on it,it doesn't mean much. She may have given him that check as an excuse for showing up.

 

[geevee]

But about her pre- planning an insurance scam.

There's an attorney i n my house. . It isn't likely she planned ahead of time to destroy the BMW to scam him out of repair money. Or...if she did, it was a really stupid plan, same thing after the fact.

The only way she could divert a pay out to herself would be if her name was on the title, even as a co-owner, and it wasn't, or she would have presented that to TA's executor to claim the car.

TA's insurance wouldn't have covered the damage because he was neither driving the car nor renting the UHaul. Her insurance (presuming she had any) wouldn't cover the damage unless she owned the car. UHaul wouldn't cover the damage no matter what, even if she spent extra $$ to get coverage for the car being towed; coverage doesn't extend to negligence.

Her only chance was to prove UHaul was negligent somehow, which no doubt explains her story--they closed the door without looking and told me I was good to go.

BTW...when would that have been? The car couldn't have been on the dolly if she was driving it up to a checkpoint, and if it wasn't on the dolly why exactly would a UHaul employee be checking the car?

As usual, the lying liar gives herself away with way too many details. I was watching a 48 Hrs. or Dateline show this weekend with a twin of JA's, couldn't believe a single word out of her mouth and yeah, she was involved in a murder as well.

 

[geevee]

I don't know why I always assumed Travis' BMW was an automatic transmission, but I did. Until just now. But on a car that is a stick shift transmission like Travis' BMW, I think as long as the car's engine is "off", you can leave the car in any gear you want with or without the key having to be in the ignition switch. Just push the clutch pedal in, shut the car off in whatever gear the car is in, let the clutch pedal back out, take the key out of the ignition switch, exit the car, shut the door behind you and walk away.

So Jodi leaving the BMW in 1st gear and walking away... yeah, she can do that. I do that every day in my car. Of course if I were going to tow my car behind a U-Haul truck, I'd be sure to push the clutch pedal in, put the stick in neutral and then take the E brake off before towing. Two things that Jodi apparently didn't think of doing. Or two things she accidentally on purpose elected not to do.

I thought it was ascertained a couple weeks ago that a manual transmission was like an auto in that you couldn't take the key out if it was in gear (I'd asked because I was only familiar with not being able to with automatics). Thanks for the 1st person knowledge, WingDing.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

But about her pre- planning an insurance scam.

There's an attorney i n my house. . It isn't likely she planned ahead of time to destroy the BMW to scam him out of repair money. Or...if she did, it was a really stupid plan, same thing after the fact.

The only way she could divert a pay out to herself would be if her name was on the title, even as a co-owner, and it wasn't, or she would have presented that to TA's executor to claim the car.

TA's insurance wouldn't have covered the damage because he was neither driving the car nor renting the UHaul. Her insurance (presuming she had any) wouldn't cover the damage unless she owned the car. UHaul wouldn't cover the damage no matter what, even if she spent extra $$ to get coverage for the car being towed; coverage doesn't extend to negligence.

Her only chance was to prove UHaul was negligent somehow, which no doubt explains her story--they closed the door without looking and told me I was good to go.

BTW...when would that have been? The car couldn't have been on the dolly if she was driving it up to a checkpoint, and if it wasn't on the dolly why exactly would a UHaul employee be checking the car?

It seems she was up for any scam available. I need to slowly read as much as I can involving the BMW, I wonder who towed it to the garage and who paid the tow? Was the car ever released to anyone, and if so.. who?? This is much deeper than a rabbit hole, it's a damned groundhog hole. One question leads to a hundred. LMAO. I wish we knew what she was worried about that involved hurting a lot of people, she was at least smart enough to not put it in writing I suppose. So many unanswered questions, and though some have been "somewhat" figured out, most will never be. :gaah:

 

[salberg7]

I can attest that you can leave a manual transmission in gear and remove the key. I drove a manual Honda Accord for 12 yrs and used to park it in first with the emergency brake on, especially on a hill so it wouldn't go anywhere. It was a safety thing. But everyone knows when you tow an manual it must be in neutral. If it was a 4 wheel drive car it should have been towed on a towbed as well. I will bet Einstein Arias didn't know that. Maybe when the UHaul person checked it was in neutral but Einstein thought the UHaul person was wrong & she put it in first. My big brothers taught me all that.

 

[RickshawFan]

Whenever I see that face photo, I always wonder how she was able to take such well focused close-up picture just moments before stabbing him. Even if you are a psycho, wouldn't the thought of imminent murder make you shake and shiver like a Chihuahua?

This is why I began to think she was recording a video of killing him. The whole time. Those pictures came from taking still photos while taking a video and/or afterwards from the video. Just maybe.

Also contributing to my conjecture is that the 'foot' photo was taken upside down. The shape of T's Sony camera wouldn't allow shutter button to be pushed when it is upside down. I think the camera continued to record after it fell to the floor. And the killer took that foot photo from the video, while she was uploading to her laptop. That is why she 'got' the foot picture right away during interrogation.

Later, photos survived even after deletion, but the video didn't in the washing machine.

In the cross, IIRC, JM calls attention to the final shower photo and how it had to be focused before it was taken, because the photos is "in focus". It's the one where he's cowering in the shower, right? Curled up with his back to Jodi, like he did when getting beaten as a kid? Jodi took a photo of him being terrorized by her, and still got it in focus. Unreal.

 

[geevee]

It seems she was up for any scam available. I need to slowly read as much as I can involving the BMW, I wonder who towed it to the garage and who paid the tow? Was the car ever released to anyone, and if so.. who?? This is much deeper than a rabbit hole, it's a damned groundhog hole. One question leads to a hundred. LMAO. I wish we knew what she was worried about that involved hurting a lot of people, she was at least smart enough to not put it in writing I suppose. So many unanswered questions, and though some have been "somewhat" figured out, most will never be. :gaah:

BBM

Yeah, like - did Travis even know she was going to have his car towed back to his house, and trusted her to do it correctly so there wouldn't be any damage? It's not like she did this sort of thing every other week (unlike some of her other proclivities). It just seems to me that if Travis had been willing to sell her his BMW she would have been gushing like Niagra Falls all over her journal and in texts/chats/etc. about it, the soon to be owner of a freakin' BMW! Yet not one peep from her about it until the car is destroyed. It just doesn't add up for me. Nor does the thought that Travis would think she'd ever be able to afford the payments, considering she was sponging off him the whole time she was in Mesa and moving back to Yreka because she was stone cold broke.

 

[TexMex]

BBM

Yeah, like - did Travis even know she was going to have his car towed back to his house, and trusted her to do it correctly so there wouldn't be any damage? It's not like she did this sort of thing every other week (unlike some of her other proclivities). It just seems to me that if Travis had been willing to sell her his BMW she would have been gushing like Niagra Falls all over her journal and in texts/chats/etc. about it, the soon to be owner of a freakin' BMW! Yet not one peep from her about it until the car is destroyed. It just doesn't add up for me. Nor does the thought that Travis would think she'd ever be able to afford the payments, considering she was sponging off him the whole time she was in Mesa and moving back to Yreka because she was stone cold broke.

What is maddening is the fact...that whether the deal was made before OR after the engine was blown up...Travis entered into a $100/month payout agreement with this sociopath.

Guaranteeing many many more months and likely years of contact with her. He knows Jodi.

She will text/call/email about the repairs, the gas mileage, the dome light burns out, the left turn signal won't work, what size windshield wipers do I buy..should I use this car polish...hey! I put a bumper sticker on the Beamer!...the oil change place recommend this oil, what do you think....ANY excuse to insinuate herself into his life.

Likely manipulated into "helping poor Jodi" but still...why not just sell it on Craigslist if before the engine blew or for scrap if after? Why set yourself up for any future contact with her?

 

[Hope4More]

BBM

Yeah, like - did Travis even know she was going to have his car towed back to his house, and trusted her to do it correctly so there wouldn't be any damage? It's not like she did this sort of thing every other week (unlike some of her other proclivities). It just seems to me that if Travis had been willing to sell her his BMW she would have been gushing like Niagra Falls all over her journal and in texts/chats/etc. about it, the soon to be owner of a freakin' BMW! Yet not one peep from her about it until the car is destroyed. It just doesn't add up for me. Nor does the thought that Travis would think she'd ever be able to afford the payments, considering she was sponging off him the whole time she was in Mesa and moving back to Yreka because she was stone cold broke.

The only shred of "evidence" supporting her claim she bought the BWI from Travis BEFORE she destroyed it? Her word. That's it.

No contract, her claim denied by TA's executor BEFORE she was arrested, text by Travis himself saying he hadn't sold it to her, and a whole mountain of circumstancial evidence saying she made the sale lie up AFTER she destroyed the BMW.

Frankly....I can't imagine how the lying liar's lies about the BMW can be seen as the slightest bit credible.

 

[Hope4More]

What is maddening is the fact...that whether the deal was made before OR after the engine was blown up...Travis entered into a $100/month payout agreement with this sociopath.

Guaranteeing many many more months and likely years of contact with her. He knows Jodi.

She will text/call/email about the repairs, the gas mileage, the dome light burns out, the left turn signal won't work, what size windshield wipers do I buy..should I use this car polish...hey! I put a bumper sticker on the Beamer!...the oil change place recommend this oil, what do you think....ANY excuse to insinuate herself into his life.

Likely manipulated into "helping poor Jodi" but still...why not just sell it on Craigslist if before the engine blew or for scrap if after? Why set yourself up for any future contact with her?

She didn't pay him for the car after she left and she only brought the topic of BMW...once, IIRC, and then indirectly, reminding TA to call his PPL attorney.

I don't think she had the slightest bit of interest in his car after she destroyed it.

And I don't think it took her any longer than approximately 26 days after she left Mesa to have Ryan Burn sugar plums and new cars and overseas trips dancing in her head. $10k a month Burns, with no "gigantic mortgage" and still 100% snookered.

The contempt she showed on the stand for his car was genuine, I think. It had meant a great deal to TA at one point, reason alone to sneer at it.

And TA? He knew she was never going to pay him for the car. He didn't have the $$ to repair it, it couldn't be sold without being repaired, he had his new car and didn't need the BMW, his plate was overflowingly full of other more important things to take care of, and...he was heartily enjoying the fact she was gone and beginning to see her lies for what they were.