Police tapes cont. (transcripts of all the tapes are available in the timeline thread).
02:41
DF: I know if you would have never met him he probably would still be alive.
02:46
JA: That’s true.
02:47
DF: Yeah. That’s because you killed him.
02:49
JA: No!!!
02:49
DF: Jodi, you did!
02:50
JA: I did not!
03:27
JA: Well, so I’m as good as done, right? With that evidence…
03:33
DF: Yeah…
03:54
DF: What I want to do, is I want to sit here with you, and I want to go over why you visited him that day, what you guys talked about, what caused you to get so angry and the details on what happened, and it’s something that you probably don’t want to remember but it’s something that I need, because for me to finish a case completely, I need to know not just the details but what was going through your mind, because I need to present that as a full picture, because if I don’t, I don’t feel that I’ve completed my job, and my job is to speak for him, not anybody else. My job isn’t to speak for you. My job isn’t to speak for his family. It’s to speak for Travis, and I know something horrible happened that day. Absolutely horrible! Something that could have been avoided! Whether something was planned, I don’t know. Whether you planned it or whether it accidentally happened or if something got out of hand, I… I don’t know. All I can do is speculate, and I want to believe that you’re not this cold hearted person that could just go out and do something like this to somebody. I want to believe that, like a lot of people, things got out of control and before you knew it, it was too late. That’s what I want to believe, and that’s truly from my heart…because I sit here, and I’ve talked to you, and I’m talking to you now, and all those conversations we had on the phone, and I don’t see a cold hearted murderer like you would see on TV or that I’ve seen before sit across from me. That’s not what I see in you, and I’m going to call it begging…because I’m begging you to at least come clean and tell me why, because I don’t want to leave here today not knowing because it’s all gonna’ be forever.
06:22
JA: I wish that I had answers. I’m sorry. I…
06:32
DF: You need to just let the answers come out.
06:36
JA: There’s just no reason. There’s just no reason.
06:40
DF: There’s no good reason why this happened. There’s never a good reason why somebody dies like this.
06:51
JA: How many times was Travis stabbed?
(Jodi is crying)
06:56
DF: More than I want to remember,
07:03
DF: and I’m not going to sit here and show you pictures of him after the fact. I don’t do that. That’s not how I work. (Jodi crying) That is not for me to do. But eventually those photos will come out.
08:37
JA: I know that he’s in a good place, and I know that he’s fine. I know that he’s doing great, but what about all of his friends…all of his family that are here and they’re just going through all this, and I know that it’s temporary, but it’s so very much right now. (Jodi crying). There’s just no reason I would ever want to hurt him.
09:12
DF: Well, whether you wanted to is…is a different question.
Transcript of Video 5 continued...
09:16
DF: I don’t think you wanted to. I really don’t think you wanted to, but this speaks for itself. It speaks for itself, Jodi. It goes beyond speculation. This is way beyond speculation. This is downright proof, but there’s no back story to it. All I know is that I need a story or else it’s just cold. It’s so cold. You don’t look like the person who would plan something like this. You’re…you’re just not that person. I can believe other things but not that, but without the truth I can’t paint another picture, and it’s going to be up to the prosecutor to paint that picture, and if you want that prosecutor, and I’ve met him, and you don’t want him painting that picture, because he is good at what he does. I’ve worked with him before, and you allow him to paint that picture for you -- it’s not going to be good.
10:48
JA: It looks like you don’t really uhh… need anything…it does look like, I mean…it looks like you don’t even need a good prosecutor anyway…so, I mean…
10:57
DF: You’re right.
11:48
JA: He has done nothing but, I mean except for some mean words that he said,
11:52
DF: I know…
11:53
JA: people have said worse to me
11:53
DF: Right
11:54
JA: …or just as bad. Except for that, he has never…he has helped me. He has given me money. He was selling me his car on the…
12:01
DF: Then why?
12:06
JA: There’s no reason why…
12:17
JA: There’s just no reason…
12:17
DF: Well, I have more work to do.
14:10
DF: I’ve already filed these charges. It went to a Grand Jury and the Grand Jury indicted you.
14:17
JA: So it’s all public now?
14:19
DF: It’s public record.
14:21
JA: So, does everyone know?
14:28
JA: But it’s going to be on the news tonight?
14:31
DF: We don’t report anything to the news.
14:34
JA: Has his family called today?
14:35
DF: No.
14:37
DF: They don’t even know that I’m talking to you.
14:40
JA: But they’ve been calling every day?
14:39
DF: Every day.
15:49
JA: (Jodi crying) Oh, this is a really trivial question and it’s going to reveal how shallow I am, but before they book me, can I clean myself up a little bit?
End of tape 5. She is charged, booked, jailed. She knows from the beginning of interrogation the next day that LE has nude photos of her as well as the shower and accidental pics. She has seen just one photo of herself, on the bed, in braids, but the photo has been partially covered up- including the date and time stamp?
After arrest, tape 6.
JA: The reason I asked was because I just feel like it might help me piece some things together. Umm…and this is more of a selfish reason because I think it might give me some sense of closure. I know it’s kind of morbid. I don’t even think I really deserve closure. His family does, but I wasn’t able to visit the funeral home and it’s just, and I don’t know, that’s just why…mostly…
16:18
DF: What is it that you want to know about the photos? Do you want to see the room? Do you want to see the bathroom or do you want to see him or is it the photos before it happened that you want to see?
16:33
JA: I think the photos of after everything.
16:55
JA: Are there…Is there any that you can?
16:59
DF: No, I can’t do that.
17:09
JA: (unintelligible) like before, I mean, I’ve seen plenty of those kinds of photos.
17:15
DF: If you want I can describe stuff for you,
17:19
JA: Okay.
……He wasn’t the same person, so that’s why I don’t want to show you photos.
18:16
JA: What about photos of just the room with him not in it? I don’t know. I guess it doesn’t matter.
18:24
DF: I don’t have them with me here, but as soon as I get a hold of them. Another detective has them right now.
18:37
DF: What is it that you can tell me about that day?
18:47
JA: There’s really not much. Things are kind of blurry.
18:52
DF: Was he expecting you to show up that day?
18:56
JA: He wanted me to come.
18:59
DF: But you didn’t want to?
19:00
JA: I told him I was going to Utah.
19:06
DF: Why did you decide to go then?
19:06
(Jodi takes a drink – plays with bottle)
19:19
JA: I didn’t really, I was going to Utah.
00:26
DF: Do you want to talk about what happened that day? I’ve got the images in my head, and I can explain whatever it is you want about what I saw when I went there. What I can’t do is…I can’t show you pictures.
00:57
DF: What time did you get there that day?
01:08
DF: The pictures that I have, the first ones show you there at about 1:45 or so. Was it soon before that, or had you been there for awhile already?
01:28
DF: I know he has roommates are off of work during that time and don’t come home until about 6:30 or 7:00, and they don’t even talk to him really.
DF: It just seems like they just kinda’ rent rooms. They don’t really socialize and kinda’ stick to themselves, especially his new roommate.
01:56
JA: Who is that?
02:00
DF: Did you know his new roommate?
02:04
JA: I only knew Zach was there.
02:05
DF: Zach and Enrique was the other one.
02:08
JA: I think I saw Enrique at his funeral services, or I mean his memorial services, but I didn’t meet him or I didn’t know him.
07:42
DF: Why did you go there that day, Jodi? Why did you show up that morning?
07:51
(Jodi wipes her nose and eyes with her toilet paper)
07:57
DF: I have questions, too. Were you gonna’ try to convince him not to go to Mexico or were you gonna’…
08:04
JA: Oh, no! (Sounds like a half cry half laugh exclamation)
08:05
DF: Try to convince him to go on a trip with you, or…
08:09
JA: No, he would never not go to Mexico. I would never want him to not go. He was going to see Chichen Itza. It’s on the list of 1,000 places.
08:37
DF: So why were you there that day? Please tell me. Did you just miss him?
Did he call you? Did he miss you? What was it?
(Silence)
08:59
DF: The only other explanation that I can think of is that you went there for one purpose, and that’s to hurt him. If that’s the case and that’s the truth then that’s what you need to say.
(Silence)
09:23
DF: If you want me to call and tell his family that you’re sorry and that you apologize for what happened, I can do that, whatever you want. This is your time right now. I flew up here for a lot of different reasons, and of them, the main reason was to sit down with you here to talk to you about what happened. I did it yesterday, and now I’m here today, but the time is limited.
10:12
JA: There’s so many things that I want to say.
DF: Was it a last minute change from your trip to come down, go down to Arizona? I bet you were going through your head, should I just go or should I just keep going to Utah.
(Jodi stares off)
10:50
DF: It’s only an additional 300 miles from where you were, so…
(Silence)
16:09
DF: Look at me. Please. They want to know. Was somebody else there with you?
16:31
JA: I’m just trying to think.
16:49
JA: What would happen to me today, and from here on out, if I just told you every single detail right now and I gave you a confession?”
23:27
DF: I don’t want to push you. It’s your own free will. That’s one thing we have is our own free will.
(Silence)
24:08
JA: It’s kind of…it’s all blurry. It really is blurry.
24:29
DF: What went through your mind after it happened?
24:35
JA: (Whispers) Fear.
24:37
DF: A lot of fear? What did you think when you were driving away.
24:44
JA: (Whispers) I was scared.
25:46
DF: You had to. Did you tell anybody what had happened? That must have been hard.
26:10
JA: It’s all a blur. Can I please see those photos?
26:13
DF: As soon as they get back. Those detectives went to Reading to go pick up the rental car that you had that day and they took the photos.
26:48
DF: Is that what was going through your head when you left? What did I leave behind? What did I touch?
26:55
JA: No.
26:57
DF: What was going through your head? (Unintelligible)
27:15
JA: A little bit of a survival instinct but mostly just fear.
27:28
DF: Were you worried that his roommates would get home soon?
27:38
DF: You didn’t think about that?
27:49
DF: That’s the first thing I was thinking about was, when she left here, she barely missed his roommates, or maybe his roommates came home and just didn’t hear her.
28:07
JA: Did they hear anybody at all in the house?
28:10
DF: No. They saw things which were unusual.
28:13
JA: Like what?
28:16
DF: They saw his CTR ring and his watch on the kitchen counter and they thought that was odd. He never leaves town without those.
28:23
JA: No, He always leaves those there unless he’s sleeping then he takes those things and puts them on.
28:29
DF: There were clues here and there but they just went on with their day like nothing had happened without even asking questions. They knew that he was going on a trip but they didn’t know what day.
28:42
29:22
JA: Travis didn’t always bond with his roommates. He did with some. He bonded with Aaron, even though he had a low tolerance (unintelligible). He bonded pretty well with his friend Josh (unintelligible) back in California now.
29:34
DF: He wasn’t too close with Zach or Enrique.
29:37
JA: No, or his previous roommates. I don’t know…
29:40
DF: It seemed to have been just people who rent rooms out from him there. They don’t become friends. They have their own lifestyles and they go on.
29:52
JA: Yeah, his rules were LDS standards (unintelligible as music begins to end video)
END OF VIDEO #12
00:25
DF: What time did you leave there that day?
00:35
JA: Uhh…
(Silence)
00:52
DF: You don’t remember? Just trying to drive and get as much distance as you could?
01:04
JA: Umm…
01:08
DF: How long were you in the house after it happened? I know you tried to clean yourself up and clean up what you could.
01:22
JA: Huh uh…I wasn’t…
01:23
DF: It didn’t take too long, but you did. Why did you throw the camera in the washing machine? We found blood in the downstairs bathroom where somebody had tried to wash their hands. There’s blood on the outside of the washing machine. There’s little things that give us clues to what you were doing afterwards? Do you remember those things?
01:59
JA: Huh uh…No.
02:00
DF: You remember some though. What was your intention going there that day?
(Silence)
02:24
DF: What was the purpose of the visit, the same as before?
(Silence)
02:40
JA: I’m just starting to remember. I’m just trying to remember that week, that whole week, and the week prior had a lot to do with it… the weekend or Friday night prior, I think.
02:51
DF: Did you have plans on going down there or, I know you said he had called and wanted you to come down. At what point did you decide, Okay, I’m going?
03:02
JA: He always was like, I don’t want to say meddling, but he was always like more concerned than I felt he needed to be about my finances, and he’s like, “Well, how can you make a road trip when you’re this that and that,” you know..
03:20
DF: Well, he expected everybody to be like he is.
03:23
JA: (Laughs). He did. He really did.
03:27
DF: He expected that, Hey, if you go on a road trip you better be thinking about this and that and…
03:32
JA: There were so many times that I just threw my responsibilities to the wind and went on road trips with him, because I am a little irresponsible when it comes to that. It’s not just because it was with him, it was because it was the traveling, and umm… you know…
03:45
DF: When he leave, he usually makes sure everything is planned out and...
03:48
JA: and that he has enough money for it (laughs).
03:52
DF: And you just kind of take off sometimes.
03:54
JA: Yeah, I guess…
03:55
DF: You’re a very, very free spirit
03:58
JA: and it’s not…
04:35
DF: When did you go decide to go visit him? At what point? Were you already on the road or was it from here? Did you already know you were going to visit him when you left here?
04:49
JA: Umm…
(Puts head in hands – bends head)
04:57
JA: Umm…
04:58
DF: I’ve done that before. Sometimes I just leave and, you know what, I’m going to go visit this person while I’m on the way.
05:18
JA: (Unintelligible. Jodi is fidgety and mumbles something…
05:32
JA: Umm…you know…
05:38
JA: Go ahead.
05:39
DF: Did you see any of his roommate’s cars out in the driveway when you left? That part just bothers me, because it was so close to the time when one of the roommates came home, and I just…I’m thinking maybe you were still in the house when he was there.
05:58
JA: No. Umm…No, I was in the driveway.
06:03
DF: You were in the driveway? They would have seen the car then, right?
06:06
JA: Yeah. I know my space was always right behind Travis’ car and he parked in the… he has a 3-car garage and he took the middle space, and one of his roommates…
06:13
DF: The Prius?
06:14
JA: Yeah, the Prius or his BMW before that, and then there was like a smaller, little space but it was enough for a car, but it was always jammed with junk from his roommates.
06:23
DF: Yeah, I saw that.
06:24
JA: He was very much … he didn’t save stuff, you know. He had so much storage space. He was so generous whenever he let me store all my stuff there, because I went from a house to a room and so I had artwork, some of my paint, and art supplies, photos, books and books and books and books --so many books. Some of them weren’t even mine. They belonged to my friend, Matt. I was renting that car yesterday because I was taking a trip to Monterey and umm…
06:57
DF: To go visit Matt?
05:39
DF: Did you see any of his roommate’s cars out in the driveway when you left? That part just bothers me, because it was so close to the time when one of the roommates came home, and I just…I’m thinking maybe you were still in the house when he was there.
05:58
JA: No. Umm…No, I was in the driveway.
06:03
DF: You were in the driveway? They would have seen the car then, right?
06:06
JA: Yeah. I know my space was always right behind Travis’ car and he parked in the… he has a 3-car garage and he took the middle space, and one of his roommates…
06:13
DF: The Prius?
06:14
JA: Yeah, the Prius or his BMW before that, and then there was like a smaller, little space but it was enough for a car, but it was always jammed with junk from his roommates.
06:23
DF: Yeah, I saw that.
08:48
DF: I know Travis doesn’t look his doors when he’s home. Was the door open when you got there, or did you have to go through the garage, or how did you get inside? Did you knock? Everybody says he leaves his doors open when he’s home. He trusts everybody.
09:09
JA: Umm…have you ever seen the movie, the Secret?
09:12
DF: I don’t think so.
09:13
JA: It’s kind of…if you’re familiar with the whole Law of Attraction kind of thing like the way you think you become or ran your life. He felt that if you lock your doors, then what are you telling the universe, what are you telling the ether out there and this and that, I need to lock my door for a reason.
09:29
DF: Yeah, I wanna’ be safe.
09:30
JA: Yeah, I wanna’ be safe, which also gives the impression that well, there’s somebody that can hurt me, so, and by trusting you know …
09:39
DF: He was a very, very trusting person, and that’s what made him who he is.
09:56
DF: Doing what I do for a living, I lock my doors.
09:59
JA: I can imagine. You know I guess me coming from Salinas, I’ve always locked my doors.
11:18
DF: So was the door unlocked when you got there?
11:26
DF: Did you… you went through the door or the garage? I know a lot of his friends have the key code for the garage, and he doesn’t keep that a secret either.
11:34
JA: Umm…
11:36
DF: I got that from several different friends.
11:43
JA: Yeah, 0817.
11:53
DF: Was he expecting you?
11:58
JA: (Jodi sighs)
12:07
DF: Yes?
12:09
DF: Did you surprise him? I know he was always happy to see you.
12:18
JA: (Jodi bows her head, covers her eyes/face with her hands)
12:22
DF: What you guys had was not wrong, Jodi.
In going over all his stuff, he was always happy to see you.
12:42
JA: (Jodi still has her hands covering her eyes/face and lets out a giggle)
He told me this time when He must have been on his phone or something texting, but he said they parked and he looked up and it was my house and he was like, “What are we doing here?” (Jodi laughs) and he freaked out! I started laughing so hard when he told me that story, and they’re like, “We’re getting Amy, she’s going with us.” “Oh, okay,” and he just kind of sat there twiddling his thumbs and they got Amy and she left.
13:42
JA: It was just funny because it just weirded him out. I don’t know what reminded me of that just now. You said something…
13:48
DF: He was happy to see you.
13:49
JA: Yeah. I don’t think he would… he would probably have been…it would have been awkward if he had been…because we kept…
13:54
DF: You guys had a different kind of relationship. You guys were happy to see each other but for some reason he couldn’t outwardly show it in public.
14:02
JA: He umm…
18:45
JA: (talking about Mimi) She spends a lot of time at the Temple so I think… I’ve never been endowed. I’ve never been through the Temple but from what I understand I think that’s such a sacred place and mediating there and being there will help to give you further insight about where just you as a person are supposed to make a move on a certain decision in your life. So maybe that just wasn’t for her. I also was thinking after the fact I didn’t get a chance to discuss this with him. I didn’t know she was going to Cancun, and I didn’t know that she flat out told him no, but I thought...
19:26
DF: So that’s completely out of the theory that you went there to convince him to not go.
19:33
JA: Oh, yeah. No. Not at all. Not at all.
19:36
DF: ‘Cause that’s the first theory that was thrown out there was she was jealous. She knew that he was going to Cancun with this other girl and it was just jealousy.
19:46
JA: I never…I asked him at one point after I moved. I was like, “Hey, who are you taking to Cancun by the way?” I knew it wasn’t…at one point there was a girl named Brenda who in … she wasn’t actually involved, and she was in the business and she saw me at the memorial and she’s like, “Now, wasn’t he going to take you to Cancun?” and that was like…We found out about Cancun a year prior umm…right about the time we broke up so I never really assumed that I had a ticket there, and, you know, all those things went on. It was just never discussed. So there was never any discussion.
20:19
DF: That never went through your head then.
20:20
JA: Yeah. There was never a discussion that I was going to Cancun. Not on that trip. Not with him. Maybe sometime in the future, some other time with somebody else, but no, so that was not an issue.
20:28
DF: What about the trip of him coming up to you, come visit you? Was that something that was planned or was that something that…?
20:34
JA: Yeah, it was supposed…
20:34
DF: Because I wasn’t even sure that that was true.
20:37
JA: No. No. He was supposed to come twice. He was gonna’ maybe come up as… and I kinda’ like was hoping he would come by March, I’m sorry, May 24th, because I was singing the National Anthem at the races and I thought… I just... it’s part of one of my goals for this year was one of my fears to overcome was being in front of large crowds or public speaking, um…so
20:58
DF: You have anxiety with crowds?
20:59
(Jodi is talking really fast during this!)
20:59
JA: Yeah……. Umm…and then the third one was skydiving. So I was going to do that sometime this year, but he wasn’t able to make it up for the… he was scared to tell me that, too. He was like, “I know you get really upset...”
21:38
DF: Why was he scared?
21:39
JA: Not scared, umm… hesitant…
21:40:
DF: He didn’t want you to be upset.
21:41
JA: He didn’t want to hurt my feelings, and he told me that. He was on the phone in early May ‘cause I had known about that I was going to sing about 8 weeks prior, about 8 weeks prior… yeah… cause I had approached the guy at the state… down by the Purple Plum which is the one by middle (unintelligible). He works at the gas station area.
22:44
DF: So when he didn’t come up. was there an issue with that? Did you talk about that?
22:47
JA: Umm… well he put it so delicately that I couldn’t be mad. I was sad but I wasn’t mad or anything. He said, he’s like, I’m just not sure. H said, “There’s a lot of stress going on. There’s a lot of things right now, you know, this and that stuff going on,” and he’s like, “I’ve been hesitating to tell you, but it looks like I might not be able to make it up there to watch you sing, and I’ve been scared to tell you that,” and I was like, “Aw….” you know. He says it, and he taught me this, his technique, he says it in a way to disarm you first, to where you’re just like, Oh, now, you know, like reverse psychology, sort of. So he said that, and I could really tell that he really was concerned that he would hurt my feelings.
23:24
DF: Is that when you decided or he decided to come invite you up?
JA: Uh, no. No, not at all, ‘cause he never...He didn’t invite me until he found out I was going on a road trip. But, then he’s like, he’s all, “Definitely the first week of June.” He’s all “probably before I go to Cancun,” and so um…as that week got closer you know, he was like…”look”…We had a big fight somewhere around then.
23:53
DF: Mmm hmm.
23:54
JA: Umm…I don’t remember the exact timeline but it was in late May, and…
24:03
DF: Was that one of the e-mails that you sent him, or?
24:07
JA: Which…? Oh…
24:07
DF: the large e-mail…the…your relationship and…
24:11
JA: (Jodi speaks very fast during this response)
Oh, just how I think that… Yeah, ‘cause I just could tell, uh…Oh, because I edited and I did all the editing and the grammar and spellings, he’s not a very good speller, that umm…on his…on his first chapter of his book, and he wanted to post it on his bog, and I noticed when he posted the introduction, he’s like, “Special thanks to Katie Barnes,” and I’ve no jealousy towards her, she’s just a great girl, and you know there’s nothing there to worry about. In fact, when…when…when I was worried about Lisa uhh…Andrews and Alana (?) Gomez, her best friend, they were all spending a lot of time together, and so I wasn’t sure, and she would post flirtatious things on his My Space, and he’s like, “Don’t worry about that.” He’s like, he said at one point, he’s like, “If you have anything to worry about, it’s Katie Barnes,” and so I was like, “You are so spin it just throwing the focus off something,” and I don’t think there was ever any concern with that. I know that he liked her, but nothing more and as a friend, and he said, “She’s a little freaky and emotional unstable sometimes, but I think she’s just young. She’s a nice girl.” So he said that, and I’m like, “Hey make sure you post a special thanks to Jodi Arias for editing,” and he’s like, “You know I can’t do that,” and I was like, “Why not?” and he’s like, “Jodi we’ve discussed this,” and what he meant was, umm people…I made a few comments ‘cause he was like, “leave me comments on my Bog, and rate me 5 stars, you know and that kind of thing, so it looks like people are going there. So I left a few comments and he saw people who already said things, and he was referring to Sky Hughes who was like, “Hey I noticed a certain someone has been commenting on your Bog,” and I think it’s because he had given her the… and I told him to say this, too, umm, okay, I’ll be real quick ‘cause I know this is all… I’m just giving you background. We sat next to each other at the last convention, at a prepaid legal convention in Oklahoma City. That’s because we buy our tickets way in advance. So we bought our tickets last year, and because he
qualifies for Executive Director every month which is one of the top levels in the company, he gets to sit on the floor close to the front, that’s close to the stadium seats. So you know I had a ticket. He bought a ticket for me at the time. So it wasn’t a big deal, but we were just sitting next to each other, but she made a comment, you know. He, of course, has to explain, “Listen, we got our tickets a year ago and there’s no way she’s going to give up her seat for stadium seats.” So he sent that ticket, I mean he sent that text either to her friend, Holly, or to her or someone.
Anyway, umm… I realized that she was giving him a hard time so I said, “Listen, tell her next time she says anything that Jodi is dating other people and that she’s moving to California,” because it was already in the plans to move to California.
27:37
DF: Is that what the e-mail was about the whole story?
27:40
JA: Yeah. We had that conversation and I walked to work because I was you know… (unintelligible as music playing)
00:17
(Jodi giggles throughout this response)
JA: We spent the day in Scottsdale and when we were done, umm…we drove to his house, but Deanna was there waiting for him for some reason, to visit or something, and he was so scared that she would see him in my car that I practically had to keep the car rolling and kick him as I drove by his house, and he’s like, “Don’t even put it in park. Just roll up real quick,” and he jumped out, shut the door, and he was like, “Now go, go, go” and I was like, “Okay,” and I just kind of laughed at that. That was August 18th. Umm…
01:09
DF: So why this trip this time? I know you said he couldn’t…he canceled on you even coming up here in the first part of June, right? Why did you end up going there then? Was it because he couldn’t go and you guys still wanted to see each other?
01:29
JA: Well, when his umm….trip the 2nd time got postponed, umm… it was probably the last week of May that I…that you know… it was kind of obvious that he wasn’t going to come then, but he said, “Listen, after Cancun, umm I have like two weeks that I’ll have nothing going on before I go to D.C. He’s like, “I think that’s the best time. He’s like, “I’m going to see if it works out for my friends up north, Chad Perkins his friend and Norma, (?) his wife, and we can do it all then. I said, “All right,” but at that time I was like, “Whatever!” “We’ll see. I might just not see you until till I go back to Utah.” (Unintelligible) do at the end of the month…
02:15
DF: So did he know you were coming, the first part of June?
02:18
JA: Umm I wasn’t even…like I had been talking with Ryan at this point, and obviously there’s a distance there, and that was difficult and he really wanted to spend time with me, and I really wanted to spend time with him, and it just seemed like he had made a few comments like, “When am I going to come out there,” and, I was like, “As soon as you want,” you know, but I didn’t think he was serious, and uh…
02:39
DF: Is this Ryan you are talking about?
02:40
JA: Ryan Burns.
02:42
JA: Umm…so finally, umm…things began to work out at Casa Ramos with my schedule, which is a Mexican Restaurant and I had a three-day weekend there, so I thought I’ll make this… take this opportunity and go see Ryan, and that was my intention.
03:02
DF: What happened when you left? Why did you go the other way?
(Silence)
03:14
DF: That’s my question.
03:16
JA: You know…
03:16
DF: Why go to see Travis if you are going to see Ryan as well, and did Travis know you were coming? He knew? I saw you kind of shake your head a little bit.
03:34
JA: This is hard.
03:35
DF: It’s okay. Did he know you were coming? Did you guys talk on the phone?
03:49
JA: (Whispers) (Unintelligible)
03:50
DF: What was the discussion about?
03:55
JA: Gordon Hinckley, mostly.
03:57
DF: The last conversation you had?
03:58
JA: The last long one. We talked a little bit prior.
04:01
DF: Did you guys talk when you were en route to Phoenix?
04:07
JA: Yeah, just briefly. I told him my phone was dying, which was true. I thought I left my charger in Monterey with Matt. I really, honestly thought that I left my charger there, and I had been talking all day between, just on the phone umm… I take lots of pictures of myself (laughs).
04:43
JA: Yeah, keep two or three or one or none depending…and uh…so I talked a little bit with John Dixon who, I was maybe going to go to San Diego. Umm…there’s another place on the list there, too.
04:56
DF: That was on the same trip?
04:57
JA: Yeah, it’s a little ambitious, but I thought . . .
05:39
DF: So he knew you were coming? He was expecting you? Obviously you guys had, you know, a little encounter. Is that when those pictures were taken? Did he even show you those pictures?
(Silence)
06:16
DF: It’s going to be all right, Jodi.
06:26
JA: I feel really powerless in here.
06:31
DF: I know.
07:05
DF: So obviously there was nobody else at the house when you got there. His roommates were gone. Well, there was Napoleon, but . . .
07:16
JA: He’s a person, too. (Laughing)
07:19
DF: Yeah, I got to meet Napoleon.
07:21
JA: He is so awesome.
07:23
DF: But nobody else was there?
07:25
JA: I think his roommates were there.
07:27
DF: You think his roommates were there? Were their cars there? You would have had to see their cars. You parked in the driveway, right?
07:39
JA: Yeah.
07:41
DF: One roommate parks in the garage and the other one parks outside.
07:45
JA: Well, I know Zach would park on the street a lot when I lived there before, and he pulled his car in the garage whenever he would work on it.
07:52
DF: What makes you think his roommates were there?
07:55
JA: I asked him.
07:57
DF: What did he say? Who was home?
08:00
JA: He said they were there, but I don’t know who. The reason I asked because it’s kind of an indication of how quiet we have to be.
08:12
DF: What time was that? Do you remember what time you rolled in?
08:19
JA: Umm… 3 o’clock a.m. It was dark.
08:32
DF: Wednesday morning?
08:36
JA: I think.
08:37
DF: Yeah, that makes sense.
08:45
DF: You’re pretty sneaky. You go up there and the roommates don’t even know that you’re there (chuckles).
08:49
JA: I did that many, many, many nights.
08:51
DF: How did they not see your car?
08:53
JA: Ummm...
09:00
JA: I don’t know. I was parked there.
09:01
DF: Oh, you know what! Zach was house sitting for his girlfriend. His girlfriend was on a trip with uh…, on a cruise with her parents, and he was staying the night at… and I think he was staying the night at…
09:15
JA: That makes sense because I want to say that…he said his roommate was home but I don’t remember, but I think he said one roommate was home.
09:21
DF: One roommate. Enrique, he gets up about 5:30, 6:00 in the morning . . .
09:26
JA: And if I’m correct, then Enrique’s has the room that shares the wall with Travis’ room, which is fine, and you know, it’s a KB home. Travis used to say the walls are really, really thin.
09:37
DF: Yes, they skimp on that part.
09:40
DF: Yeah, so Enrique was home, so you went in around 2 or 3 in the morning. But he gets up about 6, and…no he leaves the house about 6 in the morning, and he didn’t notice anything different. Did you guys spend the whole day together then, that following day? Did you guys go anywhere or just stay in the house?
10:07
JA: Slept.
10:09
DF: Well, after a long trip I’d sleep, too.
10:12
JA: Travis stayed up all night waiting. He was watching something on You Tube, some stupid video. He’s like, “You gotta’ see this,” and I’m watching and I’m like, “This is so boring. What’s the point of that?” He’s like, “Just stupid, pointless stuff.” I’m like, “Okay.” I guess everyone’s got to have their time to veg out being so driven and deep as he is for business, which is fine that he watches stuff like that. It wasn’t anything profane or bad or vulgar, it was just people dancing, but they had like boxes of foil on their head. It was like weird, like robotic kind of music.
10:58
DF: The pictures that I showed you of you laying on the bed
10:58
DF: The pictures that I showed you of you laying on the bed and stuff, was that when those were taken that day?
11:06
JA: We also made a video but we deleted it.
11:10
DF: A video on his camera? Videos are hard to get once they are erased, they take up so much room and … whereas pictures are a little different.
11:30
JA: Umm…
11:32
DF: What happened after that? What went wrong? I know that the last photos of him were taken about 5:20, 5:30, and you said he doesn’t like… he doesn’t like you to take pictures of him and stuff.
JA: He was very private about the shower like we…
DF: (Laughs) Was that why you were taking pictures of him in the shower? (Laughs)
11:53
JA: No, no.
11:56
DF: (Laughs) Trying to get back at him?
11:57
JA: No. Um…
12:04
DF: I’m surprised he allowed you to take pictures of him in the shower. The first few looked like he wasn’t too comfortable, but, obviously, whatever you were saying to him made him a little more comfortable.
12:18
JA: I remember all that pretty clearly.
12:21
DF: You remember that?
12:27
DF: What went wrong? Did he say something to you? Were you angry about something? Were you frustrated? What was it?
13:04
DF: Something happened at that point, and I don’t know what it was.
13:14
DF: Mmm hmm. There were several photos of him, and the last one that we have is of him sitting in the shower, and that’s when I think it happened. He was sitting down looking up at you. What did you do? What happened, Jodi? You’ve gone this far. Did you plan on doing that the whole time?
14:20
JA: (Whispers) No.
BRING ON THE NINJAS
16:09
JA: I can’t!
16:11
DF: Why not? Are you protecting somebody else? Why would someone else do this?
16:30
JA: I don’t know.
16:37
DF: Did someone catch you there? Someone not expecting you to be there?
16:45
JA: They would have seen my car.
16:50
DF: Then who was it?
16:58
JA: (Whispers) I don’t know their names. Listen, I will tell you… I can tell you everything that I know or that I remember …
17:14
DF: Okay, what do you remember; from the time you were taking the pictures to the time you left, what happened? What happened after that last picture was taken? You have to tell me.
(Silence)
18:06
DF: If you want me to believe someone else was there, you have to show me. (Jodi crying) You have to explain what happened. Otherwise, it was just you, and if that’s the case, that’s okay. That’s okay as well.
19:40
DF: Was there an argument? No?
19:46
JA: Umm…Not between Travis and I.
19:49
JA: (Whispers) Is there any way I can see those pictures? I just…
20:04
DF: No, not right now.
20:05
JA: Can I see them soon? I will… (one last attempt to line up story? Match a timelinr?)
20:11
DF: You need to start letting me know what happened. You’re telling me that some other people were there. You know how much that concerns me?
20:26
JA: I don’t know who they were. They know where I live or they know where my parents are. I don’t know if they know where my grandparents are, but they got my address. They know where my family is. Sorry.
20:46
DF: So you’re trying to say that you’re doing this to protect your family? Why would someone do this to you and to him?
