Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #4

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Will finish up posting that blasted timeline when I can...my DH had a car accident, totalled his car, shaken up and sore but hopefully nothing worse than that. :(


Oh Hope, I will keep you and your DH in my thoughts. Let us know if there is anything you need. Update when you are able. BIG HUGS!!!
 
Will finish up posting that blasted timeline when I can...my DH had a car accident, totalled his car, shaken up and sore but hopefully nothing worse than that. :(

Yikes. Sounds terrifying. I hope he's better soon.

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Cancun, et., continued....


It helps to know that the killer isn't one of TA's PPL associates. She's connected to Chris H's accounts, not T's. One reading of that text exchange is that she is asking Travis for credit for spending time "helping" him meet quota, at the expense of meeting her own, even though he didn't ask her for assistance and didn't give her permission to access his accounts.

A less charitable reading is that whatever she did with his account under the guise of helping had actually jeopardized his ability to meet quota (among other risks), which is why he was scrambling the next day for one more sale by noon.

Whatever she did, for whatever reason (or whatever she told herself was the reason), the killer acknowledged in her journal that it had caused real problems with Travis. She calls the fight a "spat," but writes that she drove over to T's while they were still on the phone, arguing...by text (hmm) and that she knocked on his bedroom door, then flew in to breathlessly apologize to him
(though, she writes, he was the one being a jerk). Later, while on the stand, she testified that the resulting fight was significant, even intense.

And whatever she did, both she and Travis knew by mid-day the next day, March 31, that Travis had secured his perk of going to Cancun by meeting his ED quota for March.

I'm pretty sure the killer was convinced, however twisted her thoughts, that she was responsible for Travis making quota, and thus for his earning the Cancun trip. From the testimony of Ryan Burns, what she told him:

"Travis was her executive director. She helped him put in membership applications. She helped him qualify as Executive Director, and maintain that status.

EDs needed 75 memberships -if you had 73 @ end of month you would get director but not executive pay. Only ED’s were eligible for perks like the Cancun trips."


In her mind, IMO, she believed without her Travis wouldn't have been eligible to go at all. It was one thing to write in mid-March, while at the OKC convention, when Travis was still upbeat about Mimi-sometimes, that it was OK with her to imagine Travis escorting Mimi to the Executive Director banquet the next year. After all, she was going to be a PPL star herself, and earn her own way there within a year.

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aarg!!!! timed out and lost paragraphs. will retype in word and post, should have done that to begin with..:(

I woud venture to bet that the memberships she put into TA's account—if she put any in there—were not memberships she actually sold.

However, I think we should be open to the idea that there was a manipulation and not real memberships. And/or if she was adding memberships, the data came from ID theft or from people she talked to and got their SS#, but who had no plans to buy. Or, she just made up memberships, thinking no one would find out 'cos she's just so good at hiding her tracks.

If JA was downline from Chris Hughes, CH would have been able to shed some light on all this, but nothing was said?

Separate topic. If TA wasn't downline from CH, why did CH say TA made him his first million? And a lot of money since then?
 
Doesn't MDLR have any new clients with whom she can carry on an unprofessional relationship? :facepalm:

Really. What is with that woman, anyway?

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I suspect that even after writing all three volumes of his book about Jodi, she will remain in his system, in one way or another (all of them bad), for years to come.


I really think KN's been traumatized, PTSD, dissociation, all of it. Seriously. I hope he's getting good professional support along with his regular health (+cancer) stuff.
 
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Separate topic. If TA wasn't downline from CH, why did CH say TA made him his first million? And a lot of money since then?

Maybe Chris is referring to Travis' rally-the-troops/motivational talks at PPL meetings?
 
Will finish up posting that blasted timeline when I can...my DH had a car accident, totalled his car, shaken up and sore but hopefully nothing worse than that. :(

Oh, no! Glad that he's okay, but still, it's gotta be so upsetting. Plus, now you're into insurance hell... Wishing you both the best.
 
Doesn't MDLR have any new clients with whom she can carry on an unprofessional relationship? :facepalm:

Of course she does. That's why she's Tweetering a response to N.G. instead of working on her new client's case right now. :D
 
Thanks for all the good wishes! My DH is fine. His car not so much, but heck, it was time to get a new car anyway. It's all good. :) What scared me most about the situation is when he called me from the scene. He was on his way home from work after dark, driving through a very very bad part of town, when the other car ran full speed into the driver's side of DH's car.

For whatever reason, the other driver was furious. I could hear him screaming non-stop obscenities at my husband, and all I could think was--he's going to get shot!! People in this city get killed for a whole lot less than a crumpled up car, no matter who was at fault.

But, all's well that ends well. Thanks again. :)
 
(I worked on this awhile ago but forgot to post it).


THE TRIP TO VISIT THE KILLER THAT TRAVIS NEVER INTENDED TO GO ON


(symbolic for her, I think, of trips untaken owed to her by Travis, as served as well to disguise the fact he’d moved on & later, demanded she get out of his life completely. Her utter inability to keep her story straight with LE is amazing, even comical).


May 10 call (earliest recorded)

K: So you’re coming here before Cancun. T: That’s the plan. K: The itinerary—Are you going to San Francisco too or is that another trip. T: Yes, going to San Fran. K: Then to see me, the coast, crater lake, Shakespeare, then to friends in Washington?

T: I’m not going to do all that. You’re at the top of my list. Then I’ll fly to Seattle, see friends, go to British Columbia. All part of the same trip. K: OK.


May 10 call. (IMO, next in chronologic order of spliced recordings)


K: So June you’re going to Cancun and coming here. (No response). K: What else are you doing (mumbled) (splice) T: Washington DC.

K: Oh, yah, that’s what I’m doing. I’m going to travel around with you, DC if I can afford it, well, probably that’s out, I’m going to Team Freedom in June. I have a place to stay in Palm Desert, so no money there. (No mention of Utah. Utah comes up with Ryan for the 1st time around May 3. First mention of possibility in her journal is May 18.)


May 10 call (last spliced/recorded, IMO).

T: I’m super busy from the beginning of June thru the beginning of July, then end of July too.
K: Yah, me too. I may go to Utah at the end of the month.



March 22, journal, about one week before she’s due to leave Mesa.

Writes a “rough draft of the rest of her year”:

April--Yreka. May-- SoCa? June--Team Freedom. Cooperstown with Joseph. July-- TNV event. Team Renew Event. August-- LLC-CA. Sept-- LV convention. Oct.-- Angela’s bday. Nov. --Thanksgivng. Dec.—Christmas.

Places I plan to see this year: Washington DC, Mormon Tabernacle Choir, Oregon Coast, Cooperstown NY, NYC, Hotel de Coronado, Death Valley.

Things I want to buy: Helio $150, GreatLife $2100, MAC $2000, external drive $150. TNV event $300, Daniel’s Summit $ 600, Team Freedom $400, (Back Taxes ?) $1000,( ?) $900, (Cooperstown?) $1000.

Total: $8,600 (Mine. Her total was written in and scratched out).

April 9. Journal. She’s been back in Yreka for 2-3 days.

Decides it’s time to revise her goals, including her places to see list. (other goals included becoming an Executive Director by July 10,2008, recruiting 50 people, reading 30 books, having $5k in her savings account, and singing the star spangled banner in front of a crowd).

Revised to see list:

Cooperstown (NY), Hotel Del Coronado (San Diego), Death Valley (CA), Motab (UT) Zion Ntl Park (UT), Moab Desert (UT) Oregon Coast, Shakespeare Festival (OR), Washington DC, LAKE POWELL!!

May 18, journal. Singing at the races this Saturday. Very nervous. Travis was tentatively planning to come and see me, but now it’s been pushed back to the beginning of June.


June 2 2008. On her way to kill him, sends Travis a text that she’d looked at the wrong calendar.


June 4. VM left for just-murdered Travis:

I was looking at wrong calendar when I talked to you, looked at May, duh. Anyway, Heather and I for Shakespeare on July 1, hope you too. I don’t know when Team Freedom event is, but it’s on the list, so we could do Shakespeare, Crater Lake and the coast, if you can make it, that would be great. If not, we’ll just do Crater lake and the Coast.

June 7. Email to murdered Travis. “You’ll be here in less than 2 weeks. I’m thinking of going there next week, while you’re in Cancun, if budget allows. “



June 10. Flores phone interview.

He…he was supposed to make a trip up here…um…at the end of the month because he…We…um…we got this thing that we’re doing. It’s called uh…There’s a book called 1,000 Places to See Before You Die….

So, we each kind of have that goal and…and one of the places is the Oregon Coast, um…and the Shakespearean Festival, and so he was going to come up here for that um…and then we were going to go see that and Crater Lake and just different landmarks then…


DF: Was…that trip already scheduled

JA: Um…it was… It was…It wasn’t officially like dated and stuff. I had been trying to reach him so I could solidify my own schedule because I was planning on making a trip down there.

Um…you know, but…uh…It was supposed to happen in May and then things just…It was supposed to happen um…last week, and that didn’t work out.

So he was going to leave for Cancun today and um…and then he said as soon as he gets back from Cancun he was going to continue the trip because he was going to drive up the coast and when he reaches me we’ll go do some things and then he’ll continue on to Washington and see some friends up there.

Um…and then I guess that was supposed to happen before the beginning of July because July he was supposed to go to Washington D.C.
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DF: …you guys had scheduled that you were going to come down and stay at his house when (he’s in Cancun)?

JA: Yeah…um…no, actually. That’s what I e-mailed him about last week because it was kind of last minute because I was going to go…I’m looking at a calendar here. I was gonna’ go not this week but the next, and then he was gonna’ come up here that following week which was the 4th of July, and um…it all sounds kind of weird. We’re all travelers.

DF: remember him telling you when he was leaving for his trip?

JA: Yeah. Yeah. ‘Cause we had discussed dates of travel up here so…Um… I asked…He had said that he was leaving the 10th, and I didn’t know how long it would be or if he would come up here for 4 or 5 or 6 days but um I did know that the last we had discussed it his trip up here was going to be after Cancun, sometime towards the end of June, and it would probably be a four day thing for me or a three day thing, but longer for him because he was traveling along the California coast and on up to Washington.


July: After arrest interrogation.

JA: Well, when his umm….trip the 2nd time got postponed, umm… it was probably the last week of May that I…that you know… it was kind of obvious that he wasn’t going to come then, but he said, “Listen, after Cancun, umm I have like two weeks that I’ll have nothing going on before I go to D.C.


He’s like, “I think that’s the best time. He’s like, “I’m going to see if it works out for my friends up north, Chad Perkins his friend and Norma, (?) his wife, and we can do it all then.

I said, “All right,” but at that time I was like, “Whatever!” “We’ll see. I might just not see you until I go back to Utah.”
 
I woud venture to bet that the memberships she put into TA's account—if she put any in there—were not memberships she actually sold.

However, I think we should be open to the idea that there was a manipulation and not real memberships. And/or if she was adding memberships, the data came from ID theft or from people she talked to and got their SS#, but who had no plans to buy. Or, she just made up memberships, thinking no one would find out 'cos she's just so good at hiding her tracks.

If JA was downline from Chris Hughes, CH would have been able to shed some light on all this, but nothing was said?

Separate topic. If TA wasn't downline from CH, why did CH say TA made him his first million? And a lot of money since then?



My bad. Wrong Hughes. From JVM interview:


Dr. David Hughes:

Well, we knew that she…As we got to know her better we knew that she was a chameleon and she would adapt to any type of environment or situation she needed to. And so, you know another thing is that we never really got to know Jodi Arias. I…I actually worked with her in Legal Shield and she was part of my team, and she would…I would take a few business calls, but I didn’t know her on a personal level until we met for the first time, in person, at the Las Vegas convention.


As for whatever she did with his accounts on May 30. IMO she messed them up on purpose and then had the gall to tell him she couldn't meet her quota because she was helping him (I bet he saw what she'd done and confronted her the same night).

More from the March 30 text:

T: " ...you dump countless bull crap on me. I wasn't appreciative of another thing to deal with because of you. Its easy crap to fix but you like to ruin everything of mine and I'm tired of it. " (quote from Beth Karas on Crime subscription website).
 
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RE qualifying for PPL perks -- this is based on my dodgy memory of things Jodi has said, so take it with a pillar of salt. For convention perks like sitting close to the stage and attending the big-whup banquet, and for travel perks like Cancun, don't people have to qualify well in advance? Maybe Travis initially qualified for a "provisional" plus-one ticket to Cancun but getting the actual ticket was contingent upon his re-qualifying at the time of the trip?

RE timing out and losing paragraphs -- You know this website better than I do so I hate to ask... but do you know about the "restore auto-saved content" button? Websleuths seems to auto-save about every minute or so. If you get bumped while in the process of writing, log back on, go back to the "post quick reply" area (or go back to the post were you responding to and click "reply" again), then click on the "restore auto-saved content" button at the bottom of the text window... and Bob should be your uncle (as it were). You'll only lose the stuff you typed in the minute or so before you got bumped.



LOL. Actually I didn't know that about auto-save. Bless you. :D

As for qualifying etc. ED's apparently were all automatically eligible for the Cancun type perks, but they had meet every monthly quota to actually qualify.

Not sure how it worked beyond that. Tickets to convention ED banquets and such seem to have typically been purchased way ahead of time, but maybe since these weren't perk-perks, just perk-lite? Or even just plain perky? ;)
 
Poor, poor Travis.

If she's been like this the majority of her life then I do have some small compassion for her family.
 
Poor, poor Travis.

If she's been like this the majority of her life then I do have some small compassion for her family.



Poor Travis, indeed. I reread a bit ago the story on SM a chef at Ventana Inn told about her temper. He said that he witnessed one day there her response when a fellow server refused to switch stations with her, despite repeated demands by the killer.

If true, the killer's responded by going into the bathroom, screaming so loudly she could be heard from the kitchen, and kicking or punching a hole in the wall.

I've always thought that part of T's unwillingness to confront her more forcefully was that he was afraid of her violence, which I'm very willing to bet he'd witnessed.

IMO the story she told about him banging his head against the closet door after she confronted him in August 2007 after spying on him wasn't about him; that was her.

And IMO , same thing about her similar story of the April 1 "come clean" conversation, when she said he was so out of control she thought he was going to hurt himself.

And the choking by him, etc. Maybe that was her fantasy of what she wanted to do to him at the time.


PS. Knowing her history of abusing animals, including her poor cat Luna, I find it difficult to believe her frequent and over-the-top assertions about loving Napoleon, especially since she knew how attached Travis was his dog-baby. She mentions once in a text to Travis that she had to "scold" Naps because she caught him peeing in the house. I can easily imagine her taking out some part of her rage on Napoleon when she was alone in the house with him. :(
 
My bad. Wrong Hughes. From JVM interview:


Dr. David Hughes:

Well, we knew that she…As we got to know her better we knew that she was a chameleon and she would adapt to any type of environment or situation she needed to. And so, you know another thing is that we never really got to know Jodi Arias. I…I actually worked with her in Legal Shield and she was part of my team, and she would…I would take a few business calls, but I didn’t know her on a personal level until we met for the first time, in person, at the Las Vegas convention.


As for whatever she did with his accounts on May 30. IMO she messed them up on purpose and then had the gall to tell him she couldn't meet her quota because she was helping him (I bet he saw what she'd done and confronted her the same night).

More from the March 30 text:

T: " ...you dump countless bull crap on me. I wasn't appreciative of another thing to deal with because of you. Its easy crap to fix but you like to ruin everything of mine and I'm tired of it. " (quote from Beth Karas on Crime subscription website).

Iirc, she did say she'd got herself a green card membership, or something along that line, to "help" him, knowing full well that one of the rules of the competition was absolutely no sign ups were allowed from current(previous?) members and would or could get him disqualified.

Btw, did you notice that on her rough draft of things to do for the rest of her year in your previous post, she didn't even put TA's birthday on the list...

Also, from reading old posts from the trial 4/‎4/‎13 when LaV was testifying, have you come across a text from TA in late March 2008 where TA wants JA to empty her voicemail because it's full? I don't recall seeing one like that and my sub to BK has run out already. Seems convenient that she has a voicemail box just full of messages eh?

Then there's that strange text where TA allegedly is at some club on April 19th and just had to send her a msg telling her how he thinks she's prettier than all the girls there... this just after they'd had an argument where JA had criticized his speaking ability and he was openly pining for Lisa etc and was happy that JA was finally back in Yreka so he could move on with his life. Anyway, have you come across anything that proves that TA was ever at some club that day to have done that?
 
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