Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. #2

[hawkshaw]

For whatever it's worth. I have a relative that knows about JB and I am told that JB is a nut job. They didn't have nice things to say about him. For whatever it is worth.

JB may well be the key to SG, and perhaps the others.

If memory serves me right I think I remember reading where the cops ruled JB out. I have done murder cases for years now, and in my opinion, and with the limited information I have there is no way a detective could rule out JB for this crime.

 

[BKS]

For whatever it's worth. I have a relative that knows about JB and I am told that JB is a nut job. They didn't have nice things to say about him. For whatever it is worth.

JB may well be the key to SG, and perhaps the others.

If memory serves me right I think I remember reading where the cops ruled JB out. I have done murder cases for years now, and in my opinion, and with the limited information I have there is no way a detective could rule out JB for this crime.

I don't think that LE said that he was ruled out. Media has reported he has not been arrested and he took a lie detector test and it was inconclusive. LE has never named a POI as far as I know. I think if he had been cleared by LE they would have stated that he is a not a POI. JMHO

 

[BKS]

Where did you hear that BKS?

The rumor came from the (now defunct) old LISK site. A local posted a note in a chat room one night about the Drifter. That's why I said a definite rumor.

 

[waltson]

The rumor came from the (now defunct) old LISK site. A local posted a note in a chat room one night about the Drifter. That's why I said a definite rumor.

Thanks Did you catch a name or any more info?

 

[Just K]

Unfortunately sometimes even the experts are wrong! I had another thought..If there was a dfifter there this shouldve been a big money call for her as he wouldve had to pay too! The way I see it and the way her driver and boyfriend wouldve saw it...@$200.00 an hour per person. IMO I really believe that she was afraid of her boyfriend and/or driver who wouldve been extremely pissed at her for spending all that time with two clients and not having the amount of money they felt they deserved. I really dont think gb is a killer. I think that section of LI has been a "pimps dump" for a very long time used by many different ones. Reminds me of a popular threat used by some of these abusive lowlifes" "B*tch I will leave your *advertiser censored* stankin ( stinking) in a ditch!" Which is exactily what happenened to these girls

Let's just say it is a pimp's dumping grounds, Shadowraith, a WS member, mentioned/researched one group of pimps out West that rotate their "stable" among other pimps...maybe just maybe the killer is one of the Brooklyn Pimps or an enforcer for a bigger boss or someone the Brooklyn pimps use when they need their dead workers to disappear.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

parties behind the gates at oak beach at jb's house.

since jb was having a party - and called in - to hire a sex worker - for the evening's fun events..... what i never understood was...
why did he hire someone that had a 2 hour (or just under) commute?
why not just hire a sex worker closer to oak beach - like say
babylon....or hauppauge.

they have a rather large business of sex trade in babylon and hauppauge - why make someone travel such a long distance to work at jb's party that night?

 

[BKS]

parties behind the gates at oak beach at jb's house.

since jb was having a party - and called in - to hire a sex worker - for the evening's fun events..... what i never understood was...
why did he hire someone that had a 2 hour (or just under) commute?
why not just hire a sex worker closer to oak beach - like say
babylon....or hauppauge.

they have a rather large business of sex trade in babylon and hauppauge - why make someone travel such a long distance to work at jb's party that night?

Maybe he's got a bad reputation. He's probably pulled the "I' m not paying paying" stunt before. It's a small world out there and the word was probably out on JB.

 

[Justiceforever]

Not me, though I've read both that there was a trip to the store for "lube and cards", and also that they did play cards. Doesn't much matter, to me, if either thing is true, as it would all fall within the Vast Unknown that comprises those hours that SG supposedly was in JB's house. And none of it makes sense to me, because:
1) A hooker who goes to a client's home expects to provide some sort of sexual act for a fee. They don't dilly-dally about determining what the client wants, naming a fee for it, and collecting that fee before any of the action starts. If even a half hour goes by and there's no money produced, a hooker leaves, and mad as hell.
2) A client who receives a hooker into his home expects some sort of sexual act. If the john determines they don't want sex from the provider who has shown up at their door, they negotiate for that provider to leave, and in a short period of time. No john will pay a hooker's hourly rate for the privilege of watching the hooker have a fit, or to play cards with the hooker, or for anything else that doesn't include the reason for which he asked her there in the first place. It wouldn't take JB two hours to ask MP to take SG home, if that's what he wanted.

Was JB paying SG to wait for someone else to show up, so that the party could start? I don't know, though that would at least make 1) and 2) above have some sort of explanation. Again, though, all Vast Unknown.

I beg to differ precious...not all escorts provide sex and not all clients want sex believe it or not...its true.

 

[Justiceforever]

Maybe he's got a bad reputation. He's probably pulled the "I' m not paying paying" stunt before. It's a small world out there and the word was probably out on JB.

I agree!

 

[waltson]

I assume your all joking about the "playing cards". Although, there was no coke in shannan's toxicology. Is it possible they were using bath salts?

 

[Justiceforever]

I assume your all joking about the "playing cards". Although, there was no coke in shannan's toxicology. Is it possible they were using bath salts?

If its true that they went for playing cards and lube...thats easy enough. Strip poker and a masterbation show. Not joking! Beeen there done it...and was payed for it! This is assuming JB was truthfull when he said he didnt want sex.

 

[Justiceforever]

If its true that they went for playing cards and lube...thats easy enough. Strip poker and a masterbation show. Not joking! Beeen there done it...and was payed for it! This is assuming JB was truthfull when he said he didnt want sex.

She mustve felt extremely safe with JB at that point however if she got in the car and drove off with him

 

[Redbird]

parties behind the gates at oak beach at jb's house.

since jb was having a party - and called in - to hire a sex worker - for the evening's fun events..... what i never understood was...
why did he hire someone that had a 2 hour (or just under) commute?
why not just hire a sex worker closer to oak beach - like say
babylon....or hauppauge.

they have a rather large business of sex trade in babylon and hauppauge - why make someone travel such a long distance to work at jb's party that night?

Maybe Shannan had been stalked and picked to kill and they wanted someone that did not live on Long Island. And don't say but she had a driver. I believe MP may well have been in on these murders, even paid to bring a victim.

 

[Justiceforever]

If its true that they went for playing cards and lube...thats easy enough. Strip poker and a masterbation show. Not joking! Beeen there done it...and was payed for it! This is assuming JB was truthfull when he said he didnt want sex.

As for the question about bath salts...I havent got a clue

 

[Justiceforever]

How do we know they went for playingg cards and lube? I missed that...maybe it was on the latest 48 hours which I regrettably havent been able to watch.the second one yet. could someone fill me in on the source of that...thanks! : )

 

[waltson]

How do we know they went for playingg cards and lube? I missed that...maybe it was on the latest 48 hours which I regrettably havent been able to watch.the second one yet. could someone fill me in on the source of that...thanks! : )

I'm pretty sure Michael Pak said Shannan asked him to go to cvs for lube and playing cards. Thanks for the insight, I had always assumed the cards were for drug use

 

[PreciousDust]

I beg to differ precious...not all escorts provide sex and not all clients want sex believe it or not...its true.

Well, in this case, what I said would apply, as this escort did provide sex, and JB admitted to being something of a *advertiser censored*-hound (and I'm just assuming he wasn't seeking bridge partners).

 

[marie-chantal]

I don't have any sort of idea or theory about what happened to Shannan. However, I do have the following to share:

It was reported that she was dressed in skinny jeans. These jeans were supposedly not on her body when it was found. I recall reading earlier in this thread that LE claimed she either took the jeans off as she ran through the area in which she was found, or the jeans fell off as she ran.

I wear skinny jeans on a regular basis. One could run a marathon in them, and they would not simply fall off unless they were 15 sizes too big. I doubt Shannan was wearing jeans that were 15 sizes too big, so IMO, it's impossible for them to simply fall off. I also don't believe that she took them off as she ran. If she was running, then she believed that she was pressed for time. Taking skinny jeans off while running is not an easy thing, and it doesn't make sense for her to do this if she was trying to escape.

If you don't believe me, just grab a pair of skinny jeans and try it. Trust me, it is very difficult.

 

[Justiceforever]

I'm pretty sure Michael Pak said Shannan asked him to go to cvs for lube and playing cards. Thanks for the insight, I had always assumed the cards were for drug use

Drug use? Lol just when I thought I knew everything! ; ))) Seriouslyly though...what are they used for in drug use? I never claimed to be right it was just what I immediately thought...u might very well be on to something. please explain!

 

[Justiceforever]

I don't have any sort of idea or theory about what happened to Shannan. However, I do have the following to share:

It was reported that she was dressed in skinny jeans. These jeans were supposedly not on her body when it was found. I recall reading earlier in this thread that LE claimed she either took the jeans off as she ran through the area in which she was found, or the jeans fell off as she ran.

I wear skinny jeans on a regular basis. One could run a marathon in them, and they would not simply fall off unless they were 15 sizes too big. I doubt Shannan was wearing jeans that were 15 sizes too big, so IMO, it's impossible for them to simply fall off. I also don't believe that she took them off as she ran. If she was running, then she believed that she was pressed for time. Taking skinny jeans off while running is not an easy thing, and it doesn't make sense for her to do this if she was trying to escape. ü
If you don't believe me, just grab a pair of skinny jeans and try it. Trust me, it is very difficult.

You have a point! ; )