Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call #2

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Did you ever ask yourself, why was anyone chasing her? So why didn't Brewer just call the police or an ambulance and get her out of HIS house? Why did Pak follow her in the car when he said he didn't want to see the police?

Also, Shannan was very coherent on the 911 call. She tried to conceal from Brewer and Pak that she was on the phone. She told 911 she didn't know where she was, and asked them to locate her. The only thing that was counterintuitive was her calling police when she had serious charges pending. She was trying to save her own life.

MOO
She didn't try to conceal it at all. She wasnt whispering. She repeated there's somebody after me 5x in a pretty normal volume with brewer there.

This sounds like someone that's in danger trying to conceal the call.

 
No explanation, because I didn’t think it was “weird”. I think they were trying to get her out of the client’s house while she was having a major paranoid episode, but they were trying to do it without calling the police OR laying hands on her. All the weirdness came from her paranoia.

I don’t know what you mean by people trying to “capture” her, since she was already in the house. The call is very long, and a lot of it her repeating the same things over and over; two adult men could have overpowered her and gotten the phone away from her pretty much immediately instead of trying to talk her into (what?) for so long, if they had actual violent intent.
Umm, because they knew she was on the phone, they didn't overpower her. Except something happened when she screamed then bolted.

Why wouldn't Brewer call the police? He could say she was his guest, but she's overstayed her welcome and won't leave. Unlike Shannan, with serious charges pending, Brewer had nothing to fear of the police. They wouldn't be able to prove he's a John. Shannan would have to admit to selling sex to accuse him of buying it.

See how his story does not make sense? It was his house. He should have just told the police his address and told them to get her out, if that's what he wanted. He had every right. Why would he not want the police? According to his and Pak's stories, he just met her and Pak that night. Why would he be invested in keeping them safe from LE, especially after SHE dialed, and he was the homeowner with the right to kick her out?

MOO
 
Also, Shannan was very coherent on the 911 call.

Your characterization of her sounding coherent and “professional” in the call have me wondering if we were listening to the same thing. She’s mumbling incomprehensibly at the very beginning, and after that it’s just a lot of repeating the same non-info and occasionally saying “huh?” to the operator.
 
It would have took the police 30 mins+ to get to brewers house. He would also be calling police on himself he just had sex worker over. Was doing illegal drugs with her and now she's freaking out in his bathroom. Plus the optics to have the cops at your house at 4:30 am to evict a sex worker. Not the long island thing to call the cops for something like that. He called pak to get her out which is the right move. Colleti saw pak but not until after she ran off. THERE WAS NO ONE THERE WHEN SHE RAN FROM COLLETI. He asked her " wait where are you going". If someone was there when she ran from.colleti he would have seen them too and told the cops. He said an Asian man in a a black suv drove by. But that was after she ran off. Why would she run when she was already safe with him? Because like my freinds cousin. She was seeing things. And illegal gun for someone who's already a felon would have landed pak in prison for possibly 10 years. It'd not absurd that he went looking for her. That is his job as her driver whom she worked with before. This wasn't their first rodeo. After he lost sight of her, he left before the cops got there and locked him up. I would have done the same thing. I tried to take you home. You ran off I tried to find you. I couldn't. The cops are on the way and i got a 10 year sentence on me. I'm sorry but im out. He probably figured shes been around the block she will find her way home. These are the rules of the streets unfortunately.
She sounded out of it in the call. Far from professional in my opinion. She didnt name one specific thing that she saw take place. She kept repeating different things over and over. Couldn't even tell the dispatcher her age at one point.
Shannan was the most vulnerable legally. If she took drugs, she took drugs. Unless she admits to selling sex, nobody bought sex.
 
Your characterization of her sounding coherent and “professional” in the call have me wondering if we were listening to the same thing. She’s mumbling incomprehensibly at the very beginning, and after that it’s just a lot of repeating the same non-info and occasionally saying “huh?” to the operator.
She's trying not to get caught on the phone at first.
 
Umm, because they knew she was on the phone, they didn't overpower her. Except something happened when she screamed then bolted.

Why wouldn't Brewer call the police? He could say she was his guest, but she's overstayed her welcome and won't leave. Unlike Shannan, with serious charges pending, Brewer had nothing to fear of the police. They wouldn't be able to prove he's a John. Shannan would have to admit to selling sex to accuse him of buying it.

See how his story does not make sense? It was his house. He should have just told the police his address and told them to get her out, if that's what he wanted. He had every right. Why would he not want the police? According to his and Pak's stories, he just met her and Pak that night. Why would he be invested in keeping them safe from LE, especially after SHE dialed, and he was the homeowner with the right to kick her out?

MOO
Just a theory, but Brewer may have called police as a form of damage control. He probably wanted to downplay the seriousness of the situation and discourage LE from asking too many questions. I suspect Shannan figured this out and knew LE weren’t going to be of much help. She was a SW and knew LE sometimes blames women in her situation for problems that arise. That’s probably why she took off. If the police came, they might try to arrest her instead. She likely wanted to get out of Oak Beach.
 
Shannan was the most vulnerable legally. If she took drugs, she took drugs. Unless she admits to selling sex, nobody bought sex.
You think shanna being a sex worker is worse than Pak being a FELON in the possesion of a likely stolen pistol? She's In and out in 7 hours with a court date he's looking st 7 to 10 years in prison.
 
Just a theory, but Brewer may have called police as a form of damage control. He probably wanted to downplay the seriousness of the situation and discourage LE from asking too many questions. I suspect Shannan figured this out and knew LE weren’t going to be of much help. She was a SW and knew LE sometimes blames women in her situation for problems that arise. That’s probably why she took off. If the police came, they might try to arrest her instead. She likely wanted to get out of Oak Beach.
I agree that Shannan had reason to fear the police. Brewer did not if what he says is true. (He wanted her out of his home.) Pak didn't. The police wouldn't have reason to search for his gun. He would just need it out of sight. Shannan had serious unresolved legal issues. Something scared her more than arrest.

MOO
 
You think shanna being a sex worker is worse than Pak being a FELON in the possesion of a likely stolen pistol? She's In and out in 7 hours with a court date he's looking st 7 to 10 years in prison.
Yes, I do. Her presence there, her accusations were a major threat to some influential citizens of that community . JMO. They didn’t want scandal.
 
You think shanna being a sex worker is worse than Pak being a FELON in the possesion of a likely stolen pistol? She's In and out in 7 hours with a court date he's looking st 7 to 10 years in prison.
1) Pak could drive away without looking for her. 2) Pak could hide his pistol in his car. He's not vulnerable. He also claims he only transported Shannan within NY.

Shannan has a serious prostitution drug ring court date coming up. She's already out on recog or bail (I forgot which). She's not looking at a few hours this time.

MOO.
 
Might be helpful if these two threads were somehow combined. There are posts there that are informative.


 
1) Pak could drive away without looking for her. 2) Pak could hide his pistol in his car. He's not vulnerable. He also claims he only transported Shannan within NY.

Shannan has a serious prostitution drug ring court date coming up. She's already out on recog or bail (I forgot which). She's not looking at a few hours this time.

MOO.
So, she was taking big risks in calling police that night.
 
You think shanna being a sex worker is worse than Pak being a FELON in the possesion of a likely stolen pistol? She's In and out in 7 hours with a court date he's looking st 7 to 10 years in prison.

She was a co-defendant in a case against Joseph Ruis... she was set to testify in that case just before she went missing. That carries weight, imo.
 
1) Pak could drive away without looking for her. 2) Pak could hide his pistol in his car. He's not vulnerable. He also claims he only transported Shannan within NY.

Shannan has a serious prostitution drug ring court date coming up. She's already out on recog or bail (I forgot which). She's not looking at a few hours this time.

MOO.
If they wanted to take her out for the they would have in the city. Where they could have paid any bum gangster 10k and he would have shot her dead for no reason. It happens in the city everyday.

They wouldn't set up this elaborate story with a fake John in a 250 person community 50 miles away on long island. Driving past dozens of street cameras. Then hang out with the fake John for 3 hours and allow her to call 911 for 23 minutes. Think about it. These are street criminals we are talking about here not the CIA.
 
I disagree that Shannan was not behaving rationally. But it is irrelevant, to a degree. Brewer and Pak were acting very strangely. They did not act like people either trying to get rid of/away from Shannan or like people trying to get her help. They acted like people trying to gain her trust and capture her. How do you explain their weird behavior?

MOO
And....they were role playing. They knew she was on with 911. Creating a facade was their plan with 911.

If Pak really wanted to help like he said, all he simply had to do was tell SG the address or take the phone and give 911 the address.
Which he refused to do....
 
And....they were role playing. They knew she was on with 911. Creating a facade was their plan with 911.

If Pak really wanted to help like he said, all he simply had to do was tell SG the address or take the phone and give 911 the address.
Which he refused to do....
Why does he need the cops there?
Hes a felon and his job is to get shannon home. Not help the cops arrest them both.
 
And....they were role playing. They knew she was on with 911. Creating a facade was their plan with 911.

If Pak really wanted to help like he said, all he simply had to do was tell SG the address or take the phone and give 911 the address.
Which he

Pak and Brewer created a gaslight conversation for the benefit of 911.
Way too complicated. If they really wanted her dead they would've let her go that night and caught up with her another time when it's less obvious and they haven't been accused on a 911 call. Of course they didn't want cops there but they weren't trying to kill her IMO.
 
Shannan Gilbert was in Manhattan on the night of Friday, April 30, 2010.
Joseph Brewer was 2 hours away in Oak Beach.

To drive from midtown manhattan to Oak Beach is 2 hours. To drive back from Oak Beach to Manhattan is 2 hours. 4 hours total travel time.
Plus Pak's cut.
IF they're working independently - which only Pak claims.

Shannan Gilbert got a call at 11pm on a Friday night from a man she'd never met before asking her to invest 4 hours of travel time into an outcall?

Joseph Brewer is lonely on a Friday night and instead of choosing from the 100s of outcall ads listed on multiple online platforms all within a 30 minute radius from him, he decides on Shannan, a girl he'd never met who is 2 hours away from him in Manhattan?

It simply does not make sense.
Shannan and Pak had been to Suffolk County before.
They had been to Oak Beach before.
This was not Brewer's first interaction with Shannan or Pak.

But Shannan was not there just to deliver sex.
Shannan and Pak were still working for Joseph Ruis.

Shannan Gilbert had been arrested in 2007/2008 in NJ while working as an escort for one of Ruis' services.
Michael Pak also worked for this man.
Alex Diaz also worked for this man.

Ruis was not running a simple escort service.
Hudson County PO investigated him for a year, starting in 2008, before obtaining a warrant to raid his multiple businesses and homes.
On June 30, 2009, the HCPO arrested and charged Joseph Ruis with first-degree money laundering,
N.J.S.A. 2C:21-25;
third-degree promoting prostitution, N.J.S.A. 2C:34-1b(2);
third-degree conspiracy to promote prostitution and distribute cocaine, N.J.S.A. 2C:5-2, N.J.S.A. 2C:34-1b(2), N.J.S.A. 2C:35-5a(1), and N.J.S.A. 2C:35-5b(1);
and first-degree leading a narcotics trafficking network, N.J.S.A. 2C:35-3.

Shannan Gilbert was his co-defendent.

2007/2008
Gilbert arrested while working for Ruis.

2008
Hudson County Prosecutors Office begins investigation into Ruis.

2009
Ruis is arrested and makes cash bail.

2010
April: Trial is set for June, Ruis arraigned. Free till trial.

May: Shannan, listed as co-defendant, goes to OB and is never found alive.

June: Ruis pleads down and is out in 2 years.

Go back to 2007/2008 when Shannan was arrested in the prostitution sting working for Joseph Ruis in NJ.

It's at that time that Hudson County PO is beginning a large investigation into Ruis.
Shannan is listed as his codefendent.

Read the charges again.

Ruis was not running a simple escort service.
He was running 3 prostitution rings, limo services and other shell businesses.

Escorts and drivers - these are his employees.
Sex and cocaine - these are his goods and services.

Shannan Gilbert: employed as an escort by Ruis.
Pak and Diaz: employed as drivers by Ruis.
This is literally how the three met.

The third official charge against Ruis as stated by HCPO is conspiracy to promote prostitution and distribute cocaine. This charge is separate from his second charge of promoting prostitution.
The last official charge as stated by HCPO is leading a narcotics trafficking network in the first degree.

Shannan was directly involved in this case. She disappeared one month before it was scheduled.

If Shannan Gilbert was working with NJ in order to get out of the mess she was in on the case against Ruis, NJ would have her working whatever Ruis' business set up.
If that business (which was prostitution and cocaine, package deal) happened to lead to Suffolk County, to people in Suffolk County involved in law and politics, and on that particular night, to Oak Beach, then NJ is in a bad spot. Their intention was not to open a can of worms on Suffolk County. They wanted Ruis.
But Ruis led to Suffolk. And Shannan was HCPO's CI.
I used to think it was Ruis who, out on cash bail at the time, set Shannan up when she went out to OB that night.

But I think she was supplying for multiple places in Suffolk County, and Oak Beach was not a weird job - she was familiar with it.

Shannan wouldnt have had just a target on her back from just Ruis.
She would have had a target on her back from literally anyone who
she'd done business with while working for Ruis.
Anyone who had something to lose when the information came out during the trial.
Like who?
Pick any POI in OB who had any connection to someone in power in SC.
Pick any of the names that have come up in Suffolk County as participating in ethically questionable recreations. Law enforcement, judges, politicians.

If Shannan was scheduled to testify the next month at Ruis' trial and that testimony implicated Ruis OR any of Ruis' clients in Oak Beach or greater Suffolk County, and it was leaked that she was working w the prosecution, she's a walking target.

Idk if Pak or Shannan arranged the trip.
It could've been arranged through Ruis' agency.
But it wasnt the first time Shannan or Pak heard the words Oak Beack and Brewer was not some random john.

She went there like she had many times before for Ruis - to drop off cocaine, possibly provide sex.

This time, a month away from a trial that could implicate ALOT of people, someone was there to keep her from getting to the Ruis trial.

And the next month, there was no trial. Ruis lawyer's made a deal, no details of the investigation came out, and that was that.

Maybe that's why this 911 call is taking so long.
If Shannan was working for New Jersy's case against Ruis and uncovered a big problem in Suffolk County...generally speaking, LE is going to try to avoid involving an entire different county's LE in a case.

Maybe Shannan was trying to explain to a dispatcher that she was working for the NJ Prosecutors Office on a job in Oak Beach in which she was booked to deliver cocaine and sexual services as part of an immunity deal in a case against a guy in NJ for which she is listed as a co-defendant that is scheduled for a month from now and she got made and they're trying to kill me.

Maybe.
The scenario you outlined so well also reminds of a podcast I listed to that mentioned that Joseph Brewer implied he was also throwing a party or at least one friend over when he contacted Shannan and asked her to join him in OB. Perhaps corresponding to the information you outlined this unnamed friend was Ruis.

Just my own speculation and could be wrong.

Also, if Ruis was out on bail then I wish LEO had offered Shannan some type of protection. I only say this because her personal safety could have been put in jeopardy if her status as CI for the prosecution became known to Ruis, who already knew where she and her boyfriend lived, knew many of her clients and where they were located and exerted control over how much money Shannan, Pak and her boyfriend could bring home. Unfortunately, through his sex trafficking rings he probably had access to a vast network of clients and other sex workers that could keep tabs on all three and lure them into a precarious or sinister situation.

Sorry for the ramble! It was just a thought I had.
 

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