Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call

[White_Rabbit]

I believe that the resistance to releasing Shannan Gilbert’s 911 phone call recording has less to do with fear of possible criminal culpability on the part of Law Enforcement and more to do with fear of possible civil liability on the part of Law Enforcement. There were mistakes made in that 911 call that ultimately cost Shannan Gilbert her life.

Joseph Brewer and Michael Pak are implicated in Shannan Gilbert’s death, we cannot trust what they’re telling us, and perhaps the 911 recording will validate or invalidate their stories.

We don’t need the 911 recording to validate to us that Shannan was in fear for her life. The witness statements from Gus Colleti and Barbara Brennan alone tell us that.

Whatever is discovered in the release of the 911 recording will not negate the fact that Shannan Gilbert was in fear for her life inside Joseph Brewer’s house, she fled down the road begging for help from 911 and anyone she could come into contact with.

It will not negate the fact that the last reported sighting of her was in the immediate vicinity of Peter Hackett’s house.

It will not negate the fact that Michael Pak left Oak Beach without Shannan Gilbert, and without giving any information to Law Enforcement regarding what happened.

It will not negate the fact that Peter Hackett contacted Mari Gilbert regarding Shannan’s whereabouts and well-being, or that he told Mari Gilbert that he had Shannan Gilbert in his care at one point that morning.

It will not negate the fact that Peter Hackett nearly admitted to 48 Hours that he had medically treated Shannan Gilbert that morning.

It will not negate the fact that Shannan Gilbert’s belongings were found in the immediate vicinity of Peter Hackett’s house, and her body found in the marsh behind Peter Hackett’s house.

The circumstantial evidence all points toward the two people who last saw Shannan Gilbert alive, Peter Hackett and Michael Pak.

I believe that that makes more sense than Shannan Gilbert running from Barbara Brennan’s house into the marsh behind Peter Hackett’s house and straight into the clutches of Unsub who just happened to be there at that time.

 

[LR1]

Multiple squads were rolling up in this one way in and one way out community within 10 minutes of Mrs. B's 911 call with Shannan being alive but not so well, they would've had a vehicle description from Gus who made his own call minutes earlier yet these idiots manage to pull off a murder and body disposal with nobody seeing or hearing anything? After all the commotion? Please.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Multiple squads were rolling up in this one way in and one way out community within 10 minutes of Mrs. B's 911 call with Shannan being alive but not so well, they would've had a vehicle description from Gus who made his own call minutes earlier yet these idiots manage to pull off a murder and body disposal with nobody seeing or hearing anything? After all the commotion? Please.

The real shame of it now is that the only way we can find out what really happened is if a new witness comes forward, new evidence is discovered or either Michael Pak or Peter Hackett crack, which doesn’t seem likely. They’ve both been disposed under oath by John Ray.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

I believe that the resistance to releasing Shannan Gilbert’s 911 phone call recording has less to do with fear of possible criminal culpability on the part of Law Enforcement and more to do with fear of possible civil liability on the part of Law Enforcement. There were mistakes made in that 911 call that ultimately cost Shannan Gilbert her life.

Joseph Brewer and Michael Pak are implicated in Shannan Gilbert’s death, we cannot trust what they’re telling us, and perhaps the 911 recording will validate or invalidate their stories.

We don’t need the 911 recording to validate to us that Shannan was in fear for her life. The witness statements from Gus Colleti and Barbara Brennan alone tell us that.

Whatever is discovered in the release of the 911 recording will not negate the fact that Shannan Gilbert was in fear for her life inside Joseph Brewer’s house, she fled down the road begging for help from 911 and anyone she could come into contact with.

It will not negate the fact that the last reported sighting of her was in the immediate vicinity of Peter Hackett’s house.

It will not negate the fact that Michael Pak left Oak Beach without Shannan Gilbert, and without giving any information to Law Enforcement regarding what happened.

It will not negate the fact that Peter Hackett contacted Mari Gilbert regarding Shannan’s whereabouts and well-being, or that he told Mari Gilbert that he had Shannan Gilbert in his care at one point that morning.

It will not negate the fact that Peter Hackett nearly admitted to 48 Hours that he had medically treated Shannan Gilbert that morning.

It will not negate the fact that Shannan Gilbert’s belongings were found in the immediate vicinity of Peter Hackett’s house, and her body found in the marsh behind Peter Hackett’s house.

The circumstantial evidence all points toward the two people who last saw Shannan Gilbert alive, Peter Hackett and Michael Pak.

I believe that that makes more sense than Shannan Gilbert running from Barbara Brennan’s house into the marsh behind Peter Hackett’s house and straight into the clutches of Unsub who just happened to be there at that time.

The conveyance of fear on the 911 call, as John Ray has claimed there is, is significant for the simple reason that it directly contradicts SCPD’s official statement re: the contents of the call: that she was calm and not frightened at any point during the call. In other words, SCPD went on record and lied about that, unless John Ray is lying.

 

[White_Rabbit]

The conveyance of fear on the 911 call, as John Ray has claimed there is, is significant for the simple reason that it directly contradicts SCPD’s official statement re: the contents of the call: that she was calm and not frightened at any point during the call. In other words, SCPD went on record and lied about that, unless John Ray is lying.

My money is on John Ray is telling the truth and the SCPD is lying.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

Again, so SCPD lied to the public about a very significant part of the contents of the call, and are still to this day preventing its release to the public. It sure makes it at least look like they are hiding something. Whether or not it it’s because they don’t want it to come out looking like they are a bunch of keystone cops, or whether or not it implicates them in some other way, or whether or not a whole slew of names of specific individuals are thrown the way of 911 dispatch by SG, or whatever the reasons...

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

They have been hiding something...for a LONG time.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Again, so SCPD lied to the public about a very significant part of the contents of the call, and are still to this day preventing its release to the public. It sure makes it at least look like they are hiding something. Whether or not it it’s because they don’t want it to come out looking like they are a bunch of keystone cops, or whether or not it implicates them in some other way, or whether or not a whole slew of names of specific individuals are thrown the way of 911 dispatch by SG, or whatever the reasons...

They’re probably worried about some type of civil liability on top of looking like keystone cops in such a high profile case.

 

[WINDSOR]

Excellent summation and theorizing, White Rabbit.

Multiple squads were rolling up in this one way in and one way out community within 10 minutes of Mrs. B's 911 call with Shannan being alive but not so well, they would've had a vehicle description from Gus who made his own call minutes earlier yet these idiots manage to pull off a murder and body disposal with nobody seeing or hearing anything? After all the commotion? Please.

The statement you make about multiple squads rolling in to Oak Beach is incorrect. AFIK, only one LE officer arrived at Oak Beach, made a cursory inspection and left. If you you have different or more detailed info, please share.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Thank you Windsor.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Please could anyone let me know of a thread that concentrates on the Gilgo Beach 4.

 

[LR1]

The statement you make about multiple squads rolling in to Oak Beach is incorrect. AFIK, only one LE officer arrived at Oak Beach, made a cursory inspection and left. If you you have different or more detailed info, please share.

Varrone lays out the timeline and scene in the first 15 minutes or so.

 

[White_Rabbit]

I moved to the thread Gilgo Beach 4 Only (GB4) to discuss my theory and Unsub.

 

[WINDSOR]

Varrone lays out the timeline and scene in the first 15 minutes or so.

It is obvious based on this ex-SCPD officer's explanation that it is Shannan's fault.

 

[LR1]

It is obvious based on this ex-SCPD officer's explanation that it is Shannan's fault.

One might look at it that way. You could also see it as him, they, setting emotions aside and making a reasonable, I want to say determination but because the case is still open I'll use the word assumption, based both on the evidence and lack there of. Which is exactly what you want them to do.

 

[WINDSOR]

One might look at it that way. You could also see it as him, they, setting emotions aside and making a reasonable, I want to say determination but because the case is still open I'll use the word assumption, based both on the evidence and lack there of. Which is exactly what you want them to do.

If the SCPD had a sterling reputation, I might be more apt to accept your view.
I did not listen to the whole interview, because I found neither the questions or the answers very inciteful.
BTW
**Who is Bob Brewer the detective is referring to? From MSM Joseph Brewer was the name given to the home owner who hired Shannan.
**The detective's implication the Shannan rejected safety at Barbara Brennan's house is wrong, Barbara never answered the door.
**Setting emotions aside, with this reasonable determination made by the Chief of Detectives, why is the case not closed, and the 911 tape released?

 

[White_Rabbit]

If the SCPD had a sterling reputation, I might be more apt to accept your view.
I did not listen to the whole interview, because I found neither the questions or the answers very inciteful.
BTW
**Who is Bob Brewer the detective is referring to? From MSM Joseph Brewer was the name given to the home owner who hired Shannan.
**The detective's implication the Shannan rejected safety at Barbara Brennan's house is wrong, Barbara never answered the door.
**Setting emotions aside, with this reasonable determination made by the Chief of Detectives, why is the case not closed, and the 911 tape released?

I also noted the mention of “Bob” Brewer. SCPD’s own Medical Examiner determined the cause of death to be “misadventure”. If that is so then why is it still an active investigation? Peter Hackett knows much more than he’s letting on, and so does Michael Pak.

 

[goodfellas]

On May 2, 2010 Alex Diaz and Pak called Brewer. It was agreed that Diaz would go to Brewer
house to find Shannan. As soon as Diaz hung up with Brewer, he called 911 and told scpd
they better come to his house imeiately becuase the boyfriend was headed to oak beach.
Scpd, and Brewer went to Coletti's house to STRATEGIZE against the boyfriend.
When Alex got to Oak Beach, Brewer suggested they make a missing person report,
and the scpd laughted them out of the station, all because, the police brewer and coletti
schemed before Alex got to oak beach.

Gee how come dominick varrone didn't mention that? huh?

 

[goodfellas]

Scpd and Brewer went to coletti's house to strategize and scheme how to handle an angry Alex Diaz
looking for Shannnan on May 2, 2010. hardy har har to you Dominick Varrone.

The police coached Brewer, and Coletti = don't you get it?

 

[WINDSOR]

Scpd and Brewer went to coletti's house to strategize and scheme how to handle an angry Alex Diaz
looking for Shannnan on May 2, 2010. hardy har har to you Dominick Varrone.

The police coached Brewer, and Coletti = don't you get it?

This information, seems to imply that
a) The SCPD were aware and assisting or complicit with Brewer, rather than investigating him and his activities.
b) That by being able to contact and meet with the SCPD at Coletti's home, Brewer was not in fear of the SCPD involvement.
c) Brewer must have some sort of 'influence or relationship' with the SCPD, as it is rare LE is at a civilian's beck and call. The usual response is 'come down to the station'.