Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt1

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Hallo All,

Been kinda re-looking at things. I don't know whether it was said here or not, but I found this:

http://www.mocountyillinois.com/
>>The father was working an overnight shift as a security guard for Joyce Meyers Ministry in St. Louis, according to a neighbor, who added he believed the mother worked as a waitress at a restaurant possibly in St. Louis. <<

She was a waitress maybe? Certainly if she was, someone is talking about her from work? Wonder if anyone can find someone who worked with her talking on the web? Might her husband have suspected that she might be having a relationship and/or saving up money to move away, might he have been exceedingly jealous -- maybe that was behind a plan?

Hmmm what is this and where did this info come from? The camera was aimed at the "mailbox?"
>>Their guard must have been up, given unspecified recent threats serious enough for them to notify police and aim a camera on the house at the mailbox. <<

If the camera was aimed at the mailbox, then it wasn't aimed at something else that might have been a problem to someone trying to get away with something?

Also this:
>>Leveque said she took her trash out and checked her mail about 1:30 a.m. Tuesday, just hours before the bodies were found. "I never saw anything," the 47-year-old said.<<

Someone in the neighborhood was up at 1:30AM and didn't see anything -- oh and it was obviously trash day coming.

This page says:
>>A law enforcement source said Coleman told investigators he had left home about 5:30 a.m. ... The source also said that someone had painted the words, "I told you this would happen," on a wall inside the house. There was no further explanation of its meaning. <<

Hmmm, although I know that someone who might have been threatening might put that on a wall (if that is true), it also seems that maybe a pissed off or jealous husband who thought his wife was leaving him and just found out about it might too, i.e. "If you even try to leave, your going to wake up and find yourself dead" kinda thing. To be honest this "I told you this would happen" (if it is true), really seems personal -- but I'd like to see the so-called threats and what they said.

Hmmm the threats...
>>Chris Coleman called from a gym and asked a Columbia police officer who had investigated "prior threats" related to the family for the check around 7 a.m. Tuesday, said Maj. Jeff Connor, a deputy commander of the major case squad of greater St. Louis. ... Connor declined to discussed details about the alleged threats. Some neighbors in the well-kept subdivision have also said the Colemans received threatening letters and that their mailbox was tampered with in the past week. <<

Also, I'm not sure we talked about the lake behind their house? It just hit me like a ton of bricks today -- I hadn't seen it.

Can a person swim in that or quietly kayak in it or snorkel? If they did, wouldn't they want a good scrub at a gym afterwards? Could the murderer have used the lake for leaving a crime scene, dumping murder weapons, etc. Has the lake been dredged for clues, or the shores been searched?

K-9 would be dog handlers?
>>An online posting on Classmates.com by Chris Coleman of the Class of '95 said he was in the Marines until 1999 as a K-9 military police officer and met his wife at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, where she was an Air Force K-9 officer.<<

So what would a murderer who might also have been a K-9 handler know about scents and protect themselves from? i.e. if they thought dogs might be brought in on a situation that they didn't want to be caught at, what would that dog handler do? So if dogs were brought in, the scent stops at the lake (one could say, "but the kids and I were fishing there the other day or playing or ??") And what's with the report of rolling around on the lawn -- did this REALLY happen at some point?

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/757572.html
>>Neighbors called police Tuesday morning after they spotted Coleman yelling, crying and rolling on the lawn outside the two-story home, which overlooks a lake in the Columbia Lakes subdivision.<<

I don't get it -- did the police find the bodies or did the husband find the bodies? And...we can see that it has evidently been reported that neighbors saw this "rolling" -- and I have to tell you that the "rolling" seems SO strange that it seems "deliberate" (maybe even an afterthought, oops, forgot this...kinda thing). Could rolling on the lawn get a certain scent on you or off you or -- what purpose would that serve? Is it possible that the grass could have been treated with something in advance, something that would confuse a dog trying to scent for something?

If this was a "plan" -- I don't think any particular move was not "thought out" and "deliberate" -- but I suspect that if this "was" a plan, a beat was missed and someone is going to catch it.

I keep seeing the front of the house, but what about the back of the house? What about the lake, what about the edges of the lake. Also, just how is it that this occurred on trash day (above ref about neighbor who took out their trash -- seems kinda convenient.) Okay, so the police went through the trash...I hoped they also told the trash company to make sure that this particular neighborhood trash was dumped somewhere that could be further searched.

Also...was the father's driver's seat of this car OR this car searched for "lake smells" or "lake" material?

Loose thoughts ... I'm betting LE has so much more but they are dotting i's and crossing t's.

W
 
Was this just his scheduled day off or did he take the day off? Do we know that yet?
 
Further thoughts...

Where are the dogs? Where are the dogs? If this is a mystery, then just where are the dogs?

W
 
Wrinkles, good thought about the message on the wall. It could be a very accurate statement coming from a husband who may have made prior threats of violence against his wife.

And what's the deal with the neighbors calling LE about Chris rolling around on the ground? LE says they got there first, wouldn't the neighbors have seen that LE was already there?
 
Since we heard he called the cops first, maybe he called the cop neighbor to check on them and the other neighbors called 911 when he was rolling around on the ground. I hope he didn't do this or have someone else do it and just didn't want to be the one to discover it.
 
Hello Kristens1223,

Good question...was this a scheduled day off? Somebody knows :)

And another question, just what kind of "ugly" goes after a guy's wife and kids, instead of them, if they are angry at the person due to their work (security, ref: threats due to work.) Isn't there a profile for this type of killing? Does this fit the bill?

There is really something smelly about the call to an investigator who had been checking out threats -- that call was made at 7AM, dang that is EARLY!

If I were that investigator, I would be about really angry at this time wondering if I had been used.

W
 
The comments on the articles on the St Louis Post site, stltoday.com are interesting. There are a lot of comments.

Several struck me. One from someone who knew/grew up with Chris in Chester, said
"Chester_Yellow_Jackets May 7, 2009 11:02AM CST
This is very sad.I went to Chester High School with Chris,I cant begin to believe he has anything to do with this.He comes from a good family.I havent seen Chris in years but I heard he is all Jacked up and works out now.In school he was always a lil dude.This whole thing has freaked me out and I keep watching for an update or an arrest.I just hope it wont be Coleman."

"Lil dude" - makes me wonder if he is/has been using steroids?

Also some interesting posts from a neighbor.

"luckyone40 May 7, 2009 10:54AM CST
The police are looking for something, I live right around the corner from this house and when they came and questioned all of the neighbors they did say to be on the lookout for something. I don't want to say what it is since the investigation is ongoing but the police told us we were not in danger so I am assuming they have a suspect. My husband leaves for work at 5 am and he did not see anything. I get up up at 5:45 and it is light out and let the dogs out at 6:15 and I have a direct view of their house and did not notice anything strange then or when I left for work at 6:40 am. My son is at the bus stop at 7:10 and the police and ambulance where there at that time. I just think that something is not right, my other neighbor saw the husband in his yard with his kids on Monday night when he went to the store and the husband waved to my neighbor like he knew him for 20 years and my neighbor said he has never waved to him before. I have a full view of their backyard and they have a walkout basement with windows and a patio door and the glass is not broken on either one. The police were examining the window for a long time on Tuesday and now they have police tape on both the window and patio door. This has my whole family freaked out, my kids are always out playing and I have never worried about anything living in this peaceful subdivision. I really think that they know who did it but are just waiting until they have everything pieced together before they make the arrest."

"luckyone40 May 7, 2009 1:17PM CST
Another thing, we had our windows wide open that night/morning. I woke up at 5 am right after my husband left to go to the bathroom and did not fall back alseep right away. I didn't hear anything either. I would think that if someone was breaking into a house that their would be dogs barking, especially the doberman that lives in the house next door to them."

Someone asked luckyone40 to clarify if police asking for a specific item

"luckyone40 May 7, 2009 1:33PM CST
Yes, they did say to be on the lookout for something specific either in our lake or while out walking around. It was never released to the press but I am sure that was what they were looking for along 255."

In other posts, comments, people have mentioned that police where on the Mississippi River bridge on I255 yesterday or last night, not sure when, didn't have traffic stopped, but were on sides of bridge looking for something. The speculation is a spray paint can. Luckyone40 has not said exactly if this is what LE was asking about, but, other posters have said this.
 
More comments by luckyone40 - I am bringing these here, because, I think they are interesting to discuss and have. The Post has a tendency to sometimes edit comments and I wanted to save these.

"uckyone40 May 7, 2009 1:56PM CST
Since this phase of the subdivision is somewhat new, no there are no trees and if there are shrubs they are very small. The victims house has a tree on the lake in the back but when they had a policeman posted out there Tuesday you could clearly see him thru the tree. Also, yes a stranger would be noticed in the subdivision at that time in the morning and yes I would think if a stranger was coming out of that house it would be noticeable if it wasn't the husband because he is easily identifiable with his shaved head and goatee. When my husband came home on Tuesday and I showed him the news report he immediatly remembered the husband's car being parked in the driveway when he left at 5 am. The reason he noticed is when you turn the corner by our house and look ahead for cars coming down the road their driveway is in the direct line of view and if their SUV is parked there your view of the road is blocked."

"luckyone40 May 7, 2009 2:11PM CST
One other thing that is mentioned in the article there is a camera on a pole by the water tank at the entrance to the subdivision and I never knew it was there until I saw the article. This would have worked out well about a month ago when this was the only entrance to the subdivision but now there are two entrances. I did not know the new road was open and I am not sure that many other people other than those that live in the subdivision or those that drive on Old Rt. 3 would know that it is open."

"luckyone40 May 7, 2009 2:28PM CST
My son rides the bus to school and he told me that Garett and Gavin did not ride the bus in the mornings so she must take them to school. The kids have to be at the school by 8 am to be in class on time. I would think that she would get them up at 7:15 or so and leave the house by 7:45 since it is 5 mintutes to the school. This is such a horrible, tragic thing that has happened and I still cannot comprehend that it happened basically in my backyard. I really hope that it is not the husband and that it is some physco that they catch really soon. I never thought that I would ever have to have the conversation that I did the other day with my 10 year old son. He was in Garett's class last year and was so upset when I told him what happened. I didn't know the family personally but they looked like any other all american family and the kids were always outside on their trampoline with friends over. It breaks my heart every time I look out there now."
 
Medusa, thank you! Those comments really paint a great picture.
 
Getting ready to watch the local news. On Stltoday they said there would be a presser at 4:30 to answer some quesitions, but no new info, but no one seems to have it up yet.

ETA
From ksdk 5 pm news - presser did not annouce arrest, no new news, back at home, searching again, are tight lipped about what they know so far. But, they still are asking for anyone who knew the family to call them to talk to them. Spoke to brother today, just talked about funeral arrangements. Funeral is on Saturday and is private. Asking for prayers. No further comments (that was his brother.) Claim they will have a new report at 6 tonight
 
New article on fox St Louis

COLUMBIA, IL (KTVI - FOX2now.com) - The investigation into a triple murder in Columbia, Illinois is now crossing state lines into Missouri. While there still is no named suspect in the killings of a mother and her two sons, police are confirming new information about the whereabouts of the man who lost his wife and children. Police now say Christopher Coleman was not working the night before his wife 31 year old Sheri, and sons 11 year old Garrett and 9 year old Gavin, were found dead inside their home."

More at link
 
Medusa said:
New article on fox St Louis

COLUMBIA, IL (KTVI - FOX2now.com) - The investigation into a triple murder in Columbia, Illinois is now crossing state lines into Missouri. While there still is no named suspect in the killings of a mother and her two sons, police are confirming new information about the whereabouts of the man who lost his wife and children. Police now say Christopher Coleman was not working the night before his wife 31 year old Sheri, and sons 11 year old Garrett and 9 year old Gavin, were found dead inside their home."

More at link
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In the article it states they is in armed guard at the previous home they lived at years ago. now that is really strange.:eek:
 
jnTexas said:
In the article it states they is in armed guard at the previous home they lived at years ago. now that is really strange.:eek:
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Really. And I believe it says there (or I saw it somewhere) that they didn't own the home, it was (is?) owned by JMM. I hope there is more coming out on this. Will be watching the local news at 6 and 10 to see if there really is something new as they claimed at 5.
 
Hello my bud SeriouslySearching,

>>I think the red flags are there in this case. We see it too frequently to let those clues pass by without a second look. Chris is acting very suspicious and the circumstances are mounting against him. For a man who owns a video surveillance company and is chief of security, his family appears to have been in the most danger from inside the home instead of from a stranger, imo.<<

Yeah, now that is strange, isn't it? If this family was being threatened and evil intended, why wasn't Chris nailed too -- or the only one nailed (since this was so-called job-related threats)? Were the threats just pointed at the family (I'd like to read what was received)? If so, why wouldn't Chris do "whatever was necessary" to guard his family or get them out of where they were until the person threatening was busted? We're talking a security guy here -- we're talking a trained guy here -- naive? ummmm....well ummm

>>(There goes his side business which sounds as if it was in jeopardy anyway and perhaps why they were in financial trouble. It also explains the items in his suv.)<<

Well, I wasn't smart enough to catch the items in the vehicle -- but could this side business have come along due to a jealousy and only wanting to watch one person? Maybe that is why the business bought equipment, but never generated any income (if that was the case.)

>>The threats against the family were said to be directed towards his association with Joyce Meyer Ministries. Evidently, LE was not able to substantiate those if one reads between the lines of what has been said in the past couple of days. It would not be the first time someone created a perceived threat before doing harm to others. Using JMM as the basis would suggest an element of a hate crime to add to the mix.<<

I can think of how someone, with a wicked twisted mind, could use their employment with this ministry to do their own wicked twisted workings (i.e. I am at risk because of my work with... -- spooky brain here). I think that in seeing these threats and how they were presented, we would have a whole lot more to go upon -- I don't think LE will release more info about those threats unless they think they need some help with them. My guess is they are already kinda clear about them.

But, was there no substantiation for threats? Can we really read between the lines?

>>As much as I dislike having to bring it up, but the threats and the writing on the wall could play into his defense later. People with true MPD/DID have been known to do such things with no knowledge.<<

Hope you are wrong :)

>>Altho, I won't be shocked if they were bound and gagged in some way to tie into the threat scenario.<<

Hadn't thought of that -- but it seems like it would play into this whole of what surely looks like some kind of plan.

We need more facts ... they will clear and/or stimulate our thinking.

W
 
Wrinkles said:
Further thoughts...

Where are the dogs? Where are the dogs? If this is a mystery, then just where are the dogs?

W
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What would the dogs be searching for? There are no missing victims. All the bodies are accounted for. If you are of the opinion that someone other than the husband (not buying that personally) the dogs can't track him if they don't have a scent article. And if this intruder left in a vehicle they wouldn't be able to track him far anyway. If he was in a vehicle they know which way he left.
 
From KSDK's 6 news, in which they promised new information:

They are reporting that the MCS was searching on the Jefferson Barracks Bridge but wouldn't say what looking for. Was just rumour, first report on news that I have heard.

Talking to neighbors about crime in their neighborhood.

More on funeral arrangements. Visitation is open to public, funeral is not. Father of Chris Coleman is the pastor of church where funerals will be held.

And beyond that, zip. Really nothing new. Yet.
 
Hello All,

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-9p-050609,0,4426293.story
>>Connor says Coleman has been interviewed, as a number of people have been, and he was released. "We don't have tabs on him or anything like that," says Connor.<<

Huh? If he is in danger why not? If he is a possible suspect why not?

And...
>>Major Case Squad detectives continued a search of the property Wednesday night. But the home on Robert Drive in Columbia is not the only home under surveillance. A home where the Coleman family lived three years ago in south St. Louis County was also under watch by an armed guard. That home, when the Colemans lived in it, was owned by Joyce Meier Ministries. That is Christopher Coleman's employer. He worked as a security guard.<<

Wuh? Why watching the former home?

This is where the whole thing gets more wierd :(

W
 
I find it very strange they have an armed guard at a house they lived in 3 years ago. Are they waiting for a search warrant? What could be the interest of LE in the house?

The article doesn't mention if someone else is living there now. Could the person who is living there just be paranoid someone may come to the wrong address and are afraid? Since it appears to be owned by JMM, I wonder if Chris knows them? Hmmm...

Connor says Coleman has been interviewed, as a number of people have been, and he was released. "We don't have tabs on him or anything like that," says Connor.

Major Case Squad detectives continued a search of the property Wednesday night. But the home on Robert Drive in Columbia is not the only home under surveillance. A home where the Coleman family lived three years ago in south St. Louis County was also under watch by an armed guard. That home, when the Colemans lived in it, was owned by Joyce Meier Ministries. That is Christopher Coleman's employer. He worked as a security guard.

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-9p-050609,0,4426293.story <<This has a video which shows the truck and man outside of the former house. Hmmm...doesn't look like LE unless he is undercover in which case...his cover has been blown by the neighbors. LOL

Here is another video showing a good arial of the current house and the lake behind it.:

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-columbia-050609,0,5967181.story
 
Is the former home being whatched now? Or was it being watched back when the Coleman's lived in it. The comments are both present and past tense.

ETA: thanks SS, I posted before seeing your above post. Well this is an interesting twist.
 
SuziQ said:
Is the former home being whatched now? Or was it being watched back when the Coleman's lived in it. The comments are both present and past tense.

ETA: thanks SS, I posted before seeing your above post. Well this is an interesting twist.
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Very interesting - and strange!
 
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