Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt9

[Kimster]

Well, my God, at the many faces of betrayal with the same horrifying look in common! Would these creatures have no feeling if these betrayals were done back to them. Before a huge case of forgiveness took root in me I used to long for my ex to get a really good dose of his own medicine that he'd all too generously heaped on me. Now I no longer want that and it's a good thing because I don't think it could ever happen. Hello! Is there anyone home in there? Such are the days of an everyday narcissist! I had a good friend, she and her DH were gonna move into a new home the very next day. He gave her a magnanimous (and final) poke in the woods in the old home and next day (moving day) he gave her the good news that his things were going to a completely different "new" home with a new woman and that she was left to move into the original "new" home with their 3 kids. Sayonara Sex! Flippin beautiful I tell ya!

And I'll bet new woman wouldn't have believed it if she'd watched the adulterous act on YouTube!

How do these kinds of people sleep at night is what I want to know!

 

[analytical]

A well known investigator once said, 'a good detective ALWAYS holds something back when confronting a subject.'

That seems to be the case for the pros as well.:waitasec:

Bet the def is dying to know IF the pros ALSO found the actual DVR and not just the face plate.:bang:

JMHO
fran

Well, uh, FRAN .. let's see - a neighbor posted on a message board of one of the newspapers that the "guts" of a camera had been found in the subdivision lake ... but that's not been corroborated - maybe one of those ridiculous rumors floating around that people seem to latch onto without thinking first or applying any logic to ... like the Saran wrap rumor ... just like your "theory" that the "guts" of the camera went in the Mississippi.

The lake and the Mississippi are a few miles apart.

Hmmm ...... so no one seems to know where that camera went.

 

[analytical]

snipped for heart of the matter -

Maybe the shouting was CC's rebel yell that he'd gotten r dun! Perhaps a self congratulatory whoop and holler for a job "finally" and "well" done! :furious:

x 10

 

[Reannan]

There was talk earlier about CC fixing supper the night before and it not being a normal thing for him to do.

If this is true, perhaps he was schmoozing his way into Sheri's good graces. I would not think that this how he would have brought up the subject of divorce. I doubt he ever did.

Remember Sheri was found naked, there has been no mention of sexual involvement. Is it possible that there was? Take it one step further, perhaps CC was trying to be romantic and put Sheri in a love making mood ... that would put Sheri in a very vulnerable position. I doubt that she had any idea about anything that CC was up to until the very end.

I haven't followed this case as closely as I would have liked to because of the Victoria Stafford and Nevaeh Buchannan threads, but my first thought with this was that he prepared something with some sort of sedative in it. As far as mental illness goes - not going to fly; unless that is the modern classification for evil.

 

[johnrodz]

Imo I'm thinking he was not thinking of them as his kids, but as SC's kids. It just seems everything that was done was with such anger towards her. It does not take long to think of much easier, gentler ways if a person wants to kill their families. A lot less drama, many things could appear to be an accident, why did this have to be so over the top with threatning letters etc? Were the letters also meant to instill fear into her months ago so he could feel like a cat playing with a mouse?

VB

I still can't stop thinking the threat letters were for another purpose, like getting her and the kids to move to a safe (far away) place so he could move TL closer. Not that it makes him any less a monster, but I still think he had not contemplated the murders before the eve of May 4th. The letters are the only piece of evidence that shows he might have planned the murders. Everything else shows he tried to cover it up after the fact.

Can anyone think of other evidence that might show he planned it before May 4th? JMO

 

[cleo612]

TL and CC shared a credit card. They could have started some type of savings plan somewhere. Safe deposit box maybe? Her mattress?

My guess is the money was being used to plan the wedding and get them all set up for their new life. I think TL knows where the money is or was spent.

I think either she knows, or RC knows.

 

[Reannan]

I will not be surprised to find out that some of the money was spent on drugs. This type of case just seems so insane, it just seems that there had to be some sort of drug use that helped with the decisions. Maybe not - that would be even scarier.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hey there Ginny,

Nice to see your good face!

By now, I'm sure LE has the IP address of every change made to SC's account just like they know exactly where they first threat letter originated.

Yes... I was going to bring up that pesky IP address thing in tandem with the thought of a trojan and keystroke logger -- thanks for doing that

But another thing... Can you just see the unauthorized change as a ninja trojan keystroke logger typing something like:

"You have missed your 'oppintunity' ..." (or however Chris misspelled that word

Ninja keystroke loggers know how to make the same misspullings of those who write so-called threats. :crazy:

Or as I [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3812580&postcount=1038"]pointed out in this post on May 30th in "note to self and investigators"[/ame] -- the word "traveling" was spelled wrong (unless the person doing the text in the SW made that error when transcribing from the so-called threat message.) As in...

>>I have warned you to stop traveling<<

Traveling should be "travelling." WOAH...stop everything, why haven't any of you busted me on this one, I have just revisited several dictionaries that also permit "traveling"!

BUT OH...OH OH OH OH... (A Horshack moment here!) Check this out...

>>Deny your God publically or else!<<

See that word "publically" -- should be "publicly." BUT... I now see that "publically" is a variant. Hmmm...

Hmmm...scratching head... I am revisiting page 8 here. I wonder if the text of the threats written on that SW page had their spelling a wee bit different than the ninja threatmeister originally wrote it (spelled it).

Back to the drawing board on this one... BUT, we can all see that there can be crossmatches of spellings (variants) that connect people's documents to their so-called threats.

 

[pres101]

I still can't stop thinking the threat letters were for another purpose, like getting her and the kids to move to a safe (far away) place so he could move TL closer. Not that it makes him any less a monster, but I still think he had not contemplated the murders before the eve of May 4th. The letters are the only piece of evidence that shows he might have planned the murders. Everything else shows he tried to cover it up after the fact.

Can anyone think of other evidence that might show he planned it before May 4th? JMO

Telling Tara that he was going to give Sheri notice of divorce the next day. I doubt he any plans of telling Sheri anything but he knew that it was coming to an end. Making over 100K per year and letting everything move toward foreclosure. Wedding invitations, that sounds pretty serious.

Sure CC made a feeble attempt to cover his tracks with a SODDI defense. Everything this man has done points toward ending his marriage with Sheri abd for him divorce was not an option.

 

[Bluenotes]

Hey there Ginny,

Nice to see your good face!



Yes... I was going to bring up that pesky IP address thing in tandem with the thought of a trojan and keystroke logger -- thanks for doing that

But another thing... Can you just see the unauthorized change as a ninja trojan keystroke logger typing something like:

"You have missed your 'oppintunity' ..." (or however Chris misspelled that word

Ninja keystroke loggers know how to make the same misspullings of those who write so-called threats. :crazy:

Or as I pointed out in this post on May 30th in "note to self and investigators" -- the word "traveling" was spelled wrong (unless the person doing the text in the SW made that error when transcribing from the so-called threat message.) As in...

>>I have warned you to stop traveling<<

Traveling should be "travelling." WOAH...stop everything, why haven't any of you busted me on this one, I have just revisited several dictionaries that also permit "traveling"!

BUT OH...OH OH OH OH... (A Horshack moment here!) Check this out...

>>Deny your God publically or else!<<

See that word "publically" -- should be "publicly." BUT... I now see that "publically" is a variant. Hmmm...

Hmmm...scratching head... I am revisiting page 8 here. I wonder if the text of the threats written on that SW page had their spelling a wee bit different than the ninja threatmeister originally wrote it (spelled it).

Back to the drawing board on this one... BUT, we can all see that there can be crossmatches of spellings (variants) that connect people's documents to their so-called threats.

Well, most of us can see it.

 

[johnrodz]

Telling Tara that he was going to give Sheri notice of divorce the next day. I doubt he any plans of telling Sheri anything but he knew that it was coming to an end. Making over 100K per year and letting everything move toward foreclosure. Wedding invitations, that sounds pretty serious.

Sure CC made a feeble attempt to cover his tracks with a SODDI defense. Everything this man has done points toward ending his marriage with Sheri abd for him divorce was not an option.

I agree that it all points to him trying to end his marriage, but a lot of cheating men mislead their mistresses to think they are going to leave their wives and marry them. Divorce was not an option, so scaring them to move to a safe haven (ie. her family) would by him time with TL and possibly time to figure out how to work a divorce. Still, I think he maybe tried to move forward on his plan to have her move out so she and the kids would be safe (giving him room to bring TL closer). Either she confronted him with what she knew (and I think she knew more than what he thought she knew) or just disagreed about leaving. She may, at that time, have said she wanted a divorce leading to his rage of horror.

 

[analytical]

Well, most of us can see it.

Does that remind you of "there are none so blind as those who cannot see"?

It works both ways here .... but I've never been one to rush to judgment.

 

[Fairy1]

I agree that it all points to him trying to end his marriage, but a lot of cheating men mislead their mistresses to think they are going to leave their wives and marry them. Divorce was not an option, so scaring them to move to a safe haven (ie. her family) would by him time with TL and possibly time to figure out how to work a divorce. Still, I think he maybe tried to move forward on his plan to have her move out so she and the kids would be safe (giving him room to bring TL closer). Either she confronted him with what she knew (and I think she knew more than what he thought she knew) or just disagreed about leaving. She may, at that time, have said she wanted a divorce leading to his rage of horror.

This is a great theory, but it would only have been a temporary fix for CC. I personally believe he was looking for a more permanent arrangement.

And you're absolutely right about many men lying to their mistresses. But their families don't generally wind up murdered.

JMO

 

[Wrinkles]

So we have a foreclosure notice...

Will be interesting when that first came, when the first payment was missed, will be interesting if there were foreclosure notices in CC's glove box (with the other assorted junk he put there like a file box meant only for CC). Would point to the "plan" ... IMO, don't make the payments, stock up the cash but...also...

The dude had a credit card with the mistress/upcoming new wife, they planned an August cruise (did they have to pay for that in advance, what did that cost?), then there was the cost of wedding invitations and the mistresses flights and well, might there have been an engagement ring purchase? Other jewelry?

Paying a high amount of credit card debt to cover the mistress and/or putting cash away (perhaps of the exact amount of the mortgage payment, under the ruse of getting a money order or ...) makes for an inability to pay a mortgage payment, even at 100K a year, and particularly when you don't want to do so...

 

[analytical]

I think either she knows, or RC knows.

If the discovery requests did not cover this specifically, then it would be wise to amend the discovery to ask exactly where the money went,,,but it's a little late for that now. I'll have to find the requests to Ronald Coleman to see if there was a specific question in this regard. I put up the ones to JMM last night a few threads over but this would not be a question for JMM but for RC as he is now "custodian" of sorts of Coleman's financial affairs and the requests that went to him did explore CC's finances, life insurance, assets, etc.

 

[analytical]

One payment in arrears can trigger a foreclosure notice.

 

[Reannan]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think CC needs to be nominated for the Darwin Award for stupid criminals. The more we learn about the facts of this case, the more ridiculous it becomes for him to have possibly had a thought that he would get away with this crime. It's ridiculous!!!

 

[analytical]

Per Nick Pistor on the PD board, there is no notice of foreclosure filed with Monroe County. I believe the house is "about" to go into foreclosure but no official documents have been filed.

 

[who knew?]

I personally feel that both TL and RC know where the money is. I've wondered if CC had it "hidden" in TL's name or if they had an account together. If they did, I'm sure the LE would have found it. In-depth scouring of banks, records, etc. will be part of the investigation. The fact that they also requested discovery from RC shows that they are doing their jobs in "following the money". This may ruin a lot more people than CC, TL, and RC before it's all over.

 

[pferrin]

discovery info http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/05/26/coleman.lawsuit.pdf