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The Grim Sleeper Serial Killer Case

"...Franklin Questions DNA Evidence

May 1, 2015 - An attorney for the accused serial killer known as the "Grim Sleeper" believes DNA evidence in the cases of two women his client is suspected of killing belongs to another serial killer already on death row..."

http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/...&utm_campaign=list_crime&utm_content=20150513
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Women Who Kill Their Children

11 Women Are on Death Row for Killing Their Kids

"...According to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the United States each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents.

Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four, yet we continue to "persist with the unrealistic view that this is rare behavior," says Jill Korbin, expert on child abuse, who has studied mothers who killed their children...."

http://crime.about.com/od/female_of...&utm_campaign=list_crime&utm_content=20150513
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Female Criminals, Murderers, Rapists, Kidnappers and Thieves A - Z
An Alphabetical List of Female Criminals Profiled on Crime & Punishment


http://crime.about.com/od/history/a/women_az.htm
 
I believe that a lot of addictions are passed down from generations...My dad had 2 uncles, 3 brothers, a sister, and his dad whom where all alcoholics and all died from alcohol related illnesses. 2 of his brothers, 1 sister, and my dad never drank. Many children from my dad's side of the family has some type addiction problem. Sad, sad, sad...

Bernina thank you and all that you have shared and the interesting facts and links about the bird nests and robins.

GigiG thanks for your input on the subject, makes me stop and think and look at the issues in an different light.


I slept good last night :) I was so exhausted, I hit the bed and that's all she wrote! lol

:grouphug:

BBM So glad you slept well. Sleep helps everything, IMO. Makes you feel a little better.

I don't have words of wisdom for all who have/have had problems with their children :( Just, maybe, a
group-hug2-smiley.gif


Well, maybe this: :sheesh:

My thoughts on children-
Love your children. But remember that loving your children does not mean enabling them. It means holding them accountable for their behavior and refusing to allow them the power to dismantle the family or you. Do not think that you can “rescue” your adult child . . . that is simply not possible and attempts to do so are definitely not the way to encourage responsibility as an adult. I feel that once a child is an adult, they have all the power they need in their lives to make smart decisions. And as an adult, children have no right, whatsoever, to blame their parents for decisions they are making today. Most behaviors are choices – sobriety or stupidity? Addiction or detox? Fighting or loving? Honesty or deceit? Working or slacking? Building up or tearing down? It was their choices, not yours, that placed them in the circumstances that currently surround them. Harsh? maybe, but the world can be harsh. Give them love and try to help in any way possible, but you cannot help someone who does not want to help themselves. It's just futile, IMO.

And as I always say: take care of yourself because you are important.

As I have not had problems with my sons with addictions, I don't have any answers for anyone (just some thoughts, just an ear and some :blowkiss: )
 
Yes/No, your words matter. I do believe what you said to be true. For some it is harder, but the choice is still their choice to make. Loving them is the easy part ... even when you don't like what they do.
 
Good Mornin friends :wave:
I want so bad to post, especially about "addictions" but I have been unable to catch up on reading as I
have been out of commission. It happened 9 days ago (I remember exactly) :smile:
My dog "Macky" :thinking: sound familiar? was jumping up on my daughters bed one night and missed, and she let out a big yelp. She never yelps at all, in fact that was the first time I have ever heard her to that. And I have accidently stepped on her tail and once she got her foot caught in the storm door, and she never let out a peep.

The next day she wouldn't even try to jump up on the couch, which is REALLY unusual since I was eating lunch on a tray table. She never begs for food, she just lays beside me with her little head on my thigh. She wants me to know she's there, just in case I might offer up a morsel or two :smile:

Later I heard her barking downstairs, which means she had to do number 2 (I have a walkout basement) Funny how she goes to the front door when she has to pee.
I let her out, and when she came back in she started running up the steps. She only made it up the 3rd step, and she YELPED....and cried :frown: I had no choice but to pick her up and carry her up the remaining 10 steps. Now I am a very small woman and she is NOT! She's not huge, she's medium height but she weighs 53 lbs. and I weigh 102...

Long story short, Mac's fine and I have a Herniated Disc at L4-5. I have NO back pain at all, just horrible left thigh throbbing pain. It hurts to sit at the computer very long or anywhere for that matter. I have been using ice packs and a heating pad, and it's feeling a little better today. YAY
I'm going to try and read back on all I missed, I know for sure I have a lot to say about alcoholism/drug addiction....Sadly, you can mark my words on that!

I have missed you guys so bad!

PS forgives my typo's, or if sentences make no sense at all. I'm not going to reread my post
 
Good Mornin friends :wave:
I want so bad to post, especially about "addictions" but I have been unable to catch up on reading as I
have been out of commission. It happened 9 days ago (I remember exactly) :smile:
My dog "Macky" :thinking: sound familiar? was jumping up on my daughters bed one night and missed, and she let out a big yelp. She never yelps at all, in fact that was the first time I have ever heard her to that. And I have accidently stepped on her tail and once she got her foot caught in the storm door, and she never let out a peep.

The next day she wouldn't even try to jump up on the couch, which is REALLY unusual since I was eating lunch on a tray table. She never begs for food, she just lays beside me with her little head on my thigh. She wants me to know she's there, just in case I might offer up a morsel or two :smile:

Later I heard her barking downstairs, which means she had to do number 2 (I have a walkout basement) Funny how she goes to the front door when she has to pee.
I let her out, and when she came back in she started running up the steps. She only made it up the 3rd step, and she YELPED....and cried :frown: I had no choice but to pick her up and carry her up the remaining 10 steps. Now I am a very small woman and she is NOT! She's not huge, she's medium height but she weighs 53 lbs. and I weigh 102...

Long story short, Mac's fine and I have a Herniated Disc at L4-5. I have NO back pain at all, just horrible left thigh throbbing pain. It hurts to sit at the computer very long or anywhere for that matter. I have been using ice packs and a heating pad, and it's feeling a little better today. YAY
I'm going to try and read back on all I missed, I know for sure I have a lot to say about alcoholism/drug addiction....Sadly, you can mark my words on that!

I have missed you guys so bad!

PS forgives my typo's, or if sentences make no sense at all. I'm not going to reread my post


Heck girl :( why did you go and do that to yourself :) So sorry you are having back problems. Been there, done that! Ended up having back surgery and I'm glad I did!!

We all miss you too :grouphug:
 
BBM So glad you slept well. Sleep helps everything, IMO. Makes you feel a little better.

I don't have words of wisdom for all who have/have had problems with their children :( Just, maybe, a
group-hug2-smiley.gif


Well, maybe this: :sheesh:

My thoughts on children-
Love your children. But remember that loving your children does not mean enabling them. It means holding them accountable for their behavior and refusing to allow them the power to dismantle the family or you. Do not think that you can “rescue” your adult child . . . that is simply not possible and attempts to do so are definitely not the way to encourage responsibility as an adult. I feel that once a child is an adult, they have all the power they need in their lives to make smart decisions. And as an adult, children have no right, whatsoever, to blame their parents for decisions they are making today. Most behaviors are choices – sobriety or stupidity? Addiction or detox? Fighting or loving? Honesty or deceit? Working or slacking? Building up or tearing down? It was their choices, not yours, that placed them in the circumstances that currently surround them. Harsh? maybe, but the world can be harsh. Give them love and try to help in any way possible, but you cannot help someone who does not want to help themselves. It's just futile, IMO.

And as I always say: take care of yourself because you are important.

As I have not had problems with my sons with addictions, I don't have any answers for anyone (just some thoughts, just an ear and some :blowkiss: )

You are a very wise woman YoN :bow:
 
So many heart breaking stories from my friends, who always are ready to reach out to others. I think perhaps it is that reason we are so right for each other, and willing to lend a supportive ear. I am so sorry you have all been through these experiences with your children, but grateful to have found you all here. Thank you for all the sharing, the comfort, the feel of your hugs that your posts bring. I am at a loss for words to express just how much you all mean to me.

thank you for being here... each and every one of you. May you have peaceful days and healthy lives, and children who one day will all be free of their own demons.

:therethere: :grouphug:

iLikeToBendPages, if I could have, I would give you multiple likes for your post. I hope your daughter does well for a very long time... and longer.

I truly believe abuse and addiction, of any kind: drugs, sex, food, alcohol, money, work, etc., is a symptom of a bigger issue. Whether is be trauma, mental illness, genetics...........there is a CAUSE.
My first ex was in detox when the big news was "addiction is a disease", and all my hopes for his recovery were dashed. Great, my guy has an excuse every time he sticks a needle in his arm, "Hey, it's a disease, I can't help it". I felt like the medical community just gave addicts a free pass.
Wouldn't that mean I had a disease? And if it was a disease, was I cured? Or was it laying dormant?
Navigating through the medical and psychiatric community is HARD. And you can find just about any answer to fit your needs or wants.
Right now I think Dr.s, rehabs, and Big Pharma are making far to much money off the backs of people who are in pain, mentally and physically, to really focus on prevention through early detection, be it genetics or environment.

My first husband was molested as a child, and latter saw the atrocities of Viet Nam. He self medicated. Alcohol, drugs.

My 2nd husband was bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic. He didn't KNOW his behavior was something he inherited from his bio mother, and his adopted mom refused to even entertain the idea...........but she sure as heck bought him beer when he wanted it because it chilled him out. He drank and drugged to keep the voices at bay, until it tipped him into his first psychotic episode when he got sober for 2 weeks...and boy, was it a doozey.

My daughter? Pure stupidity. She wanted to know what the big deal was about heroin, her dad did it, her husband did it, why was it so hard to stop? Her husband shot her up, and that's all she wrote. Put a chemical in your body that the first time you do it makes you sicker than a dog within the first 15 minutes, and when you decide to "kick", once again, sicker than a dog, but for a good 72 hours or more. She has no predisposition, no mental illness, no trauma. She's just doing it when she does it because she can and she likes it.

My youngest brother missed the physical abuse by our dad, the verbal abuse wasn't as bad, being ignored was, but it all came to a head in less than 2 short years when our mom left my dad, and my brother found proof that our father was gay. When confronted, my dad threw him out of the house at age 17, 4 months shy of graduating high school. He was the "good Mormon kid", never smoked, drank, used drugs, swore, or took the Lords name in vain. He had planned on going on a mission. He would have been any parent's ideal of an awesome son. Now, his mom abandoned him, his dad threw him out because he spoke the truth, the Church ignored him, and the rest of the family shunned him, except me. He turned on everything he was brought up to be. He had no real world experience, he had been so isolated in that Mormon "bubble", he didn't have a clue. I had him move in with me, and I made sure he graduated, in the meantime, he was working his rear off at Tower records every night to get money to buy his own vehicle.
A lot of pain, abandonment, judgement, never feeling he was up to our dad's expectations. He slowly started self medicating. He did exceptional in anything he put his mind to. He was the ideal functioning substance abuser, just like his big sis, me.
Much later in life, his wife divorced him because he was diagnosed with chronic depression. She couldn't accept it or deal with it. He wasn't the "perfect husband" any more, he was "defective". And the snowball started rolling....
It stopped dead in it's tracks when he almost killed a highway worker and himself one night, during on and off blackouts. He was arrested in his tuxedo, coming from a big business party. He was put in jail. His Jeep was toast. He was lucky he walked away from the crash.
Over 4 years ago, he quit every legal and illicit addiction he had. And he's never looked back because he KNOWS why he was doing it. And he faced his demons. I don't worry about him because he's like me. We have our battle scars but the war is over.

My other brother? In a post a few weeks back I mentioned that he started his career as an alcoholic about 2 years ago. Straight up Mormon, mission, Temple marriage, 4 kids, own business...........well about 5 years ago he started loosing his religion, he left the church, 3 years ago his wife left him, then he hooked up with an old high school flame, got married, and everything that was near and dear to him didn't matter anymore. He was "mom's favorite", my dad's "good son". He reminds me of my daughter, doing something just to check it out, and getting sucked in.
He had plenty of examples of "what not to do" in his first 50 years of life. And he doesn't believe in therapy or psychiatrists.

Not going into my younger sister.....this has gotten to long, lol!

So, how does one classify this as a disease? Is it maybe just one's inability to cope? Is it self medicating for an underlying mental illness? Or is it just something stupid that someone does and the addictive properties of the substance make them a slave to it?

I believe it's more than a blanket statement by the AMA or psychiatrists at large. I think it's as personal and as individual as the life it takes over. Just my experience and my opinion....for what it's worth.

:heartbeat:
 
Just do it, Zuri!

Well, as long as you don't give up your travel plans to Europe!

To all of you here:
it's so nice to be able to meet you all here. Listening, sharing, helping, laughing - so precious!
Thank you!!!!!!!!!

Oh Susza, the pics of the Saleve, Jura and Alps brought back such wonderful memories. Thank you for taking those pics. Hope Geneva finds you well!
 
ETA: I can only imagine how hard it must be to deal with this kind of thing on a daily basis. My best friend lost her eldest son to a heroin overdose a few years ago. He was only 22.

From their son's early teens, for years my friend and her husband spent innumerable sleepless nights driving the streets trying to track him down, as he was a frequent runaway. They even moved to another city in order to put him in a special school, taking out a $30,000/yr loan to do so. After that didn't work, they sent him to live with her brother, a preacher and educator in Montana, cutting him off from the ability to have any access to drugs. At every turn, he alienated the very people who loved him and laid waste to his loving family's well-intentioned (and expensive) efforts to help him.

I just can't ignore the fact that this kind of behavior so often begins early, most usually during or immediately after puberty, thus my theory about hormones playing a big factor.

Also, as I think I have successfully made my friend aware, the parents are not to blame. So many families have mostly well-adjusted kids, then one who is the anamoly/exception. Whether the seeds of addiction or maladaptive behaviors begin to sprout at birth (possibly hereditary), or somehow come to life as a child enters adolescence (due to some sort of trigger?), it's important that parents not beat themselves up about it.

It's like when you listen to the spiel flight attendants give before takeoff. They stress that in the event of an emergency, when the mask falls down, USE IT ON YOURSELF FIRST, then administer to your child(ren). At first it sounds counterintuitive -- virtually every parent would put their children's welfare before their own, even if it means sacrificing their own lives -- but it makes perfect sense once you realize that if YOU aren't alive to take care of them, they'd have a much worse chance of surviving.

So to anyone going through this, I hope you will see the importance of taking care of yourself first. Your children need you to be there for them more than anyone or anything else. Treat yourself well and appreciate the simple joys of everyday life. Children (even adult children), learn from your example. What you do is more than what you say. Be the example of what a happy, fulfilling life looks like. But also do it for yourself. You have a right to a good life.

Excellent post!!!!!!!
 
Good Mornin friends :wave:
I want so bad to post, especially about "addictions" but I have been unable to catch up on reading as I
have been out of commission. It happened 9 days ago (I remember exactly) :smile:
My dog "Macky" :thinking: sound familiar? was jumping up on my daughters bed one night and missed, and she let out a big yelp. She never yelps at all, in fact that was the first time I have ever heard her to that. And I have accidently stepped on her tail and once she got her foot caught in the storm door, and she never let out a peep.

The next day she wouldn't even try to jump up on the couch, which is REALLY unusual since I was eating lunch on a tray table. She never begs for food, she just lays beside me with her little head on my thigh. She wants me to know she's there, just in case I might offer up a morsel or two :smile:

Later I heard her barking downstairs, which means she had to do number 2 (I have a walkout basement) Funny how she goes to the front door when she has to pee.
I let her out, and when she came back in she started running up the steps. She only made it up the 3rd step, and she YELPED....and cried :frown: I had no choice but to pick her up and carry her up the remaining 10 steps. Now I am a very small woman and she is NOT! She's not huge, she's medium height but she weighs 53 lbs. and I weigh 102...

Long story short, Mac's fine and I have a Herniated Disc at L4-5. I have NO back pain at all, just horrible left thigh throbbing pain. It hurts to sit at the computer very long or anywhere for that matter. I have been using ice packs and a heating pad, and it's feeling a little better today. YAY
I'm going to try and read back on all I missed, I know for sure I have a lot to say about alcoholism/drug addiction....Sadly, you can mark my words on that!

I have missed you guys so bad!

PS forgives my typo's, or if sentences make no sense at all. I'm not going to reread my post

I am so sorry to hear about your back pain and the herniated discs. As I am all too familiar with this since age 23, I have found some things that help. Ice is your friend as it helps the Sciatic nerve calm down. The sciatic nerve also runs from your sciatic notch (side of your butt/hip) down the outside of your leg and splits behind the knee to follow both the inner and outer aspects of your calf. If you place an ice pack in your pants on the side, this should help.

Biofreeze, available at Walgreens, applied to your sciatic notch area also can help. It has a cooling effect. Just make sure you wash your hands well after use. When you lay down, put a pillow under your knees so that they flex. This position helps relax the muscles and nerve (Williams Position). If you can, take Aleve (Naproxen Sodium) or another anti inflammatory daily. The key is getting ahead of the pain. A back brace may also help support your back and diminish pain. Whether you realize it or not, you compensate when you walk, sit or lay down to protect yourself.

If you start to notice that you have numbness and your leg feels "dead", you should let your doctor know right away. You can have sensory deficits, which is the pain/numbness, but also motor deficits that affect walking, sitting. The motor deficits are the most damaging to the nerve on a permanent basis and can lead to foot drop. If you have trouble going up stairs, dragging your leg, supporting yourself on one leg, this should be addressed quickly.

I wish you well and please let us know how you are doing. Sitting is not your friend either, so completely understandable if you can't check in. Xo
 
I truly believe abuse and addiction, of any kind: drugs, sex, food, alcohol, money, work, etc., is a symptom of a bigger issue. Whether is be trauma, mental illness, genetics...........there is a CAUSE.
My first ex was in detox when the big news was "addiction is a disease", and all my hopes for his recovery were dashed. Great, my guy has an excuse every time he sticks a needle in his arm, "Hey, it's a disease, I can't help it". I felt like the medical community just gave addicts a free pass.
Wouldn't that mean I had a disease? And if it was a disease, was I cured? Or was it laying dormant?
Navigating through the medical and psychiatric community is HARD. And you can find just about any answer to fit your needs or wants.
Right now I think Dr.s, rehabs, and Big Pharma are making far to much money off the backs of people who are in pain, mentally and physically, to really focus on prevention through early detection, be it genetics or environment.

My first husband was molested as a child, and latter saw the atrocities of Viet Nam. He self medicated. Alcohol, drugs.

My 2nd husband was bipolar, paranoid schizophrenic. He didn't KNOW his behavior was something he inherited from his bio mother, and his adopted mom refused to even entertain the idea...........but she sure as heck bought him beer when he wanted it because it chilled him out. He drank and drugged to keep the voices at bay, until it tipped him into his first psychotic episode when he got sober for 2 weeks...and boy, was it a doozey.

My daughter? Pure stupidity. She wanted to know what the big deal was about heroin, her dad did it, her husband did it, why was it so hard to stop? Her husband shot her up, and that's all she wrote. Put a chemical in your body that the first time you do it makes you sicker than a dog within the first 15 minutes, and when you decide to "kick", once again, sicker than a dog, but for a good 72 hours or more. She has no predisposition, no mental illness, no trauma. She's just doing it when she does it because she can and she likes it.

My youngest brother missed the physical abuse by our dad, the verbal abuse wasn't as bad, being ignored was, but it all came to a head in less than 2 short years when our mom left my dad, and my brother found proof that our father was gay. When confronted, my dad threw him out of the house at age 17, 4 months shy of graduating high school. He was the "good Mormon kid", never smoked, drank, used drugs, swore, or took the Lords name in vain. He had planned on going on a mission. He would have been any parent's ideal of an awesome son. Now, his mom abandoned him, his dad threw him out because he spoke the truth, the Church ignored him, and the rest of the family shunned him, except me. He turned on everything he was brought up to be. He had no real world experience, he had been so isolated in that Mormon "bubble", he didn't have a clue. I had him move in with me, and I made sure he graduated, in the meantime, he was working his rear off at Tower records every night to get money to buy his own vehicle.
A lot of pain, abandonment, judgement, never feeling he was up to our dad's expectations. He slowly started self medicating. He did exceptional in anything he put his mind to. He was the ideal functioning substance abuser, just like his big sis, me.
Much later in life, his wife divorced him because he was diagnosed with chronic depression. She couldn't accept it or deal with it. He wasn't the "perfect husband" any more, he was "defective". And the snowball started rolling....
It stopped dead in it's tracks when he almost killed a highway worker and himself one night, during on and off blackouts. He was arrested in his tuxedo, coming from a big business party. He was put in jail. His Jeep was toast. He was lucky he walked away from the crash.
Over 4 years ago, he quit every legal and illicit addiction he had. And he's never looked back because he KNOWS why he was doing it. And he faced his demons. I don't worry about him because he's like me. We have our battle scars but the war is over.

My other brother? In a post a few weeks back I mentioned that he started his career as an alcoholic about 2 years ago. Straight up Mormon, mission, Temple marriage, 4 kids, own business...........well about 5 years ago he started loosing his religion, he left the church, 3 years ago his wife left him, then he hooked up with an old high school flame, got married, and everything that was near and dear to him didn't matter anymore. He was "mom's favorite", my dad's "good son". He reminds me of my daughter, doing something just to check it out, and getting sucked in.
He had plenty of examples of "what not to do" in his first 50 years of life. And he doesn't believe in therapy or psychiatrists.

Not going into my younger sister.....this has gotten to long, lol!

So, how does one classify this as a disease? Is it maybe just one's inability to cope? Is it self medicating for an underlying mental illness? Or is it just something stupid that someone does and the addictive properties of the substance make them a slave to it?

I believe it's more than a blanket statement by the AMA or psychiatrists at large. I think it's as personal and as individual as the life it takes over. Just my experience and my opinion....for what it's worth.

Cancer and Parkinson's are diseases, no choice. Abusing alcohol and drugs are learned behaviors and are bad choices that people make. The multi-billion dollar treatment industry has huge stakes in it though, they needed to have it classified as a disease so that medical insurance will pay for it. I just think that calling it a disease dis-empowers people, rather than empowering them to take control of themselves and change.

Also, I agree with you Bernina that there are frequently underlying issues, either emotional damage or pre-existing mental illness of some kind. Also that it's a way of self medicating whether for depression, loneliness, etc.

There's something about these big money health industries though, they are very, very powerful. Just look at the multi-billion dollar cancer industry, what a racket. :(

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/on-cancer-business-industry.html

We have a multi-billion dollar industry that is killing people, right and left, just for financial gain. Their idea of doing research is to see whether two doses of this poison is better than three doses of that poison.
Glenn A. Warner, MD, former head of the immunotherapy department of the Tumor Institute under Orliss Wildermuth, MD.

To the cancer establishment, a cancer patient is a profit center. The actual clinical and scientific evidence does not support the claims of the cancer industry.Conventional cancer treatments are in place as the law of the land because they pay, not heal, the best. Decades of the politics-of-cancer-as-usual have kept you from knowing this, and will continue to do so unless you wake up to this reality.
John Diamond, MD & Lee Cowden MD

http://www.naturalnews.com/033847_chemotherapy_cancer_treatments.html#


Ok, I'm getting off my soapbox now :blush: I love everyone here and am so sorry for any and all who are having to go through difficult times and situations with family members and loved ones. Prayers and big (((hugs))) :grouphug:
 
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Jodi Arias appears to be enjoying prison life: Letter to supporters

"...The image of the letter is a little hard to read. The transcription is below the image (not meant to be an exact transcription) and there is also a link to the letter in PDF form..."

http://www.courtchatter.com/#!Jodi-...-to-supporters/c1oiw/5553d8800cf24874172f47ff
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L. Kirk Nurmi @_nurmilaw · 4h 4 hours ago
Despite comments #jodiarias made in a letter to her "supporters", I did not "bless" her statements during sentencing - far from it

https://twitter.com/_nurmilaw

281129 still doesn't "Get It".

Guess she's lost without a dictionary.......who doesn't know how to spell "gopher"?:thinking:
 
Good Mornin friends :wave:
I want so bad to post, especially about "addictions" but I have been unable to catch up on reading as I
have been out of commission. It happened 9 days ago (I remember exactly) :smile:
My dog "Macky" :thinking: sound familiar? was jumping up on my daughters bed one night and missed, and she let out a big yelp. She never yelps at all, in fact that was the first time I have ever heard her to that. And I have accidently stepped on her tail and once she got her foot caught in the storm door, and she never let out a peep.

The next day she wouldn't even try to jump up on the couch, which is REALLY unusual since I was eating lunch on a tray table. She never begs for food, she just lays beside me with her little head on my thigh. She wants me to know she's there, just in case I might offer up a morsel or two :smile:

Later I heard her barking downstairs, which means she had to do number 2 (I have a walkout basement) Funny how she goes to the front door when she has to pee.
I let her out, and when she came back in she started running up the steps. She only made it up the 3rd step, and she YELPED....and cried :frown: I had no choice but to pick her up and carry her up the remaining 10 steps. Now I am a very small woman and she is NOT! She's not huge, she's medium height but she weighs 53 lbs. and I weigh 102...

Long story short, Mac's fine and I have a Herniated Disc at L4-5. I have NO back pain at all, just horrible left thigh throbbing pain. It hurts to sit at the computer very long or anywhere for that matter. I have been using ice packs and a heating pad, and it's feeling a little better today. YAY
I'm going to try and read back on all I missed, I know for sure I have a lot to say about alcoholism/drug addiction....Sadly, you can mark my words on that!

I have missed you guys so bad!

PS forgives my typo's, or if sentences make no sense at all. I'm not going to reread my post

Urgh!
#1 rule: lift with your legs!!!!
See if you can get down to an Office Mart, Staples or something like that and try sitting in one of those weird looking ergonomic chairs. If it's comfortable, order one on Amazon or where ever you can find a decent one at a good price.
Yep, I use one. Between a real bad whiplash injury (side to side) back when I was 24, and throwing a 50 lb bag of dog food on my shoulder a few years later, my upper spine "talks" to me when I pull a "he-woman" without thinking! :floorlaugh:

Why do us little squirts have big dogs? :thinking: (I know I just like rolling on the floor and wrestling with them, lol!)
 
Dmacky, I am so glad your Macky is OK, but lordy girl you are not an Amazon. I can't imagine carrying 50+ pounds upstairs, yet alone a big ole dog!! I do hope your pain goes away quickly. Sciatic pain is awful!

Zuri, what a great description you gave on how to deal with sciatic pain. I am saving it to share with my son, who has had a couple bouts with this.
 
http://www.wxyz.com/live2?_ga=1.92585371.747540157.1428492723

WXYZ's livestream link (which is what CourtChatter is using -- I have trouble with CC on my tablet)

:giggle: oops! This was supposed to go at the Scrivo trial (dismembered her son) --- but now they interrupted court to show the "new bridge to be named after Gordie Howe! :stormingmad:
 
Cancer and Parkinson's are diseases, no choice. Abusing alcohol and drugs are learned behaviors and are bad choices that people make. The multi-billion dollar treatment industry has huge stakes in it though, they needed to have it classified as a disease so that medical insurance will pay for it. I just think that calling it a disease dis-empowers people, rather than empowering them to take control of themselves and change.

Also, I agree with you Bernina that there are frequently underlying issues, either emotional damage or pre-existing mental illness of some kind. Also that it's a way of self medicating whether for depression, loneliness, etc.

There's something about these big money health industries though, they are very, very powerful. Just look at the multi-billion dollar cancer industry, what a racket. :(

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/on-cancer-business-industry.html





http://www.naturalnews.com/033847_chemotherapy_cancer_treatments.html#


Ok, I'm getting off my soapbox now :blush: I love everyone here and am so sorry for any and all who are having to go through difficult times and situations with family members and loved ones. Prayers and big (((hugs))) :grouphug:

You nailed it, Neesaki. By telling people addiction and alcoholism is a disease, it diminishes their hope to conquer it, or an excuse to continue it. And Big Pharma can roll out their poisons to keep it in check or minimize the consequences. Rehab centers can jack up their recovery rate, with a feeble 30 day program that doesn't do anything but keep you in a drug/alcohol free environment, and charge bukoo bucks to do it. I could do that chaining a substance abuser to a toilet for 30 days.
Methadone clinics tell their patients when they start treatment that they should expect to relapse..........seriously? The abuser/addict just got a BIG FAT PERMISSION to go back to using. What is THAT?!?
My parents and both sets of grandparents did not drink or use drugs..........but here you have children who grew up and did exactly that, in one form or another. Some of my cousins on both sides also did. Even more ironic, the Mormon kids my age, about 15 of them, that I grew up with did the same, all but 2. No history of family alcoholism or drug abuse, 3-4 generations of staunch Mormonism.

(Granted, my grandpa on my mom's side ended up in a Mexican prison when he and his buddies decided to bring some pot into the country way back in the 40's, no one knew anything about it except my grandma, and it didn't come out until way after her death when one of the relatives went through her journals. Gramps was a heavy equipment operator so no one questioned why he was "on the road" for 6 months. He was trying to make quick cash during the "down season")

So where does an isolated "culture" play into this?
It's kinda like when your parents drop the bomb about Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.....you realize your parents are capable of lying. So the first time you pick up a cigarette, a cup of coffee laced with sugar and cream, or that can of Budweiser..........there's no bolt of lightning from on high, no fire licking at your heals, and dangit, it tastes kind of good and feels kinda cool. Mom, dad, and your religious foundation gets kind of rocked. What else could they possibly be "lying" about?

And in my case, why were my parent's values so grand when grandpa had free reign to molest me and dad could beat the crap out of me? That BS would have put both of them in jail in this day and age, but the only thing I was warned of growing up with was "stranger danger".

A & E had a real insightful series "Intervention" on for years. The only issue they couldn't show was someone ODing, getting alcohol poisoning, or flat out dying in front of the camera. They got the "this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs/alcohol", but couldn't follow through with "and this is what happens as you die". They never showed the alcoholic with a blood alcohol so high, that the person had to be put into a medical comma to detox. They never showed the junkie turning blue, vomiting and crapping on themselves as they OD'd seconds after shooting up or the EMT's hitting them with Narcon trying to resuscitate them. You don't just get a shot and everything's fine and dandy. The opiate antagonizer hits you in waves, you nod out, you came back in a rage, you nod out again, and so on and so on. How about the pill popper who ends up in the emergency room who has charcoal forced down a tube into their stomach, then put in Critical care until they stabilize?

It's kind of weird that we can be exposed to the atrocities of war, police shootings caught on cell phones, the dead victims of bombings, earthquakes and natural disasters being pulled out of the rubble, the collection of bodies after an Air tragedy, but American society is too "fragile" to be exposed to the end result of substance abuse according to MSM and the Government. And corpses in a morgue don't cut it.

Can anything be more brutally disturbing than the autopsy and crime scene photos we were exposed to during Travis' trial?

Gotta chill out here, kids...........between the Government, lobbyist, Big Pharma, doctors, etc., etc., there won't be a solution because there's too much money to be made on the "problem".
 
281129 still doesn't "Get It".

Guess she's lost without a dictionary.......who doesn't know how to spell "gopher"?:thinking:

HaHa, and no spell check. And of course her nice cozy new closet sized apartment smells so "new" and "clean". I just hope an innocent little prairie dog doesn't end up in her violent clutches. :( And of course juror 17 wasn't tainted, it was those other jurors, all eleven ("11") :what: who were tainted :tsktsk:. She definitely still doesn't get it.
 
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