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1968 - Sly and the Family Stone, Everyday People tops the charts.



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toady! I learned a new word today (aside from Zuri's that I can't even spell). I need to remember toady.

Niner said:
Okay - I'm only up to this post, and someone else might have mentioned this..

but the way I learned it. If a name/noun ends in "s" and is possessive than only an apostrophe after the "s". I went to school from 1954 to 1965, so what do I know... :D
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We went to the same school? That is how I learned it, too.


YESorNO said:
BBM I read somewhere, when her book 1st came out, that she did write her book with the murderer's statements. I didn't want to read it- why bother? If anyone watched the trial, they knew all her lies already.
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I was disappointed in Shanna's book. I have it on Kindle.
 
Niner said:
Okay - I'm only up to this post, and someone else might have mentioned this..

but the way I learned it. If a name/noun ends in "s" and is possessive than only an apostrophe after the "s". I went to school from 1954 to 1965, so what do I know... :D
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Remember compound words? What was once a compound word in the 50's id now two words.....and diagraming sentences....yuck!
 
YESorNO said:
Just found this on Twitter, if anyone is interested:


Nancy GraceVerified account ‏@NancyGraceHLN 3h3 hours ago
EXCLUSIVE: Kirk Nurmi says #JodiArias tried to manipulate him! More tonight at 8 p.m. ET! http://bit.ly/1LJt2bh


Be afraid Lawrence- be very afraid :whip:


:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
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I started to watch Nancy Grace and KN but then NG started to make a comment about how hard she was on KN...and I shut the show off. I did not want to even hear an apology of any kind to KN.

Sometimes when I read parts of KN book, his thought, comments, I often wonder if he is talking about his own childhood, teen years etc. I do not know why I feel like that, I just feel he is putting in his own life growing up experiences into the life of the felon. jmo
 
ILikeToBendPages said:
Nurmi didn't like JM taking his time in interviews because he'd catch the defense witnesses in a lie ? Seems like Juan was and doing his job.

He had no reason to put DeAnna or the bishop through what he did. He can talk and write till the cows come home, but he and mdlr will always b known as Jodi's toadie

toad·y tōdē

noun

plural noun: toadies
1.
a person who behaves obsequiously to someone important.
synonyms: sycophant, brown-noser, lickspittle, flatterer, flunky, lackey, trained seal, doormat, stooge, cringer; informalbootlicker, suck-up, yes-man; vulgar slangkiss-*advertiser censored*, *advertiser censored*-kisser "a conniving little toady"


There is a world of difference between Lisa, Mimi , the other women, and Jodi and how she was treated. Jodi and Jodi alone was responsible for that.
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Jodi's Toadies, I like the ring to it. Possibly her support site could rename that terrible place and use your Banner, LOL. They do like to call Juan... "Frog"
 
1966 - Tom Jones was at No.1 on the UK singles chart with his version of 'Green Green Grass Of Home.' It stayed at No.1 for seven weeks giving Decca records its first million selling single by a British artist. Also a No.11 hit in the US.


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MistyM said:
i was discussing this just a day ago, i love the term 'wound collector'. i completely think her 'fans' that are female really probably most likely don't believe her story but secretly 'worship' her for ridding the world of a man who fits some sort of archetype of a man who hurt them in the past. i suppose some of them do belive the pedophilia and abuse, as they experienced that behaviour from that jerk they wanted dead but didn't have the guts to kill, while others were cheated on, dumped because the men they dated recognized their little games, etc etc, et al.

jodi died for their sins! all hail mighty jodi.. the patron saint collector of male to female injustice!

(awesome posts, you guys!

:loveyou:


eta: the reason that injustice collector post blew me away is i've used the term 'karma redistribution specialist' when i've not done something good for someone who doesn't deserve it because they are *advertiser censored**wipes.

and omg zuri thanks for the summaries... very awesome!
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Jodi Arias is a classic textbook example of a wound collector. I am surprised no one has said that before to my knowledge. That puts her in the same class as Lori Drew, Gertrude Baniszewski, Yoselyn Ortega, Vester Flanagan, Chris Mercer, Elliot Rodger, Osama bin Laden, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, Abubakar Shekau, and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
 
YESorNO said:
Just one more thing: :stormingmad:

I had some comments on Lawrence's following statements:


"...what Ms. Hall had to say solidified my opinion that Ms. Hall was the kind of girl that Mr. Alexander could be a gentlemen with because he had Ms. Arias to handle those things that a proper Mormon girl would never do. In my mind this served as pretty clear evidence that Mr. Alexander was living a double life, he was telling people that Ms. Arias was a stalker while she was serving as his sexual outlet, an outlet to satiate him while he sought our a proper wife. Just my opinion of course, but please tell me how I am wrong. 'Facts are stubborn things'. " (pg. 133)


I haven't commented too much on Lawrence's words so far in his book because I was waiting to read the complete book, I know these are his thoughts, and he has a right to his thoughts, but this paragraph has made me very angry and I'm telling him he was/is wrong.

I think that Travis would have considered marrying the murderer if she hadn't thrown "it" at him and had behaved "like a proper Mormon girl". Blaming Travis is so wrong, IMO. The murderer knew what "a proper Mormon girl" should act like, but she thought she could keep Travis tied to her by "throwing 'it' at him every chance she got. Well she was wrong. She acted just like a prostitute because in the Morman faith, women did not act the way she did and she knew the rules. Of course when Travis found out what the murderer really was, he knew she was not marrying material for him and continued to look for a Mormon wife who followed the rules and was more in line with the Mormon faith.

Where was there "evidence" that Travis was living a double life? Because he didn't broadcast his sex life with his Mormon friends? That's not evidence, IMO.

Travis was duped by the murderer and she wouldn't stay away from him. She. was. his. stalker. and the worst thing that ever happened to him (may he rest in peace). :candle:

Lawrence's "facts" are skewed in this instance, IMO. :mad:

Just saying :)
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After the way this disreputable attorney lied to the Hughes, he has a nerve talking about JM. He is so obviously jealous of JM it's sickening. He writes a book about hating his client and wanting off this case because of her manipulation but he doesn't give Travis the same break he gives himself. If CMJA could manipulate him she sure could manipulate a naïve Mormon like TA. I detest Nurmi more now than before. He was on Nancy Grace tonight. He is trying so hard to get ahead of JM's book. Said he self published because he said he wanted to make sure it was his story and not some sensationalized version. This is a slam at JM's book. He self published because no one would publish it for him. His book will only appeal to a very small segment of the general reading public. Where as JM's book is written in a different genre, to appeal to readers interested in law and court trials. I believe Nurmi has already reached his saturation point.
 
Zuri said:
How kind of you to ask. I dozed most of the night, expecting to get THAT dreaded phone call. Apparently, he was very uncomfortable and they had to start him on a lidocaine drip. Around 3 am, he passed a large amount of manure and all the gas was gone. He is as happy as a clam and was trailered back to the barn a short time ago.

I got a call from Dr. Southwood, the pre- eminent scholar on colic. She wanted to reassure me that any time was the right time to put him down; that I had gone above and beyond to treat this horse; there was nothing to lose at this point so to try some other things to see if we can get his colon calmed down.

Knox basically has Irritable Bowel Disease and Crohns. Not good in horses. Some horses will colic once and be done. Not mine. I realized some things had fallen through the cracks since 10/31/15 when he colicked and we were up all night with him at the barn. I need to be much more vigilant and make sure the changes are implemented and there is follow through. There was a miscommunication and I didn't realize that he had not resumed his normal schedule. I have left a lot of his care up to my daughter, but I realized yesterday that it was unfair to do so. I have a much better understanding of his condition than she does as it is not that far off from people medicine. I didn't ask her enough questions. My brain and memory has been so off as I come down off of the prednisone, that I forget then remember and then forget again.

It would be so much easier to put him down if he had a surgical condition. Each time he has colicked, he seems to come out of it so I haven't hesitated in treating it. This is the problem for me. If he has a chance, I take it. And yes, it costs me a lot of money over the long run, but he is happy when the colic is gone and he feels better.

What would you all do? Would you continue to treat him? I keep trying to find a solution to keep him from getting these bad episodes, but I can't control the weather which has a profound effect and causes many horses to colic. There were 4 other horses that were admitted to New Bolton after Knox. The weather has been warm and cool and very unseasonable.

I have been waiting to put him down until he gets a really bad colic episode and nothing works. I don't know if this is the right thing to do anymore. How can I put down a horse that is happy except when he colics?

Can you tell I am exhausted lol? Thank you for your jingles and hugs. They mean so very much. Sorry for the long post too.
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I don't blame you for continuing to treat him and not put him down Zuri. I had a cat called Charlie and he was wonderful, but he had chronic problems and I had him at the vet a lot and spent a fortune, but he lived for 17 years and was a wonderful pet. My late husband loved him as much as myself and never complained about the expense. Our friends made fun of us but my husband just told them it was our money and we would spend it the way we wanted. I miss them both very much but treasure every day I had with them. You will treasure your time with Knox also. Follow your heart, you can't go wrong.
 
Tiger09 said:
It would be Travis's and the Hughes'. Unless it Chris (singular) or Sky (singular) . Then it's Chris Hughes's.

Plural (ends with s) , apostrophe after s and you're good. Singular and ends with s, apostrophe s.



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Oh Tiger thank you. I need you as my editor. So when you all have read what I wrote, pretend I put an "s" after Travis'. You might have to squint ;)
 
Niner said:
Okay - I'm only up to this post, and someone else might have mentioned this..

but the way I learned it. If a name/noun ends in "s" and is possessive than only an apostrophe after the "s". I went to school from 1954 to 1965, so what do I know... :D
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Niner, I went to school from 1962-1980 and I can't remember nuthin. I am grateful for the input. Shanna Hogan wrote Travis's and I was like whoa, I didn't. But then again, I haven't been published...Is that a valid excuse? Lol
 
samspace070 said:
I don't blame you for continuing to treat him and not put him down Zuri. I had a cat called Charlie and he was wonderful, but he had chronic problems and I had him at the vet a lot and spent a fortune, but he lived for 17 years and was a wonderful pet. My late husband loved him as much as myself and never complained about the expense. Our friends made fun of us but my husband just told them it was our money and we would spend it the way we wanted. I miss them both very much but treasure every day I had with them. You will treasure your time with Knox also. Follow your heart, you can't go wrong.
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Samspace, I am so sorry for both of your losses. Your post touched my heart. Hugs to you. Xo
 
I think if someone isn't grading you, then you're good.

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Frigga said:
Thank you Zuri- this last post made me cry. I have no doubt he would have too. Travis has had a positive impact on people he never even knew! (((hugs))) to you- hope your beloved horse makes it through this. I couldn't put him down either- but that's just me!
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Mollyandme said:
Zuri, I am so sorry about your beloved horse. I used to ride horses when I was younger. I still have my stuffed animal that looks identical to the horse I always rode, my daughter sleeps with it now. The last time I rode was in Ireland, it was breathtaking riding on cliffs along the ocean, galloping across the beach, and riding through forests with old castles everywhere, it was like a scene out of a Disney movie. Horses are such beautiful creatures and I know the bond you must have with your horses.

If you can afford it, and it is not adversely affecting your personal health, then I see nothing wrong with treating the colic episodes as they arrive. I firmly believe you will know when it is time to say goodbye.
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DEPUTYDAWG said:
Zuri,

First, THANK YOU for taking the time to recap the Hughes' book! A lot of time, and I for one appreciated it!

Horse colic - oh boy, been there. I had a gelding colic back in 1982, and he had surgery (didn't know if he would survive long enough to make it to UC Davis) and had a long life afterwards. We were back showing him 5 months later.

My most favorite horse ever (I have had 8 in my life) was a mare I showed on a national level and then sold to Australia...she was there for 5 years, then had an impacted/twisted colon two months before she was scheduled to deliver a foal, and she died in the back on the trailer as they were trying to get her to the vets. Both she and the foal were not able to be saved.

I have also had to make the decision to euthanize a gelding that had navicular, I got him when he was a yearling, he was my baby.

Having gone through those emotions...I think you, fundamentally, know and "feel" when you have done all you can and the time comes. Do what you can do to help your guy be happy and living well...and when the time comes that he's in too much pain or in frequent pain with bouts, I think you'll know.

Hugs to you...there really is no easy answer. Hopefully he will improve and get over this current/recent bout and will settle in on a more "back to normal" routine and health, even if it means with other feed or medication options? I've had friends who have had colic-sensitive horses that have had many attacks but led long lives.

Just hugs and hope for you,

DD
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These thoughtful and touching posts really helped... Isn't it funny how animals can touch our hearts and become part of us in a way.

DD, I can't imagine having to put down as many as you have. I had to once 15 years ago when a mare I had just bought got cast in her stall and fractured her cannon bone. It took me a very very long time to get over that one. You are one of the kindest people and again, thank you for your service in protecting us.

Frigga and Molly, you always seem to know when to come over here and post when I am at my lowest. I will never ever forget the kindnesses shown to me when I was losing it in the middle of the night here, and you both took the time to post such reassuring words. That was 2 years ago and it touches me still today. Xo
 
Did anyone read Jane Velez Mitchell's book? Is it in the same vein as the Hughes'ssss or Shannaaa Hogan'ssss books?

ETA: I am trying to make up for the lack of ssssss's btw
 
I read it when it first came out. I think it's pretty much what was shown on her show. Typical media headline stuff.

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