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No kidding, the foreman doesn't like being talked down to yet had no idea the judge would call a mistrial?


even simple me understand what the judge said. they have to agree. if they don't.that part of the case will be tried again.. I heard what she said . and my knowledge of az law is so limited.

no one talked down to them. JM had to fight with tooth and nail to get these adult witness to admit what was facts in the writings that was shown. JM started normal but then had to break it down and down to simple words to get them to speak of what was written. they refuse to even admit thre words was written even after he showed it to them many a times. so he had to dumb down to their level
 
Yes, I've seen you post that before, I think. Like I said, I understand that my pov is contrary to what most people here believe. But it is definitely what a lot of people who are not here think. Including a lot of the locals. I'm not lying when I tell you that I don't know one single person in my personal or professional life that has said that they like Juan's style and many have said (totally independent from any comment by me) that he has done his case more harm then good considering the mountain of evidence against her. If they're thinking that, and I'm thinking that, and people's moms are thinking that, and the foreman of the jury apparently thought that, then maybe it's worth considering that there might be something to it, imo.

Hearsay.
 
:offtopic: Gotta <3 the hackers

Hacker Turns Westboro Baptist Church Hate Page Into Donation Site

The Westboro Baptist Church can add another group to its "hate" list: hackers.
<snipped>

The website was unavailable at time of writing, but according to reports, another message below the image read: "'On the 8th day, God created hackers, and he saw that it was good.' From the Gospel according to @th3j35t3r Redirecting in 5 seconds……." Moments later, then, visitors were taken to a Red Cross donation site for victims of the storm.
<snipped>

http://mashable.com/2013/05/25/westboro-hacker-oklahoma/

Not gonna lie, I would love to see the hackers get to another site, if you know what/who I mean.
 
It breaks my heart to see so many members being at discord. We are here for one purpose only. To seek Justice for Travis and his family. And it's always been like this. This is NOT something that has begun happening "lately", as some members have suggested. I love and respect ALL member here. I couldn't have made it through my brother's trial, without your support. More importantly, Think of the Mods, and the work they do? It's all voluntary, and I for one appreciate all their hard work. They work (voluntarily) 16, 18, 20 hours a day, taking away from their personal lives, for US, the members. We are a family! We may not agree on everything, but I think one thing we share is mutual respect. It's only fair, that we show the Mods the same respect. They work for us, so that we can have a place to congregate and support each other. That being said, I love you all! I have yet to meet, ONE member here , that I didn't like. I didn't agree with all opinions, but I respected it. Horace and I got off on the wrong footing. I sent him a pm and apologized. He is now, one of my favorite members. Please take the time to reflect before hitting post. We need each and every one of you. With that being said, I hope I didn't step on any toes. Let God guide your judgement, and pray for peace among us. Love you all dearly!
Tulessa....

BBM. Tulessa, you told me you didn't like me. I'll let it go, though. ;)
 
Not sure if some are aware of this or not, but on facebook, if you click on the time/date of the post, it will give you a direct link to the post you are referencing.

I'm guessing this is the post you are speaking of Rose, sorry if it isn't.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/posts/481226195286861

I can't find it now because I'm tired but I could have sworn he said something like CMja wasn't like Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson.

Well, no she isn't. They admitted their crimes with no equivocation.
 
:offtopic: Gotta <3 the hackers

Hacker Turns Westboro Baptist Church Hate Page Into Donation Site

The Westboro Baptist Church can add another group to its "hate" list: hackers.
<snipped>

The website was unavailable at time of writing, but according to reports, another message below the image read: "'On the 8th day, God created hackers, and he saw that it was good.' From the Gospel according to @th3j35t3r Redirecting in 5 seconds&#8230;&#8230;." Moments later, then, visitors were taken to a Red Cross donation site for victims of the storm.
<snipped>

http://mashable.com/2013/05/25/westboro-hacker-oklahoma/

Not gonna lie, I would love to see the hackers get to another site, if you know what/who I mean.

Was it Anonymous? I so enjoy their work sometimes:)


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Please enlighten me on all the Gillian avatars.

A girls gotta know. :giggle:
 
Sorry to ask, this may have been answered but what is the name on his facebook page? TIA

If you are talking about Juror 18 luv, I don't know of a personal FB for him. The links for the other FB page are a page back.
 
BBM. Tulessa, you told me you didn't like me. I'll let it go, though. ;)

Then you misunderstood me. I wondered why we didn't seem to connect like we used to. I think you are awesome. Your posts are so insightful. If I said anything, I was teasing. Please accept my apology hun? My mom always said, treat others, as you want to be treated. I'm so very sorry if anything I said was offensive. :(


ETA: I love you! :)
 
I am just going to be completely honest and speak my very honest opinion, feeling, and where I'm very extremely surprised to find myself today.. I am hoping that my getting this off my chest somehow allows me to move on from this extremely uncomfortable frame of mind that I have found myself to be..

I'm perfectly aware that some, many, or even all may not at all agree with me, nor feel similar and I'm prefacing that I fully understand that, respect that, and have no wish or desire to have anyone at all agree with me.. To keep on the path of being completely honest, here, this post is probably in large part for completely selfish motives in my just attempting to somehow purge myself of this overall unpleasant frame of mind and feeling that I presently have.

I am very disappointed just like the majority of us are and the majority of that sadness, disappointment, and even sorrow is my hurt for Travis' siblings and just what a tremendous blow that this non-verdict was to them.. My heart is literally aching, very literally hurting for these precious individuals, with Steven being who I am most worried and concerned about as to just what effects that this will have on him.. While I fully believe they all 7 are deeply hurting and pained by this tremendous blow and let down of just being left in the hell of limbo..just floating with no real end or finality anywhere in sight..but it is Steven who I have the most concern and worry about..The bright light that seemed to be so damn close marking their very much nearing the end of the long, dark tunnel and so very badly needing the end to come so that they can have closure.. close their lives to Jodi Arias permanently, and actually begin the healing process that they have been literally kept in the holding pattern of for 5 very, long years.. Their being able to put an "end" to this horrific chapter of their lives and to move forward in a positive direction far, far, and in the opposite direction of all things Jodi Arias..

That so close to the end of the dark tunnel that they could literally "feel it" drawing near in these last few days leading up to the day of the non-verdict..that great hope of this all drawing to a close was so cruelly stripped of them just within those few overpowering moments wherein the Courts non-verdict was read..well, it is just beyond painful and anguishing for what they have been forced to endure throughout and then to have this shocking and tremendous, unexpected blow right here as they were nearing what they very much believed was finally to be the end..well, its just literally gut wrenching even for me, a perfect stranger merely on the outside looking in, with literally no tie or connection in anyway to this family..and yet the pain for which they have now found themselves to be once again firmly within the clutches of ..the no end in sight..and learning that not only is the end NOT NEAR, but the shocking realization that they must literally endure much of the horrific and relentless pain, sorrow, and continued anxiety and worry about their beloved brother's justice and would that justice ever be served on his behalf..

IMO IT TRULY IS EARTH SHATTERING WHAT THEY WERE VERY LITERALLY DRIVEN HEAD ON, AT TOP SPEED STRAIGHT INTO A BRICK WALL OF THIS NON-VERDICT REALITY HAPPENING..MY HEART IS HURTING VERY BADLY FOR THIS FAMILY AND IT IS FOR THEIR PAIN, SORROW, TORTURE, AND LIVING HELL THAT ABOVE ALL ELSE IS TROUBLING TO ME THE VERY MOST.. COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT I AM EXTREMELY LIMITED IN WHAT I AM ABLE TO DO, TO OFFER, TO IN ANY WAY HELP OR EASE IN EVEN THE MOST SMALLEST OF WAYS THIS FAMILY'S HEARTACHE, STRUGGLE, AND CONTINUINING PAIN...I HAVE IMMEDIATELY DONATED MORE MONEY TO HELP EASE ATLEAST THE HARDSHIP FINANCIALLY SPEAKING WRT THEIR FINDING THEMSELVES IN THE NIGHTMARE OF JUSTICE NOT YET SERVED ON BEHALF OF THEIR BROTHER.. ITS THE ABSOLUTE VERY LEAST THAT I CAN DO TO SOMEHOW HELP THIS FAMILY FOR WHOM I AM HURTING SO BADLY FOR AT THE PRESENT TIME IN WHAT HAS BEEN FURTHER HEAPED UPON THEM. I CERTAINLY SO WISH THERE WAS MORE THAT I COULD DO, OFFER, OR IN ANY WAY HELP THESE PRECIOUS SIBLINGS IN THIS THEIR GREATEST TIME OF NEED.

While my greatest heart break is this precious family's continued pain, I also have come to a crossroads, so to speak, regarding my very real faith and belief in our country's justice system..yes, with Caylee's being stripped of justice for her horrific end to her sweet, little, young and innocent life I was indeed very disappointed and disgusted, but never did I truly believe that it was indicative of our justice system actually being "broken" or no longer properly working the way in which it was created and intended to do.. I truly felt as tho, Caylee's Injustice was not at all the rule, but rather it was the very, very rare exception to the rule that we all know realistically has always and will always exist..

I no longer have that mindset.. In fact I have very much the opposite mindset in truly believing our system is absolutely "broken", faulty, and downright is no longer working properly the way in which our founding fathers created and intended it to be.. There is something very, very wrong and I want to preface it by saying that the tired repeating of our system works well and that it is better yet for the guilty to go free than for the innocent to be wrongly convicted and sentenced.. IMO that's bull$hit, plain and simple and quite frankly I've become extremely offended by this used up, repeated cliche regarding the guilty that slither through the cracks.. Its grossly offensive in that these guilty individuals are literally afforded such extreme rights, and literal tip toeing around on eggshells for strait up, soulless, evil individuals "rights"..ensuring to go overboard in bending backward 10times over in letting them literally twist and turn the justice system to such extremes that they are literally giving the legalities all new meaning.. Meaning that is so far removed from what and how our justice system was created to work in ensuring that the guilty are held fully accountable for the crimes they've committed against their innocent victims..and ensuring those innocent victims are not revictimized, further harmed and violated.. That the innocent victims are protected from their perpetrators rather than raped, abused, and slaughtered all over again by the perpetrators.. I now have come to know that the way in which our system of justice was intricately and wonderfully designed to protect those who need, deserve, and require protection from those exact individuals that the system is designed to ensure are fully held responsible, fully accountable, and there for adequately and appropriately punished with penalties and consequences for their crimes.. I now have come to know often times the system is delivering the complete opposite of the intent that it was designed to deliver.

I have come to the brutal realization that the defendants and their counsel have truly transformed the system of "justice" into an unrecognizable system of injustice wrangled through loopholes, continued manipulations, and distortions of what is truth and fact to a system that not only protects the most abhorrent of human beings that roam this earth alongside of us, but very literally rewards the evil.. fully allows through use of the "justice" system to once again horrifically violate, rape, steal, take from, and literally slaughter their victims all over again in the process that was created and intended to hold accountability and ensure severe consequences to those who perpetrate the crimes against the innocent victims..

Over time the continued manipulations and distortions on the part of many defendants and their criminal defense attorneys have broken down the entire core design and intended purpose of our justice system..it has been twisted and turned to work in a counteractive and counter product way in which it is repeatedly working on the behalf of the individuals who are actually responsible for perpetrating the crimes..therefor literally working against the innocent victim for which the system was designed to protect and ensure justice is served on behalf of the crimes committed against them.. The victim becomes the one whose rights are so restricted to an extreme in certain circumstances, with the perpetrator's rights being given an overabundance of protection and even quite literally to the degree of allowing the perp's rights to be so protected and tip toed around that the entire process of our system is defeated with there being no consistency whatsoever in seeing the system serve and ensure justice on behalf of the victims wronged by the righteously protected perpetrators..

I am very personally offended at what very real twisted manipulation has taken place over the course of these last decades in which our system is quite literally flipped in a good amount of cases. The perpetrators of violent crimes who again and again having glaring indicators of they're going to continue to violate, abuse, and even kill innocent victims..yet again and again those exact perpetrators rights are what is of the utmost of importance and again and again they are protected to such a degree that justice is prevented and very literally rape, murder, and other horrendous violent abuses find their way into the lives of more and more innocent victims due to our system NOT WORKING..NOT DOING THE JOB FOR WHICH IT WAS CREATED AND INTENDED TO DO.. INSTEAD WORKING FOR THE VIOLENT OFFENDERS WHO ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON IN REAPING HORRIFIC CRIMES UPON MORE OF THE INNOCENT..

I AM SICK. I AM VERY LITERALLY JUST SICK OVER WHAT HAS BECOME OF THE SYSTEM AND HOW IT HAS BEEN SEVERELY MANIPULATED AND DISTORTED TO A DEGREE THAT IMO IS VERY LITERALLY NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE WORLD IN WHICH WE AND OUR INNOCENT CHILDREN ARE LIVING IN!

<< end of my self serving rant! >>

In going back to this case specifically My heart is truly aching for the Alexander family and the way in which I feel they were literally blindsided at top speed when smacked head on with this NON-VERDICT.. My continued prayers for them now more than ever along with doing what miniscule amount of help/assistance that I can offer in contributing financially to help offset at the very least their continued financial burden from the rendering of NO VERDICT WRT their brother's murderer.

I am fully supportive of whatever path the family chooses to take, be it their desire to dig in their heels, trudging forward with a second seated jury in hopes of Jodi receiving a DEATH PENALTY verdict for her crimes against their beloved brother..or whether they choose to take a different path of less resistance in their needing to bring finality and closure to justice being served for Travis. I am with them 100+% in whichever path they choose and will be of any help and assistance that I can in their seeing this all the way through to the very bittersweet end for their brother, Travis.. I TRULY HOPE that they understand that No matter what some people may strongly opine in their own minds(ie.the jury foreman) about Travis and their belief of the blasphemous bull$hit from the slandering murderer's mouth that this innocent, much too kind hearted for his own good, victim was somehow bearing of responsibility in his vicious murder due to his being abusive toward this heinous, migrating wildebeest that brutally slaughtered him.. Nonetheless I have hope that Travis' 7 siblings know and understand that by far and wide the vast majority of us are fully recognizing of the TRUTH..and that TRUTH is that Travis is the innocent victim here, period!.. and regardless of what the slandering ***** spews from her hideous mouth TRAVIS IS THE ONLY VICTIM THERE IS IN THIS CASE, PERIOD!

TRAVIS ALEXANDER = THE ONLY VICTIM IN THIS PREMEDITATED MURDER CASE!

JODI ARIAS = THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUAL GUILTY OF THE PREMEDITATED MURDER!

May God see fit to bring about the much needed Justice for the ONLY VICTIM there is in this case, Travis!
 
Could someone help me find the juror descriptions? I think one of the court room observers used to have a link to it in their sig. Thanks :)
 
Then you misunderstood me. I wondered why we didn't seem to connect like we used to. I think you are awesome. Your posts are so insightful. If I said anything, I was teasing. Please accept my apology hun? My mom always said, treat others, as you want to be treated. I'm so very sorry if anything I said was offensive. :(


ETA: I love you! :)

Lordy, Tulessa -- I was kidding! LOL :floorlaugh: ((((hugs))))
 
BBM. Tulessa, you told me you didn't like me. I'll let it go, though. ;)

Good for you. It is good spiritual practice to hear strong opinions with which you differ and not break union with that person.

Some of us surround ourselves only with people who agree with our politics, our religion, even our sports preferences. We become like a closed room that never gets any air.

When you are lucky enough to hear something completely different than what you usually hear, lean towards it. There's a learning opportunity for you. Ask the person why they think like they do. They may open up and tell you their life story which leads to the opinion they have. That's a view of the world you would never get to experience.

I may never travel, but I can sure travel in the world of ideas if I remain open. So many people are afraid of the opinions of others--it's like being afraid of salt. Yes, salt can ruin the soil if it's poured in a field just before planting. It can also make a plain beans and rice dish much more savory.

People are not bad if they see things differently than you. Most strong opinions are PERSONAL. They are triggered by personal experiences and feelings in our subconscious minds that we don't even know are there.

We may dislike Juan Martinez and not know why even though we can see he's getting the job done. We may like Nurmi in spite of his slowness of speech because our fav uncle was big and slow like that. The stronger the reaction, the more likely it is to be a projection.
 
the conventional "wisdom" on this. I have long felt that Juan was not concerned with it as it made no difference to his case and could, in fact, be used to highlight her monstrosity by being intimate with someone right before you commit their premeditated murder. But, we are talking about Jodi, a psycho, demented torturing nutjob. Who thinks any story she tells is the truth? The main reason I don't believe it is that it's Jodi's story.

I have imagine many things but who can really replicate her thought process. The pictures I've seen are strange and I never though Travis was willingly posing in the shower either. He did hate her by then but I'm sure he could still muster compassion if she manipulated him properly. I've imagined her showing up with plans of "suicide" for what she'd "done to him" or some other bizarre tale that I can't imagine. I have no problem believing that things are not necessarily what they seemed. She had a plan. That much was clear. Part of that plan required her being able to show up unexpectedly but use something to have him allow her to stay or to force him to let her stay. I don't think he knew she was coming and I don't think they were together from 4:00am on and I don't think Travis was "turned on" by her anymore.

Obviously those of us with alternate views can't explain what did happen. I'm just not willing to believe Jodi's story of what happened because I know she doesn't want anyone to know what actually happened and because she would never tell the truth of what happened. That's her most prized memory and it's hers alone.



Not being facetious but the tone of the above post is vaguely hostile and reads as if I am being challenged to defend a position that I have clearly stated is J. M. O.

People either agree or disagree but I can't engage under these circumstances.

No offense intended.
 
Good for you. It is good spiritual practice to hear strong opinions with which you differ and not break union with that person.

Some of us surround ourselves only with people who agree with our politics, our religion, even our sports preferences. We become like a closed room that never gets any air.

When you are lucky enough to hear something completely different than what you usually hear, lean towards it. There's a learning opportunity for you. Ask the person why they think like they do. They may open up and tell you their life story which leads to the opinion they have. That's a view of the world you would never get to experience.

I may never travel, but I can sure travel in the world of ideas if I remain open. So many people are afraid of the opinions of others--it's like being afraid of salt. Yes, salt can ruin the soil if it's poured in a field just before planting. It can also make a plain beans and rice dish much more savory.

People are not bad if they see things differently than you. Most strong opinions are PERSONAL. They are triggered by personal experiences and feelings in our subconscious minds that we don't even know are there.

We may dislike Juan Martinez and not know why even though we can see he's getting the job done. We may like Nurmi in spite of his slowness of speech because our fav uncle was big and slow like that. The stronger the reaction, the more likely it is to be a projection.

He was pulling my leg hehe! :blowkiss:
 
Please enlighten me on all the Gillian avatars.

A girls gotta know. :giggle:

Good God, I am once again fooled by an avatar and I KNOW the avatar is Travis but whenever I see it, I see it at a glance and I think of you as a man. :blushing: :blushing:
 
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