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It's all good. :) This is why we discuss our thoughts. I get you. I have a friend who is exactly like that. She don't take any bull from anyone and she has no sympathy for people who lose themselves in a toxic relationship. :seeya:

It's easier as we get older and know what works and doesn't. :seeya:
 
Thank you!

I have updated with observations from KCL and earlier threads, plus I think the jurors all have the right numbers now. Thanks TXPro, My3Sons and Katiecoolady!!!

Am I missing anyone? So far we have heard from Tara Kelley, Bill Zervakos, Carol Gosselink, Diane Schwartz and Daniel Gibb. Meliha Omanovic said she would speak out after the trial finishes.

If you have anything else to add, please copy the post instead of quoting it so that we don't lose content.


Please only take information that has been freely given by the jurors and is available on MSM. Please do not sleuth or google private information about the jurors.


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Juror No. 1 - Church Lady

She is a white female in her 60s and sits closest to the witness stand. She doesn't look at Arias often during her testimony. People in the gallery observed her yawning once during an emotional part of Arias' testimony.

This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.

Juror No. 2 - Trump

He is a white male in his 50s. He takes few notes and usually has his head cupped in his hands as he listens to testimony.

I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.

Sorry Juror 2, I know it's your real hair! His voice was strongest on those YES's w/ verdicts. I love him.

Juror No. 3 - Housewife

She is a white female in her 40s. She takes a lot of notes and often watches prosecutor Juan Martinez as he moves around the courtroom. She has been seen submitting questions.

Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.

She became my foreperson pick after CEO was bumped. Tons of notes, attentive. I didn't really see her as anger as much as very attentive.

Juror No. 4 - Grandpa

He is a white male in his 60s, and he takes few notes.

I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.

Juror No. 5 - tri color
Dismissed. Identified herself as 38 year old Meliha Omanovic.
Jodi Arias Trial: Juror 5 Meliha Omanovic says she was booted because of a joke - YouTube

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sits on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a “unique hair style.”

This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.

Juror No. 6 - Nancy Reagan
Has identified herself as Diane Schwartz.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/...5jodi-arias-juror-six-speaks-about-trial.html

She is a white female in her 60s and is also seen taking many notes.

I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes

Of all the jurors, I'd say she had the hardest time not showing emotions.
Mouthed 'I'm so sorry' to the Alexander family after the mistrial.

Juror No. 7 - Paul Rudd

He is a white male in his 30s, and he is married. He takes notes and often bites his nails.

He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.

I always thought he looked like Adam Levine. The trial did look to wear on him as he looked to me like he lost weight and was drawn toward the end.

Juror No. 8 - CEO
Dismissed. Identified himself as 52 year old Daniel Gibb.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51843800

He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.

Juror No. 9 - Willie Nelson

He is a white male in his 60s. He wears denim on most days and sits at the end of the jury box. He sits close to the first row of the gallery where Alexander's family sits.

This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.

He has this long white ponytail but dresses kinda like a golfer. He often went in the front door alone or sat outside on a bench. He was a really hard read for me but rarely took notes.

Juror No. 10 - Barb
Alternate Juror. Identified herself as Carol Gosselink

She is a white female in her 40s. She is an occasional note taker and she often looks at the gallery during sidebars.

I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.

Attentive, more and more toward the end looked out toward the family. Very serious. Looks professional.

Juror No. 11 - Poquito Mas
Dismissed

He is a Hispanic male in his late 20s to early 30s. He dresses casually and sometimes slouches so far down in his chair that he is hardly visible to the gallery. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.

Juror No. 12 - Neil

He is a white male in his 40s.

I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".

He concerned me at first, I don't know why. But toward the end I had great confidence in him. His face gets red when strong emotional things discussed.

Juror No. 13 - Wrestler

He is a white male in his late 20s or early 30s. He appears to be the youngest member of the jury and takes very few notes. He smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future.

I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).

He was extremely attentive in mitigation phase. So much so that I thought he could have been foreperson.

Juror No. 14 - CPA

He is a white male in his early 60s who often swivels in his chair. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.

Juror No. 15 - headphones
Alternate Juror

He is a white male in his late 60s to early 70s. He wears an audio-enhancing headset provided by the court. He does takes notes.

I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?

Juror No. 16 - Maureen

She is a white female in her 40s and also takes lots of notes. She swiveled her chair toward Arias during her testimony.

I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.

I really want to hear from her. Seemed bonded w/ Ponytail. She asked questions, very attentive. Some said she looks like Jodi's mother. Kinda but not really. Same hair color/length. She always had navel intelligence toward the witnesses.

Juror No. 17 - Ponytail
Alternate Juror, identified herself as Tara Kelley
https://twitter.com/tarakelley320

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.

I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.

She wore different hairstyles often, long bangs, ponytail, down, up. Often in very high heels, jeans, sparkly tops. Of course now we love her. And I think she's super cute but have seen more pics of her by now.

Juror No. 18 - The Artist
Foreman. Has identified himself as 69 year old William (Bill) Zervakos
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Jodi Arias Trial FOREMAN Interviewed on GMA after Deadlock | William Zervakos & Jodi Arias Hung Jury - YouTube

He is a white male in his 70s and is married. He has a tattoo on his right arm. He rarely is seen taking notes. He sits the furthest away from the witness.

This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that.

His gait was what gave away his age. He walks like he has some pain but of course that's my job to assess things like that.

Fruity, first of all I'm sorry if I did this wrong...it's late and I don't understand the part about where you said not to quote it but do something else....anyway...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/24/arias-jury-foreman/2359903/

This is the link for article where Carol Gosselink, juror 10 is quoted.
 
I guess I'm not going to church tomorrow...:blushing:

I can't believe how fast time flys here!

Nite all!
 
I definitely had you pegged as a jury consultant, a journalist I am not fond of, or Nurmi. So, you do appear "pro- Jodi". Scratch Nurmi, he doesn't like her 9 out of 10 days.

Speaking of Nurmi…I wonder if he and Wilma drank themselves into a coma Thursday night celebrating not having to put up with Jodi for a few weeks. I think I would have, and I don't even drink!:floorlaugh:
 
I was somewhere the other day (in a locker room), where they had tile on the ground and walls...lighter in color than Travis' bathroom, but size and style were the same. I got a flash picture of Travis' bathroom in my mind.

And I thought....I wish someday someone takes CMJA back to that bathroom and makes her sit in there for a day or two. Preferably right before her execution date, so they take her straight from the bathroom and put the needle in her. I think that is the ONLY thing that would affect her. Just make her sit there and FORCE her to re-live what happened. In isolation and think about everything that she caused in that bathroom. I don't know, maybe she is so evil that it won't shake her. But I imagine that that would be a great punishment for her b/c then she won't be allowed to escape it in her mind....she will have to sit there and she will have to re-live it and she will have to think about it.

I think it's a shame that she is allowed to escape from the memories, not in a "fog" sense, but in the sense that she does not allow her mind to go there. She is allowed to block it out by drawing, by sitting in court, by talking to her lawyers, but decorating her jail cell, by talking to her parents when they visit, by doing media interviews, by talking to the guards everywhere, by talking to her "roomates", etc, etc..

Put her in that bathroom and make her re-live it.

What if sitting in that bathroom reliving it was a very gratifying moment for her? I don't believe she would feel sad or remorseful.
 
Look at the expression of JSS in photo #36 at the link. (didn't want to post photo due to copyright) To me it says "Are you kidding me? Shut up and sit down!" I would like to use expletives but I will keep it clean for WS!

http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130509jodi-arias-murder-trial-photos.html

Well hello photo #2. He looks like a cross between David Duchovny and Tony Hawk! What a cutie.

JSS does look like she's trying not to roll her eyes in #36.
 
I never saw any evidence that they actually had sex that day...just Jodi's word and the photos of a nude Travis (alone, not looking at the camera) and a nude Jodi which I don't believe was taken by Travis. I think she sat the camera on the dresser, nightstand or other piece of furniture in the room and used the timer on the camera to take the photos of herself while Travis was in the shower. jmo

I still don't understand why she would do that. She was there to murder him and she'd taken steps to try and show she hadn't been there. Then she deleted those pics and tried to destroy the camera. It just makes no sense she was taking clandestine pics of herself.
 
Thanks is not enough! I especially was intrigued by Juror #6's interview.

My pleasure! I just did a bunch of cutting and pasting, it wasn't hard on my part.

I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of her interview.
 
:seeya: :bedtime: I'm off to bed :offtobed: G'nite all!
 
I'm sure this has already been posted ... but for anyone (like me) who hasn't read it (until now) this is superb.

I just hope the Jury Foreman gets to read it and possibly reflect on some of the things he has said in his various interviews ....

http://camillekimball.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/jury-foreman-for-jodi-arias-crime.html#comment-form

That's so interesting. I just posted on the KCL thread that she observed jurors #3, 6 and 16 were crying when the mistrial announced.

*IF* jurors 3 and 16 were crying for the same reason as #6 (who identified herself as Diane Schwartz, the one who said "I'm so sorry" to the Alexander family and confirmed that she voted for the DP) then perhaps Juror 1 voted for life.

Having said that, my theory is pure speculation. There are MANY reasons a person might cry at that time. I can imagine being upset at the family having to go through it all again (if the foreman didn't understand that there would be a mistrial and it came as a shock) even if I couldn't convince myself to vote for DP.
 
I'd thought about that, too. After eight weeks of solitary with no one to eff with and no admirers (even if they only exist in her head), will she be a broken down shell or will she shock the heck out of everyone and stride (well, as much as she can stride in shackles) into the courtroom looking as she'd been away on vacation?

I'm thinking she'll appear very flat and medicated the way she did after she was put on suicide watch....only worse. But that would be the normal reaction and we're talking about JA so who knows???? I do believe she's on a downward spiral though and may be encouraged by her DT to play up the cray cray to save her life and it just may work.
On the other hand she may not want to save her own life after a few months of living with herself 23 hours a day. I imagine her Mother will be going back to Cali and without visits from her favorite parolee or access to the crowds wanting reading, spanish and sign language lessons she'll be wishing she was dead. Her birthday is in early July isn't it? Happy Day now eat your soy slop.
Here's a newspaper that doesn't even mention you for your big day. :jail:
 
I heard/read a media report that neither JM or KN bothered to do the "usual" post verdict meeting with the jury. I think is is standard in most jurisdictions. You can always ask on the legal question thread for an answer from one of our wonderful attorneys.
IIRC, during the video showing the jurors boarding the bus, the narrative states that they were surprised to have caught them because they thought they must have left by a different exit as it was some 2 1/2 hours since court had ended.

There is no law in any state that either requires jurors or denies jurors the opportunity to be debriefed by BOTH sides. The only guidelines I'm aware of are that the debriefing takes place with both sides present. Whether that applies to Arizona I don't know.
 
I'm thinking she'll appear very flat and medicated the way she did after she was put on suicide watch....only worse. But that would be the normal reaction and we're talking about JA so who knows???? I do believe she's on a downward spiral though and may be encouraged by her DT to play up the cray cray to save her life and it just may work.
On the other hand she may not want to save her own life after a few months of living with herself 23 hours a day. I imagine her Mother will be going back to Cali and without visits from her favorite parolee or access to the crowds wanting reading, spanish and sign language lessons she'll be wishing she was dead. Her birthday is in early July isn't it? Happy Day now eat your soy slop.
Here's a newspaper that doesn't even mention you for your big day. :jail:

I'm honestly not too sure. Jodi Arias is not like other human beings. Amongst all the other things she is, she is also a self deluding liar who can turn black to white and day to night in her own warped mind. I think she will be buoyed by the inability of the jurors to agree on sending her to death row. Willmott's smile when it was announced shows that they are not displeased, and I think she will encourage Jodi - 'we've got to four of them, we only need to do the same, or even less next time ... and we are home and dry'.

Jodi isn't going away into retirement, skulking away in her cell. Her defence team are going to be reviewing evidence, rewatching the trial, taking note of juror comments even from positive (to them) jurors like the foreman who said she didn't do herself any favours on the stand, probably honing in more on 'emotional' and 'verbal' abuse .. rather than trying to persuade that she was battered physically and that he was a paedophile ... both of which failed to persuade.

As the prosecution will be reviewing every detail, so will the defence and I really think Jodi will be buoyed up by this. She thinks she is so intellectually superior and persuasive (manipulative in our language), I think she will thrive on the challenge of knowing that she's going to get another shot at it, and this time (in her mind) she'll do better. She'll be running it over and over in her mind - every move, gesture, mannerism, word .. and rehearsing for her next Oscar winning performance.

I personally think she'll come back full of beans, I really do. She thrives on scheming and planning and rehearsing ... and she is so self delusional that a few positive words from Wilmott and Nurmi and her other supporters will have her believing that she's 'won' somehow and only needs to improve on her performance to 'win' again. I personally think she'll be humming (or singing :floorlaugh:) quite happily to herself in that cell of hers as she awaits the retrial of the penalty phase. Not least, it means she gets the limelight she craves, once again.

Just my opinion of course .. but I don't think anyone, anywhere, should underestimate the capacity of Jodi's own self delusion and her ability to lie to herself as easily as she lies to everyone else.
 
I'm with you Martha Morris. JA will cook up a new and better little girl appearance scheme. But, how long can that last?

If she is on the stand for any reason again, I say let her answer the questions. Nudge her to get on topic, but not just yes or no. Let her talk and slip up like she has in the interviews. Her own words do her in.
 
Fair enough. I just find it odd he was having a hard time finding a wife at his age.

Seriously?

I got married at 40 years old. My husband was also 40. First marriage for BOTH of us. I guess people thought of me/us as "odd" because we had a hard time finding a "wife/husband" at that age, huh?

It is not "odd". Over time people have been getting married at older ages. Back in 1961 my mother got married at 19 and had me at 20. Doesn't happen much anymore does it?

Imagine all the "odd" 30+ year olds walking around today! Can't find a "wife", can't find a "husband"....
 
Correct, but if the jurors saw this there is a "history" from others stating Travis' behaviours, then saying if was just to get rid of Jodi?

Anyways... Jodi covered her rear good as she has left no trace or mentions of Travis abusing her.

BBM

Not exactly the best words to describe the defendant in this case. :lol:
 
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