SIDEBAR #7- Arias/Alexander forum

[aa9511]

Nite all.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

BBM

:floorlaugh:

There were 4 women in deliberations....2 have spoken out as having voted for Death...#6 and #16. That leaves 2 women "unaccounted" for in deliberations....#1. Church Lady and #3. Housewife.

There were 4 ppl voted for life...one of them is #18. Foreman. Juror 6 said there was no gender "trending" in the 4 life voters,when asked about who voted for life. That means at least 1 of the 4 had to be a woman. So at least 1. Chuch Lady or 3. Houwife vote for life, maybe both.

I'm worried thought, with all the flack Foreman is getting, that they will never come forward to speak. So then we will have to go by exclusion.

Sorry. I missed #6 and #16 saying they voted for Death. You have a link for this? :seeya:

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

https://twitter.com/tarakelley320

Ruh-Roh...New tweets

 

[gauntlet]

I will leave that up to Gauntlet - Maybe Gauntlet has already forwarded it to the two jurors that will be on Dr. Drew Tuesday?

Is anyone forwarding the WS "What the Jury Doesn't Know List" to the jurors? Any news on that?

Tara hasn't replied. However looking at the list, I think there's a lot she has now covered. Also, some things we wrote in point form so they probably wouldn't make that much sense to her anyhow. Maybe if Tricia gets her on here, we'll try again.

ETA - I just asked her again but if she doesn't reply, I won't be asking her again as I don't want to hassle her.

 

[fruity]

In case anyone is interested, here is the updated juror descriptions post. Names, ages and a couple of interviews have been added.

Please feel free to add any observations, links or interviews!!
A thread about the jurors will be made in a few days and I'm hoping to post this in it.

Can I please ask that someone else keeps a copy of this, so that I don't have to pester the mods if a thread is closed while I'm sleeping again? :lol:

Thank you Bessie, for sending it to me after I couldn't access it, and thank you Beach for sending it to my email. I figure if we have a few copies floating around it's for the best.


If you have anything else to add, please copy the post instead of quoting it so that we don't lose content.


Please only take information that has been freely given by the jurors and is available on MSM. Please do not sleuth or google private information about the jurors.


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Juror No. 1 - Church Lady

She is a white female in her 60s and sits closest to the witness stand. She doesn't look at Arias often during her testimony. People in the gallery observed her yawning once during an emotional part of Arias' testimony.

This lady looks absolutely disgusted the whole time. I never once saw her look in the direction of JA. Not ONCE. She either stares straight forward or looks at JM.

Juror No. 2 - Trump

He is a white male in his 50s. He takes few notes and usually has his head cupped in his hands as he listens to testimony.

I called this guy "Comb Over" he had his head resting on his hand almost the whole time. He also never looks at JA. He seemed to be paying attention, but also seemed bored.

Sorry Juror 2, I know it's your real hair! His voice was strongest on those YES's w/ verdicts. I love him.

Juror No. 3 - Housewife
Was crying when mistrial was announced.

She is a white female in her 40s. She takes a lot of notes and often watches prosecutor Juan Martinez as he moves around the courtroom. She has been seen submitting questions.

Interesting different view today. I called her the "Angry Neighbor Lady" Lol. I wrote that she follows along, but has a constant "sour puss". I don't know if it's just "her look" or what, but she seemed to be frowning every time I looked at her.

She became my foreperson pick after CEO was bumped. Tons of notes, attentive. I didn't really see her as anger as much as very attentive.

Juror No. 4 - Grandpa

He is a white male in his 60s, and he takes few notes.

I also named this man Grandpa. He does have a sweet face and seems the "calm" type.

Juror No. 5 - tri color
Dismissed. Identified herself as 38 year old Meliha Omanovic.
Jodi Arias Trial: Juror 5 Meliha Omanovic says she was booted because of a joke - YouTube

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She sits on the edge of her seat and is the most visible juror from the gallery because she has a “unique hair style.”

This is the only one I remembered Anita's name for because her hair stood out, Lol. She reminded me of my best friend. She probably gave more facial expressions than any of the others. She is very engaged and took a fair amount of notes.

Juror No. 6 - Nancy Reagan
Has identified herself as Diane Schwartz.
Was crying when mistrial was announced. Mouthed "I'm so sorry" to the Alexander family.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...5jodi-arias-juror-six-speaks-about-trial.html

She is a white female in her 60s and is also seen taking many notes.

I called her Spikey Hair. Anita's description is better. She was the only one I saw look at Jodi when the jury first walked in. She took a lot of notes

Of all the jurors, I'd say she had the hardest time not showing emotions.

Juror No. 7 - Paul Rudd

He is a white male in his 30s, and he is married. He takes notes and often bites his nails.

He does look like Paul Rudd, but with shorter hair. He's a good looking young man.

I always thought he looked like Adam Levine. The trial did look to wear on him as he looked to me like he lost weight and was drawn toward the end.

Juror No. 8 - CEO
Dismissed. Identified himself as 52 year old Daniel Gibb.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51843800

He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

I called this guy "The Dad". He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason... I got a fatherly feel from him.

Juror No. 9 - Willie Nelson

He is a white male in his 60s. He wears denim on most days and sits at the end of the jury box. He sits close to the first row of the gallery where Alexander's family sits.

This guy looked PIZZED the whole time. He seemed to be staring towards the media lady or just into the corner. I only saw him look at JM or JA maybe once.

He has this long white ponytail but dresses kinda like a golfer. He often went in the front door alone or sat outside on a bench. He was a really hard read for me but rarely took notes.

Juror No. 10 - Barb
Alternate Juror. Identified herself as Carol Gosselink
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/24/arias-jury-foreman/2359903/
(article has quote from Carol Gosselink, video of foreman is shown)

She is a white female in her 40s. She is an occasional note taker and she often looks at the gallery during sidebars.

I called this lady "Plain Jane" She was very hard to see from where I was, but I could tell she was taking notes quite a bit.

Attentive, more and more toward the end looked out toward the family. Very serious. Looks professional.

Juror No. 11 - Poquito Mas
Dismissed

He is a Hispanic male in his late 20s to early 30s. He dresses casually and sometimes slouches so far down in his chair that he is hardly visible to the gallery. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called him "Paco" He was hard to see too, but mostly because he was slouched down in his seat I thought he'd fall off Lol. At one point he was bent over instead of slouching, but still very hard to see.

Juror No. 12 - Neil

He is a white male in his 40s.

I called this guy "Jim" I wrote "very hard to read".

He concerned me at first, I don't know why. But toward the end I had great confidence in him. His face gets red when strong emotional things discussed.

Juror No. 13 - Wrestler
Identified himself as Kevin Spellman

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...an-marilou-allen-coogan-speak-out-about-trial
(video of Jurors 6, 13 and 16 speaking together)

He is a white male in his late 20s or early 30s. He appears to be the youngest member of the jury and takes very few notes. He smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future.

I called this guy "The Jock" He reminded me a little of Oz on American Pie (Chris Klein).

He was extremely attentive in mitigation phase. So much so that I thought he could have been foreperson.

Juror No. 14 - CPA

He is a white male in his early 60s who often swivels in his chair. He does not appear to be taking notes.

I called this guy Sleepy. He swiveled in his chair a lot and fell asleep at least twice. He was also slouched down in his chair.

Juror No. 15 - headphones
Alternate Juror

He is a white male in his late 60s to early 70s. He wears an audio-enhancing headset provided by the court. He does takes notes.

I called him "Captain" He has a very intense gaze. It's hard to describe but he gives off a stubborn and no bs vibe. Maybe ex military or something?

Juror No. 16 - Maureen
Identified herself as 52 year old Marilou Allen-Coogan
Was crying after mistrial was announced.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22428063/arias-juror-no-16-says-she-feels-relieved-satisfied

She is a white female in her 40s and also takes lots of notes. She swiveled her chair toward Arias during her testimony.

I called her The Secretary. She took a lot of notes and had a "polished" look to her. She had her whole body turned facing Jodi. I barely saw her look at JM. She was the only one that really made me feel nervous at all.

I really want to hear from her. Seemed bonded w/ Ponytail. She asked questions, very attentive. Some said she looks like Jodi's mother. Kinda but not really. Same hair color/length. She always had navel intelligence toward the witnesses.

Juror No. 17 - Ponytail
Alternate Juror, identified herself as Tara Kelley
https://twitter.com/tarakelley320

She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.

I called her frumpy lady. Not in a rude way... it's just the word that came to mind. Very plain. She took a lot of notes.

She wore different hairstyles often, long bangs, ponytail, down, up. Often in very high heels, jeans, sparkly tops. Of course now we love her. And I think she's super cute but have seen more pics of her by now.

Juror No. 18 - The Artist
Foreman. Has identified himself as 69 year old William (Bill) Zervakos
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Jodi Arias Trial FOREMAN Interviewed on GMA after Deadlock | William Zervakos & Jodi Arias Hung Jury - YouTube

He is a white male in his 70s and is married. He has a tattoo on his right arm. He rarely is seen taking notes. He sits the furthest away from the witness.

This guy also had a very intense gaze. He took some notes. He rubbed his face and tapped his fingers to his lips a lot. He wasn't the only one doing stuff like that.

His gait was what gave away his age. He walks like he has some pain but of course that's my job to assess things like that.

 

[fruity]

Sorry. I missed #6 and #16 saying they voted for Death. You have a link for this? :seeya:

Here's a link to their interview:
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...an-marilou-allen-coogan-speak-out-about-trial

 

[Emmi]

We already have laws concerning animal cruelty, and they are far more humane than the laws we have for human beings. That was the point. Human beings are supposed to be considered more important than animals, yet we have animal cruelty laws that are more humane than laws for human beings. And we recognize that a dog that killed someone doesn't have the capacity to think as a human being but will think like a dog and rightfully blame the dog's owner for the dog being dangerous and given the opportunity and desire to kill someone. Yet we DON'T believe that it's proper to punish the dog by confining it to a too-small cage without interaction with others for 23 hours a day for the rest of its life because we rightfully believe that a dog forced to live in those conditions is cruel regardless of what the dog did or how dangerous it may be to others.

That's the whole point. We recognize that treating a dangerous dog to solitary confinement 23 hours a day for the rest of its life is considered cruel but we don't consider that cruel to do to a human being. We also DO have many and large organizations dedicated to rehabilitating dangerous dogs so that they may be able to live freely again with a new and responsible owner, yet our prison system is designed to not attempt rehabilitation of human beings and usually makes prisoners even MORE criminally minded.

Ironically, we also believe that euthanizing an animal to end it's pain and misery from illness or old age is considered a kindness, yet we force human beings to suffer pain and misery until they die naturally and refuse them the decision for themselves whether or not to be euthanized.

Solitary confinement is psychological torture. We've long since discovered this with the first experiment of it at the Eastern State Penitentury in Philly. The idea had nothing but good intensions as the belief at the time was that isolation brought a person closer to God and thus would reform the prisoner, but the actuality was an epic disaster. Prisoners went crazy and committed suicide in unbelievable numers. Eventually, Eastern State understood that isolation only made people insane and changed their system to allow prisoners to interact and given more freedom of movement. Eventually, it closed yet still stands today rotting away. Since other countries modeled their prison systems after Eastern State with the same results, they also abandoned solitary confinement as a form of torture that did the opposite of rehabilitating. The US is the only country that has fallen back on the use of solitary confirement when history already has shown the results. Long term solitary confinement creates more dangerous prisoners and makes them insane. There is NO QUESTION that it is cruel and inhumane and that it is psychological torture. We've long since already learned this yet we're doing it again. We invented it, we learned that it made people more dangerous and crazy, yet we've gone back to doing it after everything we learned about it.

Excellent post--thank you. I agree that solitary confinement is not punishment but torture.

 

[polleypockets]

We already have laws concerning animal cruelty, and they are far more humane than the laws we have for human beings. That was the point. Human beings are supposed to be considered more important than animals, yet we have animal cruelty laws that are more humane than laws for human beings. And we recognize that a dog that killed someone doesn't have the capacity to think as a human being but will think like a dog and rightfully blame the dog's owner for the dog being dangerous and given the opportunity and desire to kill someone. Yet we DON'T believe that it's proper to punish the dog by confining it to a too-small cage without interaction with others for 23 hours a day for the rest of its life because we rightfully believe that a dog forced to live in those conditions is cruel regardless of what the dog did or how dangerous it may be to others.

That's the whole point. We recognize that treating a dangerous dog to solitary confinement 23 hours a day for the rest of its life is considered cruel but we don't consider that cruel to do to a human being. We also DO have many and large organizations dedicated to rehabilitating dangerous dogs so that they may be able to live freely again with a new and responsible owner, yet our prison system is designed to not attempt rehabilitation of human beings and usually makes prisoners even MORE criminally minded.

Ironically, we also believe that euthanizing an animal to end it's pain and misery from illness or old age is considered a kindness, yet we force human beings to suffer pain and misery until they die naturally and refuse them the decision for themselves whether or not to be euthanized.

Solitary confinement is psychological torture. We've long since discovered this with the first experiment of it at the Eastern State Penitentury in Philly. The idea had nothing but good intensions as the belief at the time was that isolation brought a person closer to God and thus would reform the prisoner, but the actuality was an epic disaster. Prisoners went crazy and committed suicide in unbelievable numers. Eventually, Eastern State understood that isolation only made people insane and changed their system to allow prisoners to interact and given more freedom of movement. Eventually, it closed yet still stands today rotting away. Since other countries modeled their prison systems after Eastern State with the same results, they also abandoned solitary confinement as a form of torture that did the opposite of rehabilitating. The US is the only country that has fallen back on the use of solitary confirement when history already has shown the results. Long term solitary confinement creates more dangerous prisoners and makes them insane. There is NO QUESTION that it is cruel and inhumane and that it is psychological torture. We've long since already learned this yet we're doing it again. We invented it, we learned that it made people more dangerous and crazy, yet we've gone back to doing it after everything we learned about it.

well, first where did you get this research from and you can't compare animas fighting to JA saughtering TA - totally dofferent oprah and if a dog kills some one the owner doesn't get LWOP - no comparison here

what would you suggest, let her live in a nice place so she can just trace pictures and hang out w/ her new prison sisters all day?? TA doesn't get that choice

and also would you rather be in solitary confinement in the US or in general population in a prison in mexico, south korea, iran, just to name a few

you can rehab a crack addict who is stealing, but it is impossible to rehab a sociopath

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Tara hasn't replied. However looking at the list, I think there's a lot she has now covered. Also, some things we wrote in point form so they probably wouldn't make that much sense to her anyhow. Maybe if Tricia gets her on here, we'll try again.

She just started twittering like crazy - Go !!!

 

[kkdj]

My husband doesn't know how to even start a computer. Maybe I should have learned something there.....

I know very little about comps. But I get people big time!!!
My hubby gets computers, doesnt think about how people tick emotionally.
but its a no brainer to him.
he pegged alv being attracted to jodi as well as a juror in the dp deliberations.
it was plain english to him

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Here's a link to their interview:
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...an-marilou-allen-coogan-speak-out-about-trial

Thanks - I'll go listen now...

 

[cubbeegirl]

I'm way behind, but found on Tara Kelley's twitter that Dr. Drew will have both Jurors #6 and #17 on his show Tuesday. Can someone remind me of who Juror #6 is? I know a female and I believe was in deliberations. Please confirm.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/05/26/two-arias-jurors-speak-dr-drew-tuesday

(Is she the one that told the Alexander family that she was sorry?)

While I am happy to hear they will be on the show, we probably wont get to hear alot from them due to them being interrupted every time they start to tell us something jmo

And yes...juror 6 is the one who mouthed I'm sorry to the Alexanders... I really like her...intelligent lady...great juror imo

 

[polleypockets]

Tara hasn't replied. However looking at the list, I think there's a lot she has now covered. Also, some things we wrote in point form so they probably wouldn't make that much sense to her anyhow. Maybe if Tricia gets her on here, we'll try again.

ETA - I just asked her again but if she doesn't reply, I won't be asking her again as I don't want to hassle her.

Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 2m

@chrisbr40 there r definitely haters trust me! But they aren't gonna bring me down! I wanna share my story not become famous!

https://twitter.com/tarakelley320

sounds like she is getting a lot of haters on twitter, may be we could just tweet her and let her know how much support she has??

 

[Madeleine74]

This is why CMja did over-kill victim Travis Alexander -3 horrific ways...and also why she stated " no jury will convict me".

Because "no one" would ever think a girl could do such a thing,or that an evil succubus as she existed, who could do such a thing.

Anyone who's heard of and knows the details of the Tate/LaBianca murders by the Manson family (including 3 girls in their early 20's) knows exactly how evil and brutal girls can be with knives and that was 1969. And let's not forget Lizzy Borden for those who might want to go further back in time. In more recent years we have Susan Wright of TX (she all of 100 lbs tied up and stabbed her 200 lb abusive husband 190+ times). There are many examples of females who 'overkill' using knives. It may not be an everyday occurrence, but it's not all that rare either.

 

[gauntlet]

Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 2m

@chrisbr40 there r definitely haters trust me! But they aren't gonna bring me down! I wanna share my story not become famous!

https://twitter.com/tarakelley320

sounds like she is getting a lot of haters on twitter, may be we could just tweet her and let her know how much support she has??

Just said thanks for her openness, humor and honesty too. I sent her a link to the list again btw but if she doesn't reply, I won't ask her again. Don't want to hassle her.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

While I am happy to hear they will be on the show, we probably wont get to hear alot from them due to them being interrupted every time they start to tell us something jmo

And yes...juror 6 is the one who mouthed I'm sorry to the Alexanders... I really like her...intelligent lady...great juror imo

I don't suppose we will get to hear about how the JF insisted that he be the JF. I think she would have been a better JF but that's MOO.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Just told her thanks too. I sent her a link to the list again btw but if she doesn't reply, I won't ask her again. Don't want to hassle her.

Can't you even entice? Like offer her the link "What The Jurors Did Not Know"?

Just throw it out there - She might eventually respond.

 

[fruity]

I miss a lot, living on the other side of the world. I know that Daniel Gibb addressed it, but have any of the other jurors spoken about Jodi's pedophile lies?

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

I miss a lot, living on the other side of the world. I know that Daniel Gibb addressed it, but have any of the other jurors spoken about Jodi's pedophile lies?

Yes. At least alternate juror #17 tweeted that the claim "was so far out there it was unbelievable to her".

You know, kinda like the claim that she was kicked by Travis and he mended her broken finger with "popsicle sticks". You know Travis kept popsicle sticks handy around the house in case he kicked some liars hands while she was trying to fight him off...

https://twitter.com/tarakelley320

 

[fruity]

I'm glad to hear she didn't believe it.

I hadn't heard about the popsicle sticks. I knew about the 'bent' finger, but not that he fixed it too. Ha! How ridiculous.