SIDEBAR #7- Arias/Alexander forum

[artsy1]

Maybe this has been brought up before, but IMHO, I kind of wish the family would accept life. I know that JA DESERVES death, but my biggest concern is all the appeals that are automatic when you are sentenced to death.

What if JA is sentenced to death, and gets an appellate judge who believes there was some kind of legal error in the trial and orders a retrial. In a retrial, JA can use a different strategy (and now that jury is talking, she knows what the best areas to focus), and might play up the BPD next time. There's no guarantee that in a retrial, she'll get another jury to agree to premeditated first degree murder.

IMHO, life in prison beats rolling the dice on a possible new trial outcome. With as many times as Nurmi filed to get off the case over the past 5 years, I can't believe that wouldn't weigh heavy in the mind of an appellate judge as "ineffective counsel". :stormingmad:

 

[DAWN TREADER]

I am too. I as a practioner in the discipline of psychology, find ALV to be a disgrace to the field, PERIOD. But what is more important is it is clear that her testimony impacted one, if not some, of the jurors and it is postively maddening to know that. There is EVIDENCE that Travis was a victim of stalking, yet there appears to be some buy-in to ALV's CODED interpretations.

It seriously boggles the mind.

BBM

I second that emotion .. Yes it does.

FYI - Thanks again for the link to Shrink4men it's a fantastic website I'm currently reading more from Dr Tara J. Palmatier I really like her writing style and find her expertise in this area to be quite informative and compelling.

http://www.shrink4men.com/2012/12/10/comments-from-the-edge-what-your-npdbpd-says-vs-what-she-means/

 

[MidwestMama]

I can't image being a juror and expected to sit there with a straight face.
I would have bitten a hole through my tongue! I'm kinda an expressive gal, and I use my whole face ... I would have required a hunk of duck tape to stop from laughing at some of Juan's barbs, and my entire face full Botox .. And dark sunglasses so no one could see my eyes rolling!






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Hi all :seeya:

Unexpected out of town company...ARGH! But I'm back.

I agree. There would have been several times I don't know if I could have held back laughter (hoard of screwdriver carrying skateboarders, what were you going to do with an unloaded gun? throw it at him? etc) and there would have been times I wouldn't have been able to stop my jaw from dropping (so if someone is dead you can't get information from them? If you were in my group I would give you a time out.)

Everyone always tells me my feelings are written all over my face. I can't help it, even when I try. And, yes... this gets me into trouble sometimes :blushing:

 

[MidwestMama]

Agree completely. He stated himself that he didn't feel like he should have that "burden." WTF???? He knew going in this might come to the death penalty stage???? I don't understand him at all.

This is what I think happened: Yes, he could vote for the death penalty....but only for men, or fat women with hair on their face. He could neeever vote for death for a purty young thing like Ms. Jodi Ann. That's why he all of sudden felt like it was too much of a "burden." It would NOT have been a burden in any other case.

I agree. I think if it would have been a man who did this he would have held out until all agreed on death. He didn't push because a hung jury was better in his mind than DP (JMO)

 

[VivianVance]

Exactly as it should be in here. Tear the roof off!

parliament - give up the funk - YouTube

It's about time!

Rufus & Chaka Khan - Ain't Nobody - YouTube

 

[kkdj]

I don't think she's capable of telling the truth, in a Casey Anthony sort of way (remember "The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers"?). Anyway, who would believe her? I'd rate her odds 10/90.

I know someone who lies whenever she is speaking. It's so frustrating! Now I just don't care what she says, I just figure its a lie. This woman chooses to lie because its her way of controlling others. See, we never know whats really going on. We are always fooled and tricked, manipulated. I believe this is what Jodi has done all of her life. Zero sincerity in any relationship.

 

[KMouse]

Can you imagine what our topic of conversations would be during the trial when we CAN'T discuss the case? :floorlaugh:

emus. Definitely emus.

 

[MidwestMama]

IIRC, the 5/26 text was the only incident of "verbal abuse" that was ever uncovered. I'll bet JM already has someone digging deeper as to what precipitated that message ...

And he needs to find a way to get her responses before and during this in the courtroom too (IMO)

 

[MidwestMama]

BBM....SAME here Linda! I can remember thinking "WTF is wrong with this person, she's obviously deluded!"

OT
Rosemary :seeya:

Are you and Kyle home yet?
How are you both doing?

 

[Bernina]

I thought juror 9 was rude. He knew leaving the rest of the group and getting on a bus was going to draw attention to himself. It's fine if he didn't want to comment but he could have been a little more cordial at the beginning instead of just saying, "No comment" over and over.
Loved those 3 jurors that gave the interview. The short haired woman was #6?
Wish she would have been the foreman. And the dark haired woman, was she the one Jean C. kept talking about? And what number was the guy? Was he the wrestler?

He's always taken the rail back and forth to court, been out front after court, and if not responding to the media after their first few questions, THEY should have backed off. Seriously, getting on the light rail with him? Does "stalking" come to mind?
Who was being "rude"? He is under absolutely NO OBLIGATION to speak to the media. And the decision had been made by the jurors to hold off any statements til AFTER the Memorial Day weekend, he was honoring that agreement.

 

[marlap]

Exactly as it should be in here. Tear the roof off!

parliament - give up the funk - YouTube

I love Parliament! George Clinton is the bomb. Speaking of funk...

My ex-husband was the bass player in a local funk band in the 80s and Bootsy Collins heard him play once and complimented him after the show.

When I met my husband he had moved on to a punk band, but his first band was new wave. He always used to say his next band would be a country band

 

[Tipstaff]

LOL I've got a ways to go.

Post them - we will all help!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[VivianVance]

I am not ashamed to say that I saw New Edition in concert a million years ago and also not ashamed to say as soon as he went out on his own, I bought the CASSETTE lol and played it completely out.

I still remember all the lyrics to "My Prerogative," "Rock Witchoo," lol "Don't Be Cruel," "Every Little Step," and "Roni."

I also dated a guy at the time specifically because he was cute as h$ll and could dance just like Bobbbbbbbby.

Shallow youth. What can I tell you.:blushing:

Great stories - I can relate. I hit the bonus round when I had a boyfriend who looked like John Lennon AND George Harrison (obviously I'm a tad older than you!). Hot stuff for sure!

(love your posts!)

 

[bznbear]

In addition to your article, I HIGHLY recommend the following articles on Female Stalkers to understand what Travis was experiencing;

http://www.shrink4men.com/2011/02/0...-is-stalking-and-can-men-be-stalked-by-women/

http://www.shrink4men.com/2011/02/1...ecklist-of-stalking-and-harassment-behaviors/

http://www.shrink4men.com/2011/02/1...ex-girlfriend-who-wont-take-no-for-an-answer/

Not only is this information incredibly accurate, Dr Palmatier, has referenced her sources for further research. THESE FACTS AS THEY RELATE TO JA SHOULD BE PRESENTED IN THE SENTENCING PHASE IMHO

ALV would do well to read these.

 

[websurfer]

:noooo::waiting::furious:



i have not watched or wanted to UTTER that killer's name again. I could not even watch tv when she was on with her voice and lying.
I do not dislike the jury..LWOP would have been better than this...
I am just sick of her and her running the USA ...from her jail cell.:jail:

 

[MidwestMama]

Can you imagine facing an entire jury of Websleuthers? The mind reels!
:scared:

OMG! Can you imagine how many questions would be in the juror question box?

 

[SyraKelly]

For those who are interested, this is a great read.

Poor Travis - precisely because he was such a kind and tender hearted person he was easily targeted, manipulated and exploited by Jodi Arias.

Second, while we may never know what really went down on June 4, 2008 we know she knew how to gain access into his home without his permission or even awareness and once inside she knew how to maneuver him into the most vulnerable position before unleashing the full force of her rage.

How a Borderline Personality Disorder Love Relationship Evolves

The Vulnerable Seducer, The Clinger, The Hater.

http://www.bpdfamily.com/bpdresources/nk_a101.htm

If the DT sees this & calls him as a witness,its Jodi ticket off DR

His last line is what will do it for the jury IMO

 

[Sleuth5]

I love Parliament! George Clinton is the bomb. Speaking of funk...

My ex-husband was the bass player in a local funk band in the 80s and Bootsy Collins heard him play once and complimented him after the show.

When I met my husband he had moved on to a punk band, but his first band was new wave. He always used to say his next band would be a country band

Wow! Did somebody say Bootsie?

"Flash Light" by Parliament - YouTube

 

[Sleuth5]

Post them - we will all help!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I may take you up on that.

 

[MidwestMama]

And she may as well be in prison because her isolation part is the same. Gives her lots of time to think until July 18th. I think if it were me I would just tell the truth. Most people believe the worst already. Just ask JM for mercy and she is willing to tell what happened in exchange for LWOP. It's a 50/50 shot and better odds than with a jury.

Maybe right now is even worse for her. She knows all her little "inmate fans" are there and she has no contact with them. Must drive her crazy to not have control and not be getting attention. Guards are likely not too happy having to deal with Little Miss Media either. Can't imagine they are going out of their way to feel sorry for her.