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[krkrjx]

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I tried for it and just a blank sheet of paper from the White House.
I dont think it would work.

It works. You have to click on the "We the People" icon. Then on the top click on "Open Petitions." Then scroll through the list til you find it. It's on about page 3, I believe.

It will probably go nowhere because "We the People" is just a phrase that means little. Back when our government was new and our Constitution was born, that phrase had meaning; today it does not seem to have meaning.

But, it never hurts to try. It takes all of a couple minutes to voice an opinion on issues that affect us all. It costs nothing more than a few minutes of your time. And all Americans should take an interest in what goes on. Just because our government has not shown that they care what we think is no reason to stop thinking or to go about our lives not caring about "justice for all."

IMO.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

I don't think the Sunshine Laws or televising or making a media circus out of this trial had any effect on the verdict. No one who hung on Nancy Grace's every word had a vote. No one who read one sentence or examined one single photograph or record had one singe iota of influence on the outcome of this trial.

Public outrage occurred because quite a lot of people closely followed the doc dumps and talking heads. What does public outrage have to do with the price of rice in China ??

The only thing that matters (or should matter) is the delivery of justice. And the only people given that responsibility were the members of the jury. Who, apparently, did not hang on Nancy Grace or greedily examine the doc dumps. They were selected with their relative neutrality in mind.

The tools they used to render their verdict were simple and few. And NONE of the tools they used had anything to do with media circuses, talking heads and Sunshine Laws.

So no, IMO, there is no logical reason to connect the two, and thus cancel court on TV to prevent . . . well, prevent WHAT? Prevent individuals who dig in and sleuth out evidence and make independent decisions based upon released information and then opinionate about it ??

I guess the criminals to be in Florida better think it through, with those Sunshine Laws and Websleuths and the plethora of talking heads out there clamping down on them. Even if their jury is . . . um, lacking in the willingness to think department . . . the public just might make up it's OWN mind. EXUSE ME!! I mean, US!! ((lol!)) for thinking for ourselves and being outspoken in a free country about it .

When AS stated they used the social media during jury selection, did this not have an effect on the outcome of the trial? Singer said, her group monitered 40,000 blogs etc. to find out what people were thinking as the trial progressed. She said her group constantly sent comments to the DT during the trial. Quite likely, many of the comments that had been made on this site, were relayed to the DT. The DT used the information from pro prosecution posters to determine how best to proceed.

In this age of instant information, high profile trials that are talked about online, may end up with consultants like AS being just as common to DT's as DNA is to the PT.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

No jury should have been able to get past the duct tape. Their decision shows they basically chalked it up to the dysfunction in the family. The duct tape should have been their main focal point because there was no reason to be there if it were a drowning. jmo

Many people are of the opinion that the duct tape was absolutely placed over Caylee's face at some point in time. JA obviously saw it that way, and stated as much. Some people however, disagree, at least to the point of having a reasonable doubt as to whether the duct tape was used on Caylee. The reasons why some have reasonable doubt about the duct tape, seem unreasonable to the many who agree with JA.

When some of the jurors in their statements said they had questions, I took that to mean, they had questions that the prosecution did not answer, not questions about what had been presented as evidence.

The photoshopped presentation to me was awful, and made me think that the prosecution was becoming desperate. It was what it was, and I just think they would have had better results with that presentation had they used a photo of Caylee alone, instead of KC's face over her shoulder. I have no idea how the jurors felt about that display, so I don't know if it made one bit of difference in their final decision.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[krkrjx]

The jury foreman spoke about the duct tape and said they were not convinced it was relevant because when Caylee was found the tape was on her hair, not on her face. The problem I have with that being reasonable doubt is this: When Caylee was found, she did not have a face. In such a situation, even if the tape had been very tightly applied to Caylee's mouth, it would have been tightly applied to tissue only--not bones. Once the tissue is gone, there is nothing left for it to adhere to. The fact that the tape was not stuck to her facial skeleton does not mean it had never been over her mouth. And the fact that there was duct tape there at all shows reasonable doubt about the drowning theory, or any accidental death theory, for that matter.

 

[MarthaM]

I don't think that this trial being televised had any real effect. I think a better argument could be made for that if 'guilty' verdicts had been returned on the most serious counts.

As far as social media monitoring goes, I wouldn't be surprised if the prosecution also kept tabs on reactions to how their case was unfolding. Perhaps that led to some complacency on their part, thinking they had a slam-dunk because of how overwhelmingly pro-prosection the comments were. Maybe Ashton will address that in his book.

And that 'We the People' petition: I think it's really unfortunate. When I look at the other recent petitions on the WH site, the Casey Anthony one just stands out as sour grapes. The others are about real issues that affect a lot of people or will impact policy, and this one reads as a desperate attempt to nail Casey Anthony because of frustration with the verdict. Had a petition-starter used the Anthony trial to start a petition about legislation related to children (such as Caylee's Law), then I could have some respect for it. I'm not a fan of Caylee's Law, but at least that would be a petition with a solid purpose and an admirable goal. I don't admire vendettas.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

snippets from : http://www.wesh.com/news/29289790/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A jury found Bob Ward of guilty of second-degree murder in the death of his wife on Saturday after roughly 14 hours of deliberations.
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During deliberations, the jury asked to see the gun.


snippets from : http://www.wftv.com/news/29264916/detail.html

The six jurors have asked to take a closer look at the gun Ward is accused of using to murder his wife.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said that's not a good sign for the defense, because while evidence is generally taken to the jury, alleged murder weapons are not, unless requested.

The jury asked to see the gun an hour and 25 minutes after they began to deliberate.

Just before 3:30 p.m. the judge brought all parties back into the court room in response to the jury's request for a yardstick. Later in the afternoon the jurors asked to have testimony read back to them.


BBM:

MOO ... Wow ... a Jury that did its JOB !

It is just "outrageous" for those that are saying that this Jury's verdict is based on the Casey Anthony Verdict -- HOGWASH ! This Jury deliberated about 4 hours more than the Pinellas 12 -- and IMO Bob Ward's Jury got it right !

IMO ... that 9-1-1 call said it all ... HLN has played Ward's 9-1-1 over-and-over the past few weeks, and IMO, that 9-1-1 call is CHILLING ! No emotion from Ward when he calls 9-1-1 ... and he clearly states "I just shot my wife" -- it's the "I" that got me ... just CHILLING !

This Jury DID what it was supposed to do -- deliberate and examine the evidence -- and they did just that.

And IMO, I bet Ward's Jury did NOT have "someone" with an "agenda" or $$$$$ as the motive for their verdict !

This Verdict has restored some of my "faith" in the Jury System in this country.

MOO ...

 

[jon_burrows]

The jury foreman spoke about the duct tape and said they were not convinced it was relevant because when Caylee was found the tape was on her hair, not on her face. The problem I have with that being reasonable doubt is this: When Caylee was found, she did not have a face. In such a situation, even if the tape had been very tightly applied to Caylee's mouth, it would have been tightly applied to tissue only--not bones. Once the tissue is gone, there is nothing left for it to adhere to. The fact that the tape was not stuck to her facial skeleton does not mean it had never been over her mouth. And the fact that there was duct tape there at all shows reasonable doubt about the drowning theory, or any accidental death theory, for that matter.

Snipped from the foreman interview:

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the duct tape on the skull or was it adjacent to the skull?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was -- as far as on the skull, there was one area where it was connected, and that dealt with more the hair. It was not on actually a part of the bone. But it was right there in the vicinity of the nasal cavity and where the mouth would be.


IMO

 

[LambChop]

Many people are of the opinion that the duct tape was absolutely placed over Caylee's face at some point in time. JA obviously saw it that way, and stated as much. Some people however, disagree, at least to the point of having a reasonable doubt as to whether the duct tape was used on Caylee. The reasons why some have reasonable doubt about the duct tape, seem unreasonable to the many who agree with JA.

When some of the jurors in their statements said they had questions, I took that to mean, they had questions that the prosecution did not answer, not questions about what had been presented as evidence.

The photoshopped presentation to me was awful, and made me think that the prosecution was becoming desperate. It was what it was, and I just think they would have had better results with that presentation had they used a photo of Caylee alone, instead of KC's face over her shoulder. I have no idea how the jurors felt about that display, so I don't know if it made one bit of difference in their final decision.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Well I think the critical point regarding the duct tape is that it held the mandible in place and that is significant to show there was duct tape on her face. It was attached to her hair on either side of her face and it's not a stretch to conclude that it was on her face. The visual aid with KC was used so they could approximate the size of Caylee face in comparison to her mother IMO. I can't imagine a juror being critical of KC being in the picture when they are considering she may have been the one to put the duct tape on Caylee. That would be more of an emotional response and they were told not to let their emotions form their judgement, when it clear from statements they did. jmo

 

[LolaMoon08]

What I want to know is why Casey's lawyers feel any obligation to her at all? How long can they actually take care of her? Feed her? Clothe her? Shelter her? I do not think that Mrs. Mason or Mrs. Baez ever thought they would be stuck with Casey Anthony. They cannot be happy about it?? I am sure they would like to move on with their lives without Casey Anthony hovering over them??

As much as I dislike Cheney Mason and Jose Baez, I would never wish Casey Anthony on their innocent families. I actually fear the day when Casey is no longer welcome to live off them? How do they seperate their family life from their life with Casey Anthony? Will they share their family Holiday's with Casey Anthony?? Will Casey Anthony be sitting at their dining room table on Thanksgiving? Will Casey Anthony be opening Christmas presents next to their children on Christmas morning? Will they make sure Casey Anthony has an elaborate St. Patrick's Day Party this year? They have to know what happened last time Casey wasn't allowed to go to a St. Patrick's Day party... she started searching for chloroform. Will their lives forever be catering to Casey Anthony??

I would love to know if they actually fear Casey? If they sleep with their doors locked? If they walk around on eggshells as to not make her mad? It has to be living hell!

 

[PeteyGirl]

When AS stated they used the social media during jury selection, did this not have an effect on the outcome of the trial? Singer said, her group monitered 40,000 blogs etc. to find out what people were thinking as the trial progressed. She said her group constantly sent comments to the DT during the trial. Quite likely, many of the comments that had been made on this site, were relayed to the DT. The DT used the information from pro prosecution posters to determine how best to proceed.

In this age of instant information, high profile trials that are talked about online, may end up with consultants like AS being just as common to DT's as DNA is to the PT.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Good lord, I forgot all about that :banghead: :crazy: I have railed about this too!!

OK then . . . then THIS is what must be eradicated, not the public's access to information.

I'm not familiar with why the Sunshine Laws were created in the first place. But I'm going to surmise that there was a great deal of forethought about any negative impact the SL would have.

What AS did with OUR reactions was misuse and obstructive to justice. And YES I would feel the same if the prosecution had stooped so low as to utilize these means to get a murder conviction.

 

[natsound]

Many people are of the opinion that the duct tape was absolutely placed over Caylee's face at some point in time. JA obviously saw it that way, and stated as much. Some people however, disagree, at least to the point of having a reasonable doubt as to whether the duct tape was used on Caylee. The reasons why some have reasonable doubt about the duct tape, seem unreasonable to the many who agree with JA.

When some of the jurors in their statements said they had questions, I took that to mean, they had questions that the prosecution did not answer, not questions about what had been presented as evidence.

The photoshopped presentation to me was awful, and made me think that the prosecution was becoming desperate. It was what it was, and I just think they would have had better results with that presentation had they used a photo of Caylee alone, instead of KC's face over her shoulder. I have no idea how the jurors felt about that display, so I don't know if it made one bit of difference in their final decision.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

I agree completely here D, except never during that trial did I think the prosecution was desperate. I thought they were winning hook, line and sinker.

So obviously, don't hire me on as a trial expert. :chicken:

 

[natsound]

When AS stated they used the social media during jury selection, did this not have an effect on the outcome of the trial? Singer said, her group monitered 40,000 blogs etc. to find out what people were thinking as the trial progressed. She said her group constantly sent comments to the DT during the trial. Quite likely, many of the comments that had been made on this site, were relayed to the DT. The DT used the information from pro prosecution posters to determine how best to proceed.

In this age of instant information, high profile trials that are talked about online, may end up with consultants like AS being just as common to DT's as DNA is to the PT.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Bold by me

I guess my question here is.... was there anyone interested in this case enough to blog about it that WASN'T pro-prosecution?

 

[natsound]

What I want to know is why Casey's lawyers feel any obligation to her at all? How long can they actually take care of her? Feed her? Clothe her? Shelter her? I do not think that Mrs. Mason or Mrs. Baez ever thought they would be stuck with Casey Anthony. They cannot be happy about it?? I am sure they would like to move on with their lives without Casey Anthony hovering over them??

As much as I dislike Cheney Mason and Jose Baez, I would never wish Casey Anthony on their innocent families. I actually fear the day when Casey is no longer welcome to live off them? How do they seperate their family life from their life with Casey Anthony? Will they share their family Holiday's with Casey Anthony?? Will Casey Anthony be sitting at their dining room table on Thanksgiving? Will Casey Anthony be opening Christmas presents next to their children on Christmas morning? Will they make sure Casey Anthony has an elaborate St. Patrick's Day Party this year? They have to know what happened last time Casey wasn't allowed to go to a St. Patrick's Day party... she started searching for chloroform. Will their lives forever be catering to Casey Anthony??

I would love to know if they actually fear Casey? If they sleep with their doors locked? If they walk around on eggshells as to not make her mad? It has to be living hell!

I don't know if Ms. Chaney or Ms. Baez are really stuck with her. Lola. Baez was off in Aruba recently. Who knows what Chaney is doing. We essentially don't know who is paying for KC's room and board. We can speculate forever, but we don't know.

 

[Aedrys]

Well I think the critical point regarding the duct tape is that it held the mandible in place and that is significant to show there was duct tape on her face. It was attached to her hair on either side of her face and it's not a stretch to conclude that it was on her face. The visual aid with KC was used so they could approximate the size of Caylee face in comparison to her mother IMO. I can't imagine a juror being critical of KC being in the picture when they are considering she may have been the one to put the duct tape on Caylee. That would be more of an emotional response and they were told not to let their emotions form their judgement, when it clear from statements they did. jmo

ITfreakingA!!!!! I get so tired of this. They missed the HUGE point that the mandible WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE PERIOD without that tape holding it there. There is NOTHING that holds the mandible to the skull after decomposition. All muscles and tendons are GONE. This is why a lot of times when a skull is found, the mandible is not found with it. I seriously wanted to ask those jurors just WHAT they thought was keeping the mandible there if the tape wasn't. That drove me NUTS. And some people STILL try to argue the tape wasn't there. Then WHAT held the mandible to the skull?!?!?! The hair and mud couldn't do it while the skull was floating in water. They may have helped once the water was gone, but not before then. So how did this skull, which floated in water for MONTHS until it went down into the mud, manage to NOT lose the mandible? The only answer is the dang DUCT TAPE. I don't get why this is so hard of a concept to understand that the jury couldn't get it. This tape didn't float downstream, it wasn't on the bag, it was on her face!

But no, Casey was too young, pretty, and well cared for to do something so heinous with duct tape. And her lawyer was so much more likable. That counted more than the duct tape. I will never, ever, understand this jury. Sheesh.

 

[Meri]

I don't know if Ms. Chaney or Ms. Baez are really stuck with her. Lola. Baez was off in Aruba recently. Who knows what Chaney is doing. We essentially don't know who is paying for KC's room and board. We can speculate forever, but we don't know.

I also don't believe Casey is with either of them - especially Mrs. Mason. I doubt she would let Casey near her home after having to call 9-1-1 that time because of death threats.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

What I want to know is why Casey's lawyers feel any obligation to her at all? How long can they actually take care of her? Feed her? Clothe her? Shelter her? I do not think that Mrs. Mason or Mrs. Baez ever thought they would be stuck with Casey Anthony. They cannot be happy about it?? I am sure they would like to move on with their lives without Casey Anthony hovering over them??

As much as I dislike Cheney Mason and Jose Baez, I would never wish Casey Anthony on their innocent families. I actually fear the day when Casey is no longer welcome to live off them? How do they seperate their family life from their life with Casey Anthony? Will they share their family Holiday's with Casey Anthony?? Will Casey Anthony be sitting at their dining room table on Thanksgiving? Will Casey Anthony be opening Christmas presents next to their children on Christmas morning? Will they make sure Casey Anthony has an elaborate St. Patrick's Day Party this year? They have to know what happened last time Casey wasn't allowed to go to a St. Patrick's Day party... she started searching for chloroform. Will their lives forever be catering to Casey Anthony??

I would love to know if they actually fear Casey? If they sleep with their doors locked? If they walk around on eggshells as to not make her mad? It has to be living hell!

BBM:

:cow: As to the "obligation" JB and the DT feel towards FCA, IMO it is about the $$$$$ they "might" make off of her, as well as the pending legal issues -- which when these legal issues are over, I bet they will be "happy" to be rid of her.

They are still handling her Appeals -- the 4 Counts of Lying to LE -- which I think was "outrageous" for her DT to even appeal when they themselves said she was a "liar" during the trial. And, they are still handling the matter about the money Judge Perry ordered FCA to pay back the state, which is now over $200,000 ! Oh -- the probation issue ? I guess they are dealing with all of FCA's "special requests" for probation :sick: Any other legal issues ?

And as to does the DT "actually fear Casey" ? IMO they do -- they just are NOT going to ever admit it PUBLICLY. FCA and her DT were willing to throw her own father and brother "under the bus" with "molestation allegations" -- and IMO FCA would NOT hesitate to throw JB or any of the others "under the bus" if they do NOT "comply" with what "she wants" ...

JB and the DT know the REAL Casey Anthony and what she IS capable of ...

IMO the DT must have some kind of "fear" -- but that is set aside because they are still banking on their "cash cow" ... which I hope NEVER pays off !

:cow:

 

[wonders]

I really like your post LolaMoon. My responses in red.

What I want to know is why Casey's lawyers feel any obligation to her at all?
I do believe it is because they are counting on making millions off of her.

How long can they actually take care of her? Feed her? Clothe her? Shelter her?
I have wondered about that too. I feel that CM is footing her bill/s. JB has seemed to me to claim poverty. But all of that aside someone is footing the bill for her, no doubt about it.

I do not think that Mrs. Mason or Mrs. Baez ever thought they would be stuck with Casey Anthony. They cannot be happy about it?? I am sure they would like to move on with their lives without Casey Anthony hovering over them??

As much as I dislike Cheney Mason and Jose Baez, I would never wish Casey Anthony on their innocent families. I actually fear the day when Casey is no longer welcome to live off them?
It sure is scary to think about that but whatever she does (and I believe she will turn on them one day) will make them wish they had never gotten involved with her. But that is their cross to bare and personally I wish it would happen sooner rather than later.

How do they seperate their family life from their life with Casey Anthony? Will they share their family Holiday's with Casey Anthony?? Will Casey Anthony be sitting at their dining room table on Thanksgiving? Will Casey Anthony be opening Christmas presents next to their children on Christmas morning? Will they make sure Casey Anthony has an elaborate St. Patrick's Day Party this year?
I have wondered if she has been to any picnics or other family gatherings that might have occured since she's been out of jail. I've wondered about any conversations anyone of the people have had with her and what there like. Are they like Tracy M's experince with her?

They have to know what happened last time Casey wasn't allowed to go to a St. Patrick's Day party... she started searching for chloroform. Will their lives forever be catering to Casey Anthony??
I think that's a good question. We have seen her "ugly coping" skills with our own eyes and I believe that all of the actors in this case knows how dangerous she is. But once again that is their cross to bare.

I would love to know if they actually fear Casey? If they sleep with their doors locked? If they walk around on eggshells as to not make her mad? It has to be living hell!

I believe they fear her and do what you have written. If it is a living hell for them it's of their own creation.

If the Mrs Baez and Mason do have to deal with her than to bad to sad because they had a mouth and the ability to say no and absolutely put there feet down on this one.
Thanks for your post LolaMoon.

I have an insane question for anyone who wants to answer...Can a person like FCA be brainwashed (therapy she is supposedly doing)?

 

[SondraK]

I really like your post LolaMoon. My responses in red.



I believe they fear her and do what you have written. If it is a living hell for them it's of their own creation.

If the Mrs Baez and Mason do have to deal with her than to bad to sad because they had a mouth and the ability to say no and absolutely put there feet down on this one.
Thanks for your post LolaMoon.

I have an insane question for anyone who wants to answer...Can a person like FCA be brainwashed (therapy she is supposedly doing)?

Brainwashing would do no good. This woman needs SOUL washing, just for starters.; JMHO

 

[luvmygarden]

On Geraldo's fb page where he does Q&A he thinks JB needs to distance himself from
KC and this trial. He said he can be very successful in the future so it is imperative.
Wonder what KC thinks when she reads that. She knows she is responsible for his fame or whatever you want to call it. I wonder when she will rebel, it has only been 2.5 months since she was released. I would imagine this life of freedom or whatever you want to call it is getting really old. I bet she wants the real thing. Freedom no stings attached. Freedom =party, men, clothes, car w/ gas card, no more gas cans for this girl

 

[MsMacGyver]

Well I think the critical point regarding the duct tape is that it held the mandible in place and that is significant to show there was duct tape on her face. It was attached to her hair on either side of her face and it's not a stretch to conclude that it was on her face. The visual aid with KC was used so they could approximate the size of Caylee face in comparison to her mother IMO. I can't imagine a juror being critical of KC being in the picture when they are considering she may have been the one to put the duct tape on Caylee. That would be more of an emotional response and they were told not to let their emotions form their judgement, when it clear from statements they did. jmo

I've been thinking about this all day. It was made very clear at trial that you NEVER find the mandible attached. I thought they said this duct tape hadn't been produced for 8-10 years, I could be wrong but first I wondered why anyone would have a roll of duct tape longer than a year even. Maybe GA was saving it, probably thought it would be worth money someday. If so I would bet they all made fun of GA for keeping it. Then I wondered why duct tape. Mothers have smothered their children before but not with duct tape. It is unimaginable to me that any mother would put duct tape on their child, alive or deceased, which to me shows FCA lack of feelings for Caylee. The fact she used THAT particular tape says to me she was pointing the finger at GA. The shirt she had on..Big Trouble Comes In Small Packages is a definite message and the "too small" shorts says to me she didn't want any clothes to be missing from house. I thought there would be no question about the tape being put on Caylees face..just another shocking miscalculation from the jury..IMO