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Know what I wish? I wish that jury deliberations were recorded. I mean, not so that someone is listening in as deliberations are held, but for after the verdict is read so that we could better understand how they came to that conclusion.

Yes, I can fully admit that this is for my own selfish reasons. I want to know what the hell happened in that room! I wish that the one juror who held out the longest would really sit down and explain this to us. I remember one juror stated how they all felt awful for what they were about to do.... IF YOU FEEL AWFUL then that tells you YOU KNOW SHE DID IT! Keep going through the evidence. Let it sink in. Link it together. Don't just get fricking LAZY and throw your hands in the air!

How do you go from 2-10 wanting to convict of 1st degree. To 6-6 to convict of Aggravated Manslaughter. To a total NOT GUILTY on all major charges?

I will never understand, but I am losing patience with these jurors for not coming out and giving us a play-by-play with every single thing that was said and done in that deliberation room. I don't want to hear about your stupid underwear being washed and folded. Or your trip to Disney you got out of it. I want to know what happened IN THAT ROOM!


MOO
 
LolaMoon08 said:
Know what I wish? I wish that jury deliberations were recorded. I mean, not so that someone is listening in as deliberations are held, but for after the verdict is read so that we could better understand how they came to that conclusion.

Yes, I can fully admit that this is for my own selfish reasons. I want to know what the hell happened in that room! I wish that the one juror who held out the longest would really sit down and explain this to us. I remember one juror stated how they all felt awful for what they were about to do.... IF YOU FEEL AWFUL then that tells you YOU KNOW SHE DID IT! Keep going through the evidence. Let it sink in. Link it together. Don't just get fricking LAZY and throw your hands in the air!

How do you go from 2-10 wanting to convict of 1st degree. To 6-6 to convict of Aggravated Manslaughter. To a total NOT GUILTY on all major charges?

I will never understand, but I am losing patience with these jurors for not coming out and giving us a play-by-play with every single thing that was said and done in that deliberation room. I don't want to hear about your stupid underwear being washed and folded. Or your trip to Disney you got out of it. I want to know what happened IN THAT ROOM!

MOO
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I too wish the jurors would come out and "own" their jury votes and explain their thinking. Why oh why couldn't the lone hold out stick to his convictions and at least let a mistrial happen rather than giving in and letting others persuade him to vote against his own convictions.

Jury took first vote on 1st degree murder = 10 [to acquit] to 2 [to convict of 1st degree murder]
talked for 30 minutes - 2 decided to change their votes
1st degree murder off the table quickly

Jury did first vote on aggravated manslaughter = 6 to acquit and 6 to convict
It was 11-1 to acquit - guy who didn't want to acquit said 'O.K., whatever you all want'. He knew he wasn't going to convince us."
Jury thought 'Holy crap, we are letting her go free'.
Male juror said if he had to vote NOW, he would probably vote for manslaughter.

PEOPLE magazine, Steve Helling was interviewed by Aphrodite Jones for her show on Investigation Discovery, "True Crime with Aphrodite Jones", episode “Casey Anthony: Bella Vita”, in which the juror's opinions are discussed.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...a-worth-a-look-thanks-to-stan-strickland.html

"For the program, Jones talks to .... and Steve Helling of People magazine, which produced six cover stories about the saga. ...."

"And there’s the personal angle from the host. Jones, who says she was originally outraged by the verdict, comes to a new conclusion that the jury was right to come up with not guilty."


The HOLD OUT for the last juror to vote NOT guilty on manslaughter was Juror # 2 Raymond Screen – reported by ABC NEWS.
Raymond Screen, Juror # 2, spoke “anonymously” to St. Peterburg Times the day after the verdict July 6, 2011, and then to PEOPLE magazine, Steve Helling, a few days later August 20, 2011.

PEOPLE magazine, Steve Helling August 22, 2011
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521892,00.html

ABC NEWS article identifies the juror as # 2 [Raymond Screen] July 7, 2011
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anth...jurors-protect/story?id=14017505#.T8gAvFLa-ew

FOX INSIDER August 24, 2011
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/08/24/casey-anthony-juror-regrets-acquittal/

TAMPA BAY - Juror # 2 spoke to media October 26, 2011
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...jury-stays-out-of-the-media-spotlight/1198712

News articles state that Juror # 2 Raymond Screen wishes now that he had voted guilty of manslaughter.
Raymond Screen said during jury selection that he believed Casey was GUILTY [he said "I guess she did it"].
Raymond Screen, Juror # 2, said he would never consider the death penalty in any circumstance – believes God makes the final judgments, not him.

Fox News Insider - August 24, 2011
Juliet Huddy reported
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/08/24/casey-anthony-juror-regrets-acquittal/
- one juror says she got away with murder
- calls her a "horrible person"
- says none of the jurors liked her
- He regrets not convicting Casey when given the chance.
- Juror spoke out on same day Casey lost appeal in check fraud case.

PEOPLE magazine - August 20, 2011
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521892,00.html
- one male juror spoke to PEOPLE under anonymity
[identified as Juror #2 by ABCNEWS]
- fears someone will find him - will figure out who he is
- one of his friend's wives forbid him to talk to juror
- his own sister cussed him out
- it has ruined his life
- 6 weeks after acquitting Casey, juror says life after the verdict is "a nightmare"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/..._864421.html#s276329&title=Casey_Anthony_Jury

Casey Anthony Jury Selection: After A 10 Day Ordeal, The End Is In Sight
First Posted: 05/19/11

Juror # 2 Raymond Screen
· No. 1019 is an African American, married male in his 30s or 40s who has two kids. He is an information technology employee. He said he is against the death penalty and initially thought Casey Anthony was guilty.


Book – “Imperfect Justice – Prosecuting Casey Anthony” by Jeff Ashton, Prosecutor.
Ashton’s description of 12 jurors and their attitudes – 2011.

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=14JurorsAshton1.jpg

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=15JurorsAshton2.jpg

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=16JurorsAshton3.jpg
 
LolaMoon08 said:
Know what I wish? I wish that jury deliberations were recorded. I mean, not so that someone is listening in as deliberations are held, but for after the verdict is read so that we could better understand how they came to that conclusion.

Yes, I can fully admit that this is for my own selfish reasons. I want to know what the hell happened in that room! I wish that the one juror who held out the longest would really sit down and explain this to us. I remember one juror stated how they all felt awful for what they were about to do.... IF YOU FEEL AWFUL then that tells you YOU KNOW SHE DID IT! Keep going through the evidence. Let it sink in. Link it together. Don't just get fricking LAZY and throw your hands in the air!

How do you go from 2-10 wanting to convict of 1st degree. To 6-6 to convict of Aggravated Manslaughter. To a total NOT GUILTY on all major charges?

I will never understand, but I am losing patience with these jurors for not coming out and giving us a play-by-play with every single thing that was said and done in that deliberation room. I don't want to hear about your stupid underwear being washed and folded. Or your trip to Disney you got out of it. I want to know what happened IN THAT ROOM!


MOO
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I couldn't even bring myself to listen to their interviews in their entirety because I can't tolerate stupid, but the little bit I did hear was a whole lot of nothing. It sounded to me like they just repeated what they heard baez say, and that was about it. Were any of those 12 capable of thinking for themselves and drawing a REASONABLE conclusion? Doesn't seem like it.

I never knew that one of them came out so soon after the verdict and said he regretted it and would have voted for manslaughter if he had it to do over. That upsets me even more. Why not take your time, be diligent, and do it right the first time? :furious:
 
skbsoccermom said:
I couldn't even bring myself to listen to their interviews in their entirety because I can't tolerate stupid, but the little bit I did hear was a whole lot of nothing. It sounded to me like they just repeated what they heard baez say, and that was about it. Were any of those 12 capable of thinking for themselves and drawing a REASONABLE conclusion? Doesn't seem like it.

I never knew that one of them came out so soon after the verdict and said he regretted it and would have voted for manslaughter if he had it to do over. That upsets me even more. Why not take your time, be diligent, and do it right the first time? :furious:
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Because when you are in a closed room with a group and the heat is on for you to do what the group wants, it is difficult not to conform. It is a scary thing to stand alone in such a situation (although there are occasionally people who have been able to do so, evidenced by the fact that we do sometimes see hung juries with only one holdout).

After a while, outside of the confines and no longer subject to the coercion of others, you realize what you should have done, what you wish you had done. And then it is easy to say, "If I had a do-over, I would do it differently." MOO.

I am still a firm believer that the jury should have nothing whatsoever to do with the penalty. The penalties for a crime should be a matter of law and sentencing should be by the judge after careful consideration of all the facts and any extenuating circumstances. The jury's only concern should be whether the person is guilty. If this were done there would be no need to search for death penalty jurors and the nonsense of judges trying to "convince" potential juroros who are against the DP to be willing to vote for it anyway would be eliminated.
 
ThinkTank said:
Juror # 2 Raymond Screen
· No. 1019 is an African American, married male in his 30s or 40s who has two kids. He is an information technology employee. He said he is against the death penalty and initially thought Casey Anthony was guilty.


Book – “Imperfect Justice – Prosecuting Casey Anthony” by Jeff Ashton, Prosecutor.
Ashton’s description of 12 jurors and their attitudes – 2011.

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=14JurorsAshton1.jpg

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=15JurorsAshton2.jpg

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=16JurorsAshton3.jpg
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Okay, this is the first I had heard about juror #2 being against the Death Penalty. Why in the world was he on this jury then? I'd love to go back and see his jury selection interview. Did he say he was against the Death Penalty when interviewed during selection? It makes no sense for someone who is against the death penalty to be sitting on a death qualified jury.

The one woman who was so vocal about being anti-death penalty should have never been allowed on the jury either, but for some assinine reason, she was allowed anyway.

Both should have been stricken from the jury as soon as they said they were against the death penalty. You are either for it or against it. There is no wiggle room, IMO.

You know how confident I was when every single juror who had heard about this case thought she was guilty? Not one person, who had heard about this case that was interviewed thought she was innocent. How the heck did they find 12 people who aquitted her? I still say something fishy went on in that room.

MOO
 
krkrjx said:
I am still a firm believer that the jury should have nothing whatsoever to do with the penalty. The penalties for a crime should be a matter of law and sentencing should be by the judge after careful consideration of all the facts and any extenuating circumstances. The jury's only concern should be whether the person is guilty. If this were done there would be no need to search for death penalty jurors and the nonsense of judges trying to "convince" potential juroros who are against the DP to be willing to vote for it anyway would be eliminated.
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I like this idea! A lot!
 
kaki, that mascara rain song was so powerful, I hadn't heard that before. Thanks for posting it. It made me cry when he said to Caylee "your life deserves a round of applause". huge love for that.
 
There was the lady juror that Judge Perry forced on the prosecution, even though she firmly said she does not judge people and the prosecution was afraid she would hang the jury.
Juror # 4 - Linda Bills. She clearly was NOT death penalty qualified but they had to keep her on the jury.

Notes on Juror #2 Raymond Screen - # 1019 for jury selection - are that when asked his opinion of her guilt or innocence, he said "I guess she did it". He was not firm on that. Said he could be unbiased when it comes to the facts of the case. He said he is not for the death penalty but could vote for it if one of his family members was killed - then said that he could not consider the death penalty in any circumstance because God makes the final judgment, not him.
Neither the State nor the Defense make any effort to use a jury selection strike on him.

This is what the Huffington Post article said about these two jurors:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/..._864421.html#s276329&title=Casey_Anthony_Jury

Casey Anthony Jury Selection: After A 10 Day Ordeal, The End Is In Sight
First Posted: 05/19/11

Juror # 2 Raymond Screen
· No. 1019 is an African American, married male in his 30s or 40s who has two kids. He is an information technology employee. He said he is against the death penalty and initially thought Casey Anthony was guilty.

Juror # 4 Linda Bills
· No. 1319 is an African American female in her 50s. She is single and said she does not read the newspaper. She said she supports the death penalty but does not like to judge people.
 
REASONABLE DOUBT
Obviously, Juror # 2, and the other Casey Anthony jurors did not understand "reasonable doubt".

Juror # 2 Raymond Screen says the jury was not given enough evidence to find her guilty, not beyond a reasonable doubt.

But Ashton says in his book: “…when it came time to deliberate, they never asked a single question about the evidence….”
Book – “Imperfect Justice – Prosecuting Casey Anthony” by Jeff Ashton, Prosecutor.
Ashton’s description of 12 jurors and their attitudes – 2011
http://s439.beta.photobucket.com/user/cayleecross/media/16JurorsAshton3.jpg.html

Judge Strickland says that juries need better Jury Instructions on "reasonable doubt".
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...a-worth-a-look-thanks-to-stan-strickland.html
Jan 2, 2013
excerpt:
Strickland says he doesn’t believe the state overcharged in the case and describes prosecutor Jeff Ashton as brilliant.
Strickland complains that people do not understand reasonable doubt and that there needs to be better jury instruction about it.
To explain the verdict, Strickland quotes a juror who said, “If I don’t know how she died, how can I convict her of anything?”
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Comments by Juror # 2 - Raymond Screen
Information Technology [IT] worker for Pinellas County in Clearwater
He spoke to St. Petersburg Times July 6, 2011
and PEOPLE Magazine August 20, 2011

He was the last to change his mind from guilty to not guilty [ABCNEWS]
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anth...jurors-protect/story?id=14017505#.T8gAvFLa-ew

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...jury-stays-out-of-the-media-spotlight/1198712[October 26, 2011]
excerpt:
"... Juror No. 2 spoke anonymously to the St. Petersburg Times"
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Juror # 2 Raymond Screen says:
PEOPLE by Steve Helling
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521892,00.html
[Aug 22, 2011]
Casey Anthony 'Seems Like a Horrible Person,' Says Juror
excerpt:
"We tried very hard to separate our emotions from the evidence," he says. "Generally, none of us liked Casey Anthony at all. She seems like a horrible person. But the prosecutors did not give us enough evidence to convict. They gave us a lot of stuff that makes us think that she probably did something wrong, but not beyond a reasonable doubt."
Nearly two months later, would the juror change his vote? "I've learned a lot more about the case by reading the documents," he says.
"But when we were sequestered, we could only go by what the prosecution and defense gave us. If I had to vote now, I'd probably vote for manslaughter. But we didn't get the evidence to support it before. I know people are mad at us, but we did our jobs, and I think we did them to the very best of our abilities.
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ABCNEWS article
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anth...jurors-protect/story?id=14017505#.T8gAvFLa-ew [July 7, 2011]
excerpt:
"He told them that if they had reached a verdict based on emotion, Anthony would have been guilty, but that there was not enough evidence to convict her of murder.
"I just swear to God...I wish we had more evidence to put her away, I truly do," he told the paper emotionally. "But it wasn't there."
Juror No. 2 was the last to change his mind from guilty to not guilty.
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FOX INSIDER
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/08/24/casey-anthony-juror-regrets-acquittal/
[Aug 24, 2011]
Casey Anthony Juror Regrets Acquittal
excerpt:
Juliet Huddy reported that one juror from the Casey Anthony trial is now saying she got away with murder. Speaking out for the first time since the trial, the juror, who’s not revealing his name, calls Casey a “horrible person” and says none of the jurors liked her.
He says he regrets not convicting Casey when given the chance. The juror spoke out on the same day Anthony lost an appeal in a check fraud case in Florida.
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Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/..._864421.html#s276329&title=Casey_Anthony_Jury [May 19, 2011]
excerpt:
 No. 1019 is an African American, married male in his 30s or 40s who has two kids. He is an information technology employee. He said he is against the death penalty and initially thought Casey Anthony was guilty.

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Jury Selection - questioned on May 13, 2011
*Opinions on the case is "I guess she did it".
*No problem recommending life without parole or considering the facts of the case.
*Says he could NOT consider the death penalty in any circumstance.
*Believes God makes the final judgments, not him.

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LolaMoon08 said:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8684818&posted=1#post8684818

This is a case in "Crimes in the News" that I have been following and now feel the need to post it here. These boys, who raped a classmate, decided that it would be fun to make jokes about the rape of their classmate. Their joke was? "She has to be dead, deader than Caylee Anthony."

This case is not getting the National attention that it should be getting. Their local media and their community is too busy protecting these boys. Why? Well, football of course!! It will ruin their precious football program. One volunteer coach has publicly blamed the victim, called her a liar, and was more concerned about their football program.

To joke about the rape of your victim is disgusting, but to joke about the brutal murder of an innocent two-year-old baby shows you just how dangerous these boys are. They need to be held accountable and they are NOT going to be held accountable by their community or their local media. So, it's time to make some calls and write some emails to get this case some attention. The victim, who continues to be victimized, needs us.
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Well, it's heating up LolaMoon08 - three times this weekend i heard about this case on our local news station - so if it's making it's way up here - at last you'll be seeing movement closer to the case. By the way - it is being described n the news accounts just as you described it above.
 
Juror # 2 Raymond Screen says the jury was not given enough evidence to find her guilty, not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Judge Strickland said that jurors need better Jury Instruction on "reasonable doubt".

Aphrodite said: “Some jurors came out and claimed the State did not prove their case.” “Hmmmm. Let’s see: ”

- “31 days a missing child goes unreported” [note: Casey NEVER reported - Cindy did]

- “there’s a decomposing hair that matches mitrochondrial DNA of Caylee Marie in Casey’s trunk” [note: hair with DEATH BAND belonging to Caylee]

- “there’s numerous testimony about Casey’s trunk smelling like “death”"
[note: Cindy; George; Lee; towyard man; crime scene techs; Casey's own lie about dead squirrel]

- “there’s duct tape found around Caylee’s skull and jaw and scientific testimony that a human body does NOT decompose with the skull and jaw stuck together”

- “and pieces of this duct tape was found still around Caylee’s jaw, which BTW matched the specific duct tape “Henkel Brand” that was found by police in the Anthony home."

ADDITIONAL NOTES:

- Medical Examiner said it was HOMICIDE – no reason – ever – for a child to have duct tape across their nose and mouth. M.E. said accidents are reported to 9-1-1

- all the LIES by child’s own mother, inventing a kidnapping-nanny, lies about employment

- mother partying while child is “missing” or defense story – after drowning in pool
hot body contest; tattoos; shopping for beer and lingerie; movies at Blockbuster

- mother drove around with her own child’s decomposing body in trunk of HER car

- no evidence for drowning in pool – Cindy said Caylee could NOT open sliding door

- Caylee dumped close to home in Casey’s old childhood stomping grounds

- Caylee dumped with Caylee’s Winnie-the-Pooh blanket and Anthony laundry bag

- cadaver dog hits in Anthony back yard and in trunk of Casey’s car

- scientific results of huge amounts of chloroform in trunk of Casey’s car

- computer searches for chloroform

- stains in Casey’s trunk of decomposition – insects in trunk

- all the Defense lies to blame other people: Roy Kronk; Jesse Grund; nanny

- Casey’s NON-help to searcher Tim Miller who was searching for her "missing child"

- Casey sat in jail for 3 years and never said it was an accident

CONCLUSIONS: Caylee is found dead with duct tape around her face and stuck to her hair -- her own mother lies about it -- her own mother’s car wreaks of Caylee’s decomposing body -- Caylee is found in garbage bags and a laundry bag in a swamp near Casey's home -- conclusion - Caylee was MURDERED -- who murdered Caylee? -- conclusion - HER MOTHER.
NO EVIDENCE to support what lawyer Baez said about George and an accidental drowning or claims of sexual abuse.
 
logicalgirl said:
Well, it's heating up LolaMoon08 - three times this weekend i heard about this case on our local news station - so if it's making it's way up here - at last you'll be seeing movement closer to the case. By the way - it is being described n the news accounts just as you described it above.
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I hope they castrate and then throw them behind bars with family members of rape victims and throw away the key. JMO
 
in the movie theater to see This is 40 and there is a sneak peek preview for Lifetime's prosecuting casey anthony.

Nowhere to run to baby... nowhere to hide...
 
Tomorrow is the big day for the appeals. Wonder how long Casey's lawyers will drag this out. Anyone know who will be appearing for both sides?
 
RR0004 said:
Tomorrow is the big day for the appeals. Wonder how long Casey's lawyers will drag this out. Anyone know who will be appearing for both sides?
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My guess will be Mason and Fryer for the Defense
 
Casey Anthony's appeal to be heard tomorrow

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...anthony-appeal-lying-20130107,0,2154635.story

Tuesday's arguments will be heard by a three-judge panel of the Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach. The hearing, set for 1:30 p.m., will be short: The court only allows each side 15 minutes to argue. The panel is not expected to make a ruling Tuesday.

Anthony is represented in the appeal by attorneys Cheney Mason and Lisabeth Fryer.


MODS..Can we start a new thread for the Appeal Hearing tomorrow?

I have BUMPED :bump: the Appeal Thread

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145144"]Casey's appeal on the 4 charges of lying to police - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
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