Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[Lovejac]

even after the preliminary hearing his bro is still saying this?? (from your quoted quote which I didn't copy) -- hope his superior officer's are taking notes he's not credible as LE nor an objective professional JMHO

has a problem with evidence ((especially with the texting evidence & hooking up with a minor))

“It’s been frustrating to see it portrayed the way it’s been by the police department,” said Baygents, a sergeant and an instructor for the Law Enforcement Academy in Tuscaloosa

I wonder what he instructs?

 

[Cinnamon]

I know there are family cruise lines --- just not my cuppa tea ..... that's a whole lot of $$ from my point of view.

ITA. Wasn't my cuppa tea either, lol! My cruises weren't on family cruise lines, just regular cruises. I had no clue kids that young could cruise! Apparently, the minimum age varies by line, but IIRC, it's as young as 1 MONTH on some. Crazy, imo! Needless to say, the toddlers made the cruise miserable (at times) for the rest of us. Haven't cruised lately, but next one will be ADULT-ONLY! :smile:

 

[stmarysmead]

Oh! And another thing! Regarding this statement:



Even if RH hadn't baked his son to death in his car, the fact that was a sexual deviant and having sexual encounters with complete strangers, makes him a terrible parent in my book

I used to love the old adage..."The best thing a Father can do for his children is love their Mother." I would say that "love" equals RESPECT. Can anyone, anyone at all argue that RH respected his wife and his marriage?

Imagine if this child had been allowed to grow older, catching your Father, the devoted husband and church-goer...photographing his erect penis to send to young girls on the Internet? How would that affect any child? Does a good Father indulge himself at the expense of his children's faith...both n marriage and religion?

Imagine going to parks to "hook-up." This whole secret life, double identity could just destroy the psyche of a child or young man.

Please...no one try to sell this "good Father" line to me. In some ways, a OPEN sleaze is better than a self-righteous, disgusting hypocrite living a lie. Cooper did not have a "good father."

My opinion only,of course.

 

[tlcya]

*Job promotion fell through in march/april
*CFA passed on hiring him around same time
*credit card debt (not huge) and the suggestion that LH has sent him texts questioning purchases/spending and the finances.
*college loans
*two vehicle payments
*recent comments by LH to friends that this is not the time for more children

*planning to buy a house, investigating neighborhoods with good schools
*planning a family vacation/cruise
*$6000 in savings (according to brother of RH)

Seems like the facts do not support the plans being presented to or by family friends and landlord.

MOO these facts do not compute?

 

[Lovejac]

I used to love the old adage..."The best thing a Father can do for his children is love their Mother." I would say that "love" equals RESPECT. Can anyone, anyone at all argue that RH respected his wife and his marriage?

Imagine if this child had been allowed to grow older, catching your Father, the devoted husband and church-goer...photographing his erect penis to send to young girls on the Internet? How would that affect any child? Does a good Father indulge himself at the expense of his children's faith...both n marriage and religion?

Imagine going to parks to "hook-up." This whole secret life, double identity could just destroy the psyche of a child or young man.

Please...no one try to sell this "good Father" line to me. In some ways, a OPEN sleaze is better than a self-righteous, disgusting hypocrite living a lie. Cooper did not have a "good father."

My opinion only,of course.

:tyou: :yeahthat:

 

[stmarysmead]

Baygents also addressed Stoddard’s testimony about what happened when Leanna and Ross were put together in the same room after his arrest. Police, listening in on the conversation, heard Leanna ask her husband, “Did you say too much?”
But this was not a marital conspiracy, Baygents said. “It was more along the line of, ‘What’s going on here? Are we in trouble or something?’ They were in a total state of shock. Their child was dead.”

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

MOO this guy is a police officer and he knows exactly how damning that comment is. Even he is not able to really take the sting out of that with his weak possible explanation.

This does not explain why the conversation was about Ross' "dilemma" and not the horrific death of their baby.

 

[tlcya]

This does not explain why the conversation was about Ross' "dilemma" and not the horrific death of their baby.

Agreed. The brother's explanation is not really plausible because why would they be in some sort of trouble over an accidental death? And how would RH be able to "say too much" that would cause them to be in trouble over an accidental death? If the death was truly accidental there would be nothing RH could say too much about that would get them into "trouble".

And when the conversation was about their dead child its content was the dreaded statement by RH and him lying and telling her how peaceful their child looked in death when in fact his tongue (possibly bitten and mangled) was hanging out of his mouth and he stunk of decomp and possibly human waste.

Nope, not buying this brother's attempts to mitigate the facts.

 

[popsicle]

He was pushing his brother about going on this cruise... just bugging him like crazy... because he needed this planned cruise as part of his 'innocent' image and he was in a hurry, had a timeline for when he wanted to do this to Cooper imo. Also, how strange he turned all the accts over to his brother, why didn't his wife start handling everything again, or was he keeping money from her?

Where's the beef err the receipt for the cruise down payment?

 

[ladonna]

The ajc article cannot be read unless one subscribes.

Is anyone here that does that could post the article?

 

[tlcya]

see previous page ladonna, member matou has posted many snips from the full version of the article

 

[stmarysmead]

Could anyone please detail the specific reasons according to this article that we are to believe this is just a tragic accident?

RH had $6000 in the bank and a $4000 credit card bill. Add to this, one assumes, he was going to either pay for from savings or charge this cruise. Correct? And he needs a down payment on this 4 bedroom house in a good school district, right?

They have student loan debt, credit card debt...and need a very low down payment mortgage....yet he is taking a cruise???? Does this make financial sense?

I think it shows RH was totally out of control emotionally. He was sexting with his wife and Baby in the room. He was meeting other women. He was spending money that would, IMO, undercut their ability to qualify for a mortgage.

Just my opinion.

But what else is supposed to change my mind?

 

[tlcya]

darn, I could access full article earlier but have now reached my max views unpaid. Now cannot access it. cleaning up cookies in hopes of getting round that. But can someone who can still access or has read teh article in full recall WHEN RH was pushing so hard for this vacation?

I am speculating that the plans were hatched before RH found out he was not getting promotion and that once brother and family got onboard and said "yes, let's do this" he had already found out he did not have the promotion and rather than tell the brother that was still pretending all was well and he still wanted to plan the vacation.

Was the push from RH from a time period before or after the promotion fell through is what I am wondering.

 

[Lovejac]

darn, I could access full article earlier but have now reached my max views unpaid. Now cannot access it. cleaning up cookies in hopes of getting round that. But can someone who can still access or has read teh article in full recall WHEN RH was pushing so hard for this vacation?

I am speculating that the plans were hatched before RH found out he was not getting promotion and that once brother and family got onboard and said "yes, let's do this" he had already found out he did not have the promotion and rather than tell the brother that was still pretending all was well and he still wanted to plan the vacation.

Was the push from RH from a time period before or after the promotion fell through is what I am wondering.

Yep, the same thing happened to me, regarding being able to read the AJC article. Dang it! I closed it by accident

I'm going by memory, but I think he said around Christmas time.

 

[gwenabob]

Baygents said Harris told him about the insurance policies while the two of them were discussing burial arrangements for Cooper. He said Harris told him to use the money for the boy’s funeral.
Baygents also said Harris gave him control of the Harrises’ accounts when he came to Marietta after Cooper’s death, so he is fully acquainted with the couple’s finances. The family had $6,000 in savings, paid their bills on time and had excellent credit, Baygents said.
“To say they were in financial trouble is just crazy,” he said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

I don't know about any of you, but if I were Leanna, I would be mighty insulted if my hubby gave control of our marital finances to his brother! What? I am so stupid I can't even manage our own bank accounts?? And this from the guy who charged $4,000 to collect a few paltry, worthless air miles! So insulting!

 

[Lovejac]

Agreed. The brother's explanation is not really plausible because why would they be in some sort of trouble over an accidental death? And how would RH be able to "say too much" that would cause them to be in trouble over an accidental death? If the death was truly accidental there would be nothing RH could say too much about that would get them into "trouble.

Bolded and snipped by me.

It IS really just this simple.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Oh! And another thing! Regarding this statement:

Even if RH hadn't baked his son to death in his car, the fact that was a sexual deviant and having sexual encounters with complete strangers, makes him a terrible parent in my book

Unfortunately, many children are in this situation. There are a LOT of terrible parents, and with the advent of the cell phone, the end of the stick that kids get is just getting shorter and shorter. Distraction from kids comes in many forms, and mothers are just as guilty. It's a sad world we live in today. RH, like so many others, seemingly took things for granted--thinking he could have it all.

 

[Cinnamon]

darn, I could access full article earlier but have now reached my max views unpaid. Now cannot access it. cleaning up cookies in hopes of getting round that. But can someone who can still access or has read teh article in full recall WHEN RH was pushing so hard for this vacation?

I am speculating that the plans were hatched before RH found out he was not getting promotion and that once brother and family got onboard and said "yes, let's do this" he had already found out he did not have the promotion and rather than tell the brother that was still pretending all was well and he still wanted to plan the vacation.

Was the push from RH from a time period before or after the promotion fell through is what I am wondering.

Snip from article at link below:

He said he and Harris were happily making arrangements to take their families on a cruise in October. The idea had percolated since Christmas, when Baygents said he wanted to take his wife and four children on a cruise.

Harris suggested the two families vacation together, Baygents said. “He hounded and hounded me about it. I finally gave him a green light about a month and a half ago.”

Harris started communicating with a travel agent about the cruise weeks before Cooper died, Baygents said. They settled on Carnival Cruise Lines after going online and finding a Carnival ship that had water slides for children

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http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/defense-for-toddlers-dad-writes-its-own-story/ngh3p/

HTH.

 

[gwenabob]

He was pushing his brother about going on this cruise... just bugging him like crazy... because he needed this planned cruise as part of his 'innocent' image and he was in a hurry, had a timeline for when he wanted to do this to Cooper imo. Also, how strange he turned all the accts over to his brother, why didn't his wife start handling everything again, or was he keeping money from her?

Where's the beef err the receipt for the cruise down payment?

Agreed. Pretty insulting he gave control of the marital finances to his brother! Egads! That would give me cause to file for divorce right then and there.

As far as the cruise, I think he figured they would go anyway, even without the baby "because Cooper would want us to have fun and live our lives." It would be a great cruise full of teenage babes to ogle by the pool.

I get the feeling this Harris guy has a serious case of Peter Pan Syndrome. He wants to be a 20 year old frat boy forever. Cooper just got in the way of that.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

This "boy-man" called RH could not afford a cruise or a house for that matter. He was barely holding down his job. There was not a significant financial cushion at all.

RH the "boy-man" was leading a double life which results in stress and strain galore on a marriage and when combined with a personality disorder and sex addiction........yep, it was always about him and everything and everyone was just periphery "filler". They are disposable to RH.

"Did you say too much"? That is the understatement of the year.

Think, LH.....think.

 

[stmarysmead]

In my opinion, RH is a guy that has a very high opinion of himself and does NOT like to "loose face." So around Christmas, he is full of big plans, buying a house, having more kids, taking a cruise. He's counting on that promotion. He sees his "real life" as looking good.

Then he is passed over. He tries for another job and is rejected. He's not going to admit that he can't afford the cruise and the down payment on the house that LH is probably counting on. No, he can't loose face. So he goes along.,

But LH admits, having more kids...no not a good time.

He needed money didn't he? And his fake life was becoming far more satisfying then the real one. He doesn't even bother to...WORK...at work anymore.

IMO, he sounds like a time bomb.