Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #2

[DeDee]

The prosecution intends to show that the motivation for Cooper's death was Justin Ross Harris' desire to live a child-free life. Certainly that child free life Harris wanted included sexting. However, was sexting the only benefit that JRH anticipated for his future child free lifestyle?

I personally detest JRH and rue the day he was born. How anyone could consider it a better life to live without little Cooper is beyond my comprehension.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/07/03/justin-ross-harris-cooper-toddler-hot-car-death-live-blog

Stoddard: “It was all about him: ‘I can’t believe this is happening to me. Why am I being punished for this?’

I would have been saying: "Oh, Lord, punish me with death because I have killed my precious Cooper whom I loved with every inch of my being. Cooper, my buddy, I beg of you to forgive me. I can no longer live with myself. Just throw me into a volcano. Now."

 

[chlban]

(above, bbm)
Wow. If he was that tired, should he have been a) caring for a baby; b) driving a car; c) going to work?

I'm not saying this guy did this on purpose...but if you know you're that tired, don't try to go about your day as if you have no impairment. Stay home. Call a babysitter. Get your rest.

Not always an option. I was up one night last week all night with a sick dog at the animal emergency hospital. By the time I got home I had time to get ready and drive to work where there was a very important conference call I had to be on with clients in New York at 6:00 A.M. my time (9:00 A.M. EST)

Fortunately I had no children in my care but by the time I got home that night at approximately 7:00 P.M. (after having stopped to pick up the dog who was recovered, thankfully, by then) I was wiped out. I had been up since 4:00 A.M. the previous day so approximately 37 hours.

Sometimes staying home to rest is just not an option.

 

[LisaB]

That "for the air miles" statement never made sense to me, and now reading your post, I'm thinking he said out of nervousness over what he spent the money on. I'm guessing the money was spent on something embarrassing. There's something weird going on if you blurt out "for the air miles" out of the blue. IMO

I don't think this indicates advanced planning for murder though.

If they were planning this cruise, and needed to get a flight to the port, I can see charging items one might normally pay for with cash, and immediately paying them off to get the airline miles. It is sort of a ruse the credit card companies use to get you to use the card, hoping the cash in your pocket will end up being spent on other things and they will collect interest in excess of the value of the air miles (or rebate, or whatever) they give you for putting the purchase on your card.

 

[human]

Not always an option. I was up one night last week all night with a sick dog at the animal emergency hospital. By the time I got home I had time to get ready and drive to work where there was a very important conference call I had to be on with clients in New York at 6:00 A.M. my time (9:00 A.M. EST)

Fortunately I had no children in my care but by the time I got home that night at approximately 7:00 P.M. (after having stopped to pick up the dog who was recovered, thankfully, by then) I was wiped out. I had been up since 4:00 A.M. the previous day so approximately 37 hours.

Sometimes staying home to rest is just not an option.

Not being mean or picking on you, but here are some things to consider

1. The cemeteries are full of indispensable people

2. If you quit or retire, your job will be filled immediately. Sure, they might think about you once in awhile, but not so much.

3. Probably no one pays you enough to die for them, Yes, police, etc , may die for us.

But if you get in a car accident because you are so tired, is it worth it?

4. If you cause something because of being tired, will your workplace put up your bail and pay for your attorney?

To me, I would analyze the risk I was willing to take.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not being mean or picking on you, but here are some things to consider

1. The cemeteries are full of indispensable people

2. If you quit or retire, your job will be filled immediately. Sure, they might think about you once in awhile, but not so much.

3. Probably no one pays you enough to die for them, Yes, police, etc , may die for us.

But if you get in a car accident because you are so tired, is it worth it?

4. If you cause something because of being tired, will your workplace put up your bail and pay for your attorney?

To me, I would analyze the risk I was willing to take.

Totally agree. I'm in New Jersey where it's actually illegal.
Just wanted to add
http://health.usnews.com/health-new.../11/08/driving-drowsy-as-bad-as-driving-drunk
For the unlucky ones, driving drowsy can end in death, their own or another's. In fact, one in every six deadly car crashes results from a fatigue-impaired driver, estimates the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. That's compared to about one in three caused by a drunk driver. Yet only one state in the nation—New Jersey—has a law against driving while sleep deprived, whereas every state has laws against drunk driving. This seems ludicrous, especially when you consider research suggesting that sleep deprivation has effects similar to imbibing a few drinks: "Sleepiness decreases awareness, slows reaction time, and impairs judgement, just like drugs or alcohol," said AAA Foundation President Peter Kissinger in a statement released with the new study. Australian researchers, for example, have found that volunteers who hadn't slept for nearly 20 hours had response speeds that were 50 percent lower than well-rested folks on some cognitive tests; their performance was on par with those who had a blood-alcohol content of 0.05 percent, which is approaching the legal limit.

 

[psyquestor]

If you were suffering from exhaustion, vis a vis your child up all night; what are the chances you'd feel *ahem* up to taking photos of your penis and sending it in sexts? He didn't seem to be showing any evidence of being tired imho. He showed every indication of being careless and possibly distracted by his internet activities. Whether it was intentional or not - the guy is a slimeball imo. And now his son is dead due to his inept parenting OR his intentional actions. I tend to lean heavily toward the latter.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If you were suffering from exhaustion, vis a vis your child up all night; what are the chances you'd feel *ahem* up to taking photos of your penis and sending it in sexts? He didn't seem to be showing any evidence of being tired imho. He showed every indication of being careless and possibly distracted by his internet activities. Whether it was intentional or not - the guy is a slimeball imo. And now his son is dead due to his inept parenting OR his intentional actions. I tend to lean heavily toward the latter.

Couldn't agree more!

There's also evidence he was tired as he made plans to meet with friends after.

IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

If you were suffering from exhaustion, vis a vis your child up all night; what are the chances you'd feel *ahem* up to taking photos of your penis and sending it in sexts? He didn't seem to be showing any evidence of being tired imho. He showed every indication of being careless and possibly distracted by his internet activities. Whether it was intentional or not - the guy is a slimeball imo. And now his son is dead due to his inept parenting OR his intentional actions. I tend to lean heavily toward the latter.

I lean toward the former, but other than that, Right On!

 

[chlban]

Not being mean or picking on you, but here are some things to consider

1. The cemeteries are full of indispensable people

2. If you quit or retire, your job will be filled immediately. Sure, they might think about you once in awhile, but not so much.

3. Probably no one pays you enough to die for them, Yes, police, etc , may die for us.

But if you get in a car accident because you are so tired, is it worth it?

4. If you cause something because of being tired, will your workplace put up your bail and pay for your attorney?

To me, I would analyze the risk I was willing to take.

Your points are well taken, but let me be clear that it is not that I think my company can't replace me, it's that I know all too well that they can and if I don't perform, they will. Over 50% of the staff at my company has been eliminated in two large lay offs since last December. Were it that it was only my company it would be one thing, but my entire industry has still not fully recovered from the crash.

Is my job worth my life? No, but after experiencing unemployment for the first time in my life a few years ago, and then having to accept "underemployment" with a corresponding 50% pay cut just to get a job for another couple of years, My savings are not looking to robust, but my credit card balances have certainly increased. It could get extremely bad if I were to be unemployed again.

The reality is, I am not alone. I am actually one of the lucky ones in my industry. I had savings, and I didn't lose my house. Even more amazing I managed to maintain a strong credit score. But next time I may not be as lucky. I know many many people who lost everything including their homes.

So with that prospect, I am willing to take a couple of "Jet Alert" pills (sold OTC at Walmart, mostly caffeine so nothing scandalous there) drink alot of extra strong coffee and sing along really loud to a George Strait CD and risk the drive. The truth is, although I start out rested on Monday's by Wednesdays I am starting to drag and by Friday's I am pretty much exhausted every week. I cannot call in sick every time I need to take a nap or I simply won't have a job.

I don't think this case was an accident, although I retain a very slight possibility that it could be. I don't have any reason to think there was any fatigue in play here at all, in fact it seems Home Depot is the place to get a job so you can work less than 7 hours and text all day. I was actually responding in regards to another man In CT. who blamed fatigue on his leaving his child in the car.

 

[LisaB]

Gah, read through that now... Frightening!



I'll try my best to stay out from under rocks. eace: :smile:

I've never been one to shelter my kids from life's truths, though I wouldn't hand them a true crime novel or anything, I'm having mixed feelings about my older kids knowing information about this case. Just my random thought of the day. (My 12 year old pointed out a Hyundai Tuscon in the Walmart parking lot today and yesterday, she saw a man and pointed out that she thought he looked like JRH.)

My parents used to take my sister and I to visit their friends for a weekend of bridge (usually including lots of alcohol) and because my sister was closer in age to their daughter than I was, I often sat and read books that were lying around. By the time I was 11 or 12, I had read All the President's Men and Helter Skelter. I doubt my parents had a clue what I was reading!

 

[LisaB]

Yes...but I thought it pretty much captured the definition/explanation of *advertiser censored*. If you have something better, maybe you could share it? Thanks...

*advertiser censored* noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Depiction of erotic behaviour intended to cause sexual excitement. The word originally signified any work of art or literature depicting the life of prostitutes. Though *advertiser censored* is clearly ancient in origin, its early history is obscure because it was customarily not thought worthy of transmission or preservation. Nevertheless, in the artwork of many historic societies, including ancient India, ancient Greece, and Rome, erotic imagery was commonplace and often appeared in religious contexts. The Art of Love, by Ovid, is a treatise on seduction and sensual arousal. The invention of printing led to the production of ambitious works of pornographic writing intended to entertain as well as to arouse. In 18th-century Europe, *advertiser censored* became a vehicle for social and political protest through its depiction of the misdeeds of royalty and other aristocrats, as well as those of clerics, a traditional target. The development of photography and motion pictures in the 19th and 20th centuries contributed greatly to the proliferation of *advertiser censored*, as did the advent of the Internet in the late 20th century. During the 20th century, restrictions on *advertiser censored* were relaxed throughout much of Europe and North America, though regulations remained strict in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. Child *advertiser censored* is almost universally prohibited.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/*advertiser censored*

por·nog·ra·phy noun \-fē\
: movies, pictures, magazines, etc., that show or describe naked people or sex in a very open and direct way in order to cause sexual excitement

Full Definition of *advertiser censored*

1
: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2
: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3
: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the *advertiser censored* of violence>
— por·no·graph·ic adjective
— por·no·graph·i·cal·ly adverb
See *advertiser censored* defined for English-language learners »
See *advertiser censored* defined for kids »
Examples of *advertiser censored*

If you ask me, his movies are just high-class *advertiser censored*.
Origin of *advertiser censored*

Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from *advertiser censored*&#275; prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey — more at fare, carve
First Known Use: 1858

 

[LisaB]

As far as the cops and their reactions to the sex texts, who knows? Like so many other things surrounding this case--we just don't.

It seemed as if you were saying YOU knew, when you implied they were getting their jollies reviewing his sexts... I think THAT is what people objected to.

 

[CCmakes3]

Sexting and *advertiser censored* are inclusive:

*advertiser censored*
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*advertiser censored*

"Pornographers have taken advantage of each technological advance in the production and distribution of *advertiser censored*. They have used lithographs, the printing press, and photography. *advertiser censored* is considered a driving force in the development of technologies from the printing press, through photography (still and motion), to satellite TV, other forms of video, and the Internet. With the invention of tiny cameras and wireless equipments voyeur *advertiser censored* is gaining ground. Mobile cameras are used to capture pornographic photos or videos, and forwarded as MMS, a practice known as sexting."

I think the time Stoddard spent on the details of RH's sexting were done for the "WOW" factor Do you think that someone who browses *advertiser censored* on a regular basis has the right to accuse a person who sextes of being an immoral person, or maybe just more immoral?

Woah, it sounds like you are accusing Stoddard of "browsing *advertiser censored* on a regular basis"??? If I am understanding you correctly that is HUGE. How do you know this? Can you post a link? Thanks!

 

[Hippiemomof5]

My parents used to take my sister and I to visit their friends for a weekend of bridge (usually including lots of alcohol) and because my sister was closer in age to their daughter than I was, I often sat and read books that were lying around. By the time I was 11 or 12, I had read All the President's Men and Helter Skelter. I doubt my parents had a clue what I was reading!

Please tell me you aren't psychologically damaged. lol

 

[MissJ]

JMO Cops didn't get their " jollies" by reviewing RH's texts. GMAB they see this crap all the time. If they wanted to see this crap they would do it on line without an audience. I don't think any LE did anything wrong.

 

[PaperDoll]

Doesn't matter what type of work a man does; men, not all, look at *advertiser censored*, PERIOD and LE isn't exempt from it. LE is doing their job, piecing the evidence together for this case, and they do have to look, and investigate, RH's cell phone use which we all know that he was sexting (*advertiser censored*) young ladies. LE, I'm sure, has seen it all so *advertiser censored* isn't a surprise to them.

 

[LisaB]

Please tell me you aren't psychologically damaged. lol

Of course I am... I am on WS, right?
I am no more messed up than anyone else, and figure it is a matter of "know thy enemy." By reading what people are capable of and how they accomplish it, you learn to protect yourself. Not that I have done a great job of THAT! (and my inner grammar nazi has to mention that "true crime novel" is an oxymoron.)

 

[Hippiemomof5]

Of course I am... I am on WS, right?
I am no more messed up than anyone else, and figure it is a matter of "know thy enemy." By reading what people are capable of and how they accomplish it, you learn to protect yourself. Not that I have done a great job of THAT! (and my inner grammar nazi has to mention that "true crime novel" is an oxymoron.)

Haha, I suppose I could warp her in far worse ways? I know I read a lot of true crime books as a teen and am relatively unharmed, for some reason, it feels different when you're the parent! And I had to laugh at the grammar nazi comment, we all joke about that in our house. Although, online, typing on my iphone, I try my best, but I admit that I am terrible at proof reading my posts! :gaah:

 

[Elley Mae]

Of course I am... I am on WS, right?
I am no more messed up than anyone else, and figure it is a matter of "know thy enemy." By reading what people are capable of and how they accomplish it, you learn to protect yourself. Not that I have done a great job of THAT! (and my inner grammar nazi has to mention that "true crime novel" is an oxymoron.)

bbm that made me think of this

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Quote by Sun Tzu

 

[Sonya610]

*advertiser censored* noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Depiction of erotic behaviour intended to cause sexual excitement.

Exactly! *advertiser censored* is a depiction of erotic acts.

Sexting is not *advertiser censored*, even though engaging in such can sometimes involve pornographic pictures.

*advertiser censored* is about viewing images that are sexually exciting (but technically considered offensive to the general public, that is the definiton of *advertiser censored*); sexting is about interacting with another in a sexually exciting/explicit way in order to stimulate the other to....errrmmmm...nough said.

Two totally different things.