Sniff tests, hair decomp, really so conclusive? Fence sitters thread

[nancy botwin]

Did anyone hear the question that was asked on NG tonight?

If you're asking about the question asked by the caller:

We are taking your calls live. Out to Shirley in Florida. Hi, Shirley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I`ve been trying to call for a month. My question is, with all the partying that Casey does, could she have been in a blackout? Could she have left Caylee in the car, in the heat, and she had died and then Casey, going into a blackout, panicking, putting her daughter in the trunk?

GRACE: OK. Let me ask you something. I`ve got Shirley in Florida on the phone with me. Shirley, you mean she`s still in a blackout when she puts the little girl in the car trunk?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, if she`s doing drugs and drinking, she might...

GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! So a blackout from drugs and drinking. Let`s go straight to the lawyers, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney out of Atlanta, veteran trial lawyer John Burris joining me from San Francisco. Correct me if I`m wrong, Ray Giudice, but voluntary intoxication or drug use is not a defense....


( from 9/2 Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html )

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

Sorry but I missed NG tonight. Hear Cindy Anthony called in.

I thought it was a great question that makes you wonder. The caller asked if they have proof and have had proof of decompostion in CA's car trunk even if they are not sure who was in the trunk why have no new charges been filed on that evidence alone?

 

[racegirl72]

Seagull, your observations are very astute. Wondering if you have background in forensics or law or medicine?

Dogs have been used for years and years, and have been successful in aiding in investigations time and time again....they are proven....I've got a little house dog that is in heat, and there are male dogs from far away camped out on my lawn right now....u just can't argue with dogs, they have no bias, they don't take sides, LE wouldn't use them if they weren't trusted. :clap:

 

[ebedeeb]

IMO, the smell was vomit from a locked up car., and maybe even the reason for the stain. Bury a body, kill a baby, sudden realization of what you just did/witnessed, in all likelihood a person of "normal" capacity" would vomit. Or open the trunk and see a dead baby, it would make most of us vomit, IMO, LE is trying to make the connection. They have the forensic evidence, just have to tie the decomp to the crime which might not be from the car at all.

 

[TGIRecovered]

bump-ty bump

 

[irishbosoxfan]

subscribing

 

[Cher352]

They are not offering immunity because they dont have clear evidence. They are offering PARTIAL immunity in hopes Casey will lead LE to Caylee. By promising they wont use any information she gives in locating caylee to prosecute.

And remember it was Baez who approached LE first about immunity.

 

[kathyn2]

How many fence sitters are still left around here??

 

[Dejablue]

I remain on the fence and hopeful that Caylee is alive and that her young mother's life will also not be ruined.

I think the thread was for those on the fence. I think your mind is already made up. Most seemed to just want to convince others to believe what they believe.

Is it just me, OR do these two seem like the same person???!?!?!?!

 

[TGIRecovered]

This thread was way back in the old threads. Hard to find! I wonder if the events of the last two days have caused some sitters to fall off the fence?

Seagull, where are you? Have you changed your mind?

Susan

 

[Cher352]

Any evidence certainly will have to be scrutinized in court--not least of all the "cadaver dog" evidence. Who says there is any scientific accuracy in that at all? I know it's a popular notion and nice to believe, but who says how accurate it is at all? I mean, the dogs alerted on areas of the back yard. There wasn't anything there. So then, the rationalization that's applied is that the corpse must have been there but was moved, or someone touched a corpse and touched that area, etc, etc. There's some explanation regardless how the dogs alert. Well if it goes to court, hopefully we will hear what, if any, research has been done to determine the rate of accuracy of cadaver dogs noses. It's funny how quick some people are to just accept whatever new technique is used, though, no questions asked.

Sorry to say this but I have a feeling the jury will believe the dogs and the DNA over all the lies Casey has told. All those lies will be dissected over and over again, they are all so far fetched that that no one will buy into them thus leaving DNA and the dogs the only thing credible to believe in.

 

[lillygator]

I don't think anyone would believe anything out of the Anthony's mouths. They have lied from the beginning.

 

[tttterri]

It is just a matter of time before we no longer have to guess at the truth or the facts. All that is hidden will one day be revealed.

 

[treeseeker]

I'm not a fence sitter in that I'm following the family's stories. I don't understand why, if LE is confident about the cadaver dog hits in the back yard, they haven't dug up every square inch, especially given the neighbor's testimony about the shovel. I don't think we have access to nearly as much evidence as LE.

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

If you're asking about the question asked by the caller:

We are taking your calls live. Out to Shirley in Florida. Hi, Shirley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I`ve been trying to call for a month. My question is, with all the partying that Casey does, could she have been in a blackout? Could she have left Caylee in the car, in the heat, and she had died and then Casey, going into a blackout, panicking, putting her daughter in the trunk?

GRACE: OK. Let me ask you something. I`ve got Shirley in Florida on the phone with me. Shirley, you mean she`s still in a blackout when she puts the little girl in the car trunk?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, if she`s doing drugs and drinking, she might...

GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! So a blackout from drugs and drinking. Let`s go straight to the lawyers, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney out of Atlanta, veteran trial lawyer John Burris joining me from San Francisco. Correct me if I`m wrong, Ray Giudice, but voluntary intoxication or drug use is not a defense....


( from 9/2 Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html )

No, it was this question


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just had a question. The fact that her mom already had a dead body -- or pieces of a dead body in her trunk, you know, whether or not it`s Caylee or not, why hasn`t she been charged with driving around with, you know, pieces of a dead body in her trunk, a decaying body?

GRACE: You know, that is an interesting question. Let`s go back out to the lawyers. To John Burris. The forensic tests show that there was a decomposing human in that car trunk. What can authorities do with that?

 

[ThoughtElf]

This thread was way back in the old threads. Hard to find! I wonder if the events of the last two days have caused some sitters to fall off the fence?

Seagull, where are you? Have you changed your mind?

Susan

And bring along MommaShark, too.

(why did I suddenly just imagine tops spinning?)

 

[librarian_mama]

Sorry to say this but I have a feeling the jury will believe the dogs and the DNA over all the lies Casey has told. All those lies will be dissected over and over again, they are all so far fetched that that no one will buy into them thus leaving DNA and the dogs the only thing credible to believe in.

I love when attorneys in court do the old "are you lying now or were you lying then? OK, so you were lying then--how do we know you're not lying now?" routine with liars on the stand. You know what they say about liars--you can always tell they're lying when their lips are moving.

 

[RR0004]

See, I thought it was Baez & Daughter. There was one exchange early on where MommaShark said, "I've got your back." and something else that implied MommaS was the more experienced party.

Regardless, whom ever they were, I hope they've since toppled like Humpty Dumpty. (wall/fence, Potato - Potahtoe - it's all semantics)

Def, somebody involved!

 

[RR0004]

Any evidence certainly will have to be scrutinized in court--not least of all the "cadaver dog" evidence. Who says there is any scientific accuracy in that at all? I know it's a popular notion and nice to believe, but who says how accurate it is at all? I mean, the dogs alerted on areas of the back yard. There wasn't anything there. So then, the rationalization that's applied is that the corpse must have been there but was moved, or someone touched a corpse and touched that area, etc, etc. There's some explanation regardless how the dogs alert. Well if it goes to court, hopefully we will hear what, if any, research has been done to determine the rate of accuracy of cadaver dogs noses. It's funny how quick some people are to just accept whatever new technique is used, though, no questions asked.

Use of cadaver dogs is not a new technique.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Patiently waiting for the first volley of the night here...

"Sitting on top of the fence,
Waiting to hear from the defense
Oh, I'm just sitting on the top of the fence
wastin' time... "

(that was a pretty good Otis Redding voice, yes?)