Spain Spain - Ana Knezevich, 40, from Florida, going through divorce, missing under suspicious circumstances on trip to Madrid, 5 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

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Thinking of the possibility of Ana typing both messages under a threat. Imagine yourself in Ana’s shoes. She is abducted and threatened by a person speaking good English and probably, decent Spanish, but for whom Colombian Spanish is not his mother tongue. What would a woman do? Probably, type the messages in such a way that it would attract attention. Her family would see the accents and understand that it is highly unusual for Ana.

If so, what does Chevere stand for? (The first letters of the person’s first name?)
I think your explanation of Ana texting subtle hints that something is wrong via her use of Spanish is a possibility.

Another possibility could be somebody has taken her phone. They dont know alot of Spanish. So, they use a mix of literal translations from their language, Columbian Spanish slang they have heard and say, Google translate which gives correct, but perhaps stilted options.

As for Chevere....

I dont know the origins to that. Spanish has the word Caballero (literally horseman, but also means "gentleman"). I think Cheval means horse in French. Maybe Chevere is a shortened version of the French for "horse rider / gentleman"?

So... in slang "I met a nice guy"? Or.... is it something to do with goat cheese in French? Sort of like "chou" which means "cabbage", but also means "cute" or "darling".
 
A Florida woman who went missing in Spain two weeks ago had started using dating app Bumble in the months before she vanished, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

Investigators have tracked down at least two men that Ana Knezevich, 40, was chatting with before she was last seen outside her rented Madrid apartment on February 2.



ETA: Some signs of trouble surfacing:

The couple had been embroiled in a number of recent lawsuits, including a bank taking them to court last year for allegedly defaulting on a $399,000 mortgage.

David was sued again last October for falling behind on a second, $435,000 mortgage, but both cases were dismissed.

DailyMail.com can also reveal that David sought restraining orders against two men in 2018 claiming that they had stalked and threatened to murder him.
 
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I think your explanation of Ana texting subtle hints that something is wrong via her use of Spanish is a possibility.

Another possibility could be somebody has taken her phone. They dont know alot of Spanish. So, they use a mix of literal translations from their language, Columbian Spanish slang they have heard and say, Google translate which gives correct, but perhaps stilted options.

As for Chevere....

I dont know the origins to that. Spanish has the word Caballero (literally horseman, but also means "gentleman"). I think Cheval means horse in French. Maybe Chevere is a shortened version of the French for "horse rider / gentleman"?

So... in slang "I met a nice guy"? Or.... is it something to do with goat cheese in French? Sort of like "chou" which means "cabbage", but also means "cute" or "darling".

(Each time I think about the combination of French and Spanish, I look into Catalan, but it does not have such a word.) It may be a localism, or something used inside Ana’s family, if indeed used by her. Assuming that the Spanish version was meant for Ana’s brother, whatever stands out to him, might be a clue, a crumb she left.

There is a much higher chance that the notes were, sadly, left by someone else, and that the person incapacitated her rather quickly. They might have used the well-known function of apartments in many European cities; (convenient but no one pays attention to either people, or the fact that the cameras are vandalized.)

However, in the absence of any information, the chance of her being alert can’t be discounted either. If so, we might as well look at what she wrote in that strange note. “Casa de recreo” is an interesting term in general because of what stands behind it varies in different countries. I even thought, maybe she hinted at a place whose name started with Casa located within a 2-hour radius from Madrid, but if you Google, several Airbnbs are called this way, too.
 
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As for Chevere....

I dont know the origins to that. Spanish has the word Caballero (literally horseman, but also means "gentleman"). I think Cheval means horse in French. Maybe Chevere is a shortened version of the French for "horse rider / gentleman"?
Apparently chévere is first attested in Cuba, and while of uncertain etymology, it may have come from Africa.
 
I posted the Sunbiz website to EOX's filings but I didn't dig deeper because I'm not in Florida.
Maybe it's easier for a Floridian on WS to try & check the value of the company or how well they are doing?
Looking at the properties, I wonder if it would mean taking money out of the company?

Ditto, because of Florida's sunshine laws, are there any listings re the divorce?
one article mentioned millions of dollars and various real estate properties.
 
I said “not directly”. He has not been accused. The husband is a person with obvious interest, however, Ana is a young woman living alone in Spain, and post-Covid world is full of freaks.

What’s important is his flight to Serbia. Was it direct, or with a layover? Was there any trip from Serbia to another European country, especially the one nearby, and back?

Specifically because millions are involved, I think it would have been planned better. Dark Web is an option, but in some places, it is easier to hire someone directly. Certain countries very close to Serbia are in dire economic straits, and while not EU members, their citizens don’t need a visa to travel to EU.
No one has been accused... and there are countless stories on Dateline, etc. about murders gone wrong with millions of dollars involved. Money doesn't make a criminal smart.
 
Not this case, as we don’t yet have a poi, just a missing person. JMO - I am not a lawyer, but there is general logic in humans. Extradition/non-extradition, strictly speaking, applies to political cases or cases having political potential. Another possible situation would be difference in laws between the two countries (e.g., drugs), or huge difference in punishment for the same crime. And, the third reason to adhere to laws, more likely in some countries than others, is when the person to be extradited has enough money to bribe local officials. (But it is high risk, so we are probably talking about a lot of dough).
When it comes to garden-variety murderers, no country is eager to hold extra, so lack of mutual extradition treaty becomes a moot point. See Maricella Botello’s case. Cambodia has no extradition treaty with the US, in fact, it is on the list of “best non-extradition countries”, yet it was obviously too happy to get rid of the scary murderous couple. There are many laws allowing to “extradite without extradition”.


Now, we are discussing only a potential poi, whoever they might be, and likely, it is not a husband. I am thinking, if it is a US phone company, it is not difficult for someone living in the US to get a second owner of the same account, and then it is easy to control any phone. Also, I once bought a device (a tiny portable printer) that I can now safely call “a spy”. ((( It had an app that one needed to install, and Apple Store didn’t have it, while Google play did. So much about Android safety. Then also, companies like TMobile have “digits” function. I bet Verizon or AT@T have similar programs. So, not so hard these days. Lots of other spyware around.

It would be of interest to find out if Ana bought a local phone, or used an international plan on a US one.
Ana was using What's App to communicate. Anyone can login from anywhere w/ username + password.
 
I live in Madrid and very much agree on the latter point about the suitcase. The idea that she could be forced out of her apartment and bundled into a car on that street seems impossible. It would be very tricky to even park up (illegally) outside her apartment block for half a minute without an irate bus driver or something blaring their horn. Moreover, the metro station is right there. Madrileños stay out very late throughout the year, let alone around the new year period (the main Christmas celebration in Spain is on the 6th of January). Very hard to imagine this could have happened and nobody sees a thing, leaving side all the cctv, taxi dashcam footage etc

I am glad you pointed this out. My experience in Madrid is that people are up late nights, are out and about throughout the night. So people would be around.

I also agree about a suitcase being used as a likely possibility.

The fact that the husband didn't go to Madrid to help look for his wife is suspect, IMO.
Even though they are going through a divorce, they were married for twelve or so years, and helping to find Ana should be a priority. He would know her habits, possibly help with Spain's LE and he was invited to go to Madrid to help find her by Ana's best friend, someone he knew, and it would have been easy for him to accept the offer. Why would he go to Serbia? That's what LE are likely asking.

If he is possibly a suspect, I could see why he wouldn't go. Estranged husbands are typically suspect #1. He's not a Spanish citizen, may not know all the laws there. What if he was arrested on arrival or soon after? Could that happen? How long could he be held on suspicion? Etc.? Regardless of his guilt or innocence, he could be setting himself up for getting arrested in a different country and that might make it hard to leave again (maybe arrested and released but told not to leave the country). Even if he is 100% innocent, I could see why he would choose not to go.

Complete supposition on my part and moo.
 
I am glad you pointed this out. My experience in Madrid is that people are up late nights, are out and about throughout the night. So people would be around.

I also agree about a suitcase being used as a likely possibility.



If he is possibly a suspect, I could see why he wouldn't go. Estranged husbands are typically suspect #1. He's not a Spanish citizen, may not know all the laws there. What if he was arrested on arrival or soon after? Could that happen? How long could he be held on suspicion? Etc.? Regardless of his guilt or innocence, he could be setting himself up for getting arrested in a different country and that might make it hard to leave again (maybe arrested and released but told not to leave the country). Even if he is 100% innocent, I could see why he would choose not to go.

Complete supposition on my part and moo.
The KFC at the entrance to her building is open until 11 PM also. She was last seen at 10 PM. Her bedroom lights were reported seen on around 1 AM.
 
It appears that chévere is a slang word meaning cool in Latin America, including Colombia. I'm not sure why Ana's brother said that she would not have used that word. Google translate would probably not suggest it and (IMO) someone with zero exposure to the language likely wouldn't use it either.

 
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(Each time I think about the combination of French and Spanish, I look into Catalan, but it does not have such a word.) It may be a localism, or something used inside Ana’s family, if indeed used by her. Assuming that the Spanish version was meant for Ana’s brother, whatever stands out to him, might be a clue, a crumb she left.

There is a much higher chance that the notes were, sadly, left by someone else, and that the person incapacitated her rather quickly. They might have used the well-known function of apartments in many European cities; (convenient but no one pays attention to either people, or the fact that the cameras are vandalized.)

However, in the absence of any information, the chance of her being alert can’t be discounted either. If so, we might as well look at what she wrote in that strange note. “Casa de recreo” is an interesting term in general because of what stands behind it varies in different countries. I even thought, maybe she hinted at a place whose name started with Casa located within a 2-hour radius from Madrid, but if you Google, several Airbnbs are called this way, too.
It's an extremely common word in Colombia and a few other Spanish-speaking countries. What I found strange here is that the brother would say she never uses this word.

This is like someone saying their English sister never used the word "great". I'm also puzzled by her not having a Spanish keyboard activated on her phone. Unless she speaks only with her family in English and has severed all ties with Colombia?

Sadly, I find it more likely someone would simply use her phone posing as her (though this assumes she had no pin code on her phone? Or the pin code was demanded?). What would be gained in forcing her to send the text versus someone simply posing as her? As I said above, whoever did this almost certainly knew the ruse wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny over days and weeks. Sooner or later, it's obvious she would have come back from this supposedly town outside Madrid. More likely it was designed to buy a few hours in the event that someone realised she was missing too early?

Also, I'm not sure the apartment would have actual 'security cameras'. I think it's more likely it's simply an intercom video, much like the one I have in my apartment and countless other Madrileños.
 
Apparently chévere is first attested in Cuba, and while of uncertain etymology, it may have come from Africa.
Yeah, this. There are a few other theories, some which get into French-related elements, but this seems to be the accepted view -- African via Cuba. There is a solid strand of Cubans / African peoples who moved on to Colombia in one form or another and explains why the word is in such circulation.
 
No one has been accused... and there are countless stories on Dateline, etc. about murders gone wrong with millions of dollars involved. Money doesn't make a criminal smart.
I hate to speculate but we've seen this kind of situation before where as you learn about it, you think 'it's not possible this guy is stupid enough to think he can just get away with the life insurance money... oh.'
 
I am glad you pointed this out. My experience in Madrid is that people are up late nights, are out and about throughout the night. So people would be around.

I also agree about a suitcase being used as a likely possibility.



If he is possibly a suspect, I could see why he wouldn't go. Estranged husbands are typically suspect #1. He's not a Spanish citizen, may not know all the laws there. What if he was arrested on arrival or soon after? Could that happen? How long could he be held on suspicion? Etc.? Regardless of his guilt or innocence, he could be setting himself up for getting arrested in a different country and that might make it hard to leave again (maybe arrested and released but told not to leave the country). Even if he is 100% innocent, I could see why he would choose not to go.

Complete supposition on my part and moo.
There's a line of dialogue in an Almodóvar movie where someone calls a woman in Madrid from Vienna and says "sorry, I know it's late." She replies: "This is Madrid. It is never 'late'." Completely normal to see grannies taking the dog for a walk at 1am, seeing families out on the terrace with their young kids well after midnight. If you go to a night club at midnight, it's going to be dead etc It's just the culture, mixed with the incredibly late sun-down etc.

RE: the husband not going to Spain. Typically, it's a 72-hour that is the maximum you can be detained without the judge either releasing you or sending you to jail to await trial etc. I wouldn't find it dodgy per se that he's not keen to get involved in this, after all, he will realise that he's going to be a suspect until a better one emerges. But it sounds like the Spanish authorities have reached out to him and he's spoken to them. So, that's something at least. If he was still off the map, that would be a huge red flag.
 
It appears that chévere is a slang word meaning cool in Latin America, including Colombia. I'm not sure why Ana's brother said that she would not have used that word. Google translate would probably not suggest it and (IMO) someone with zero exposure to the language likely wouldn't use it either.

Yes, this jumped out at me too.
 
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Looks like Serbia has greatly increased its cooperation agreements with EU nations ( like Spain) since they signed in 2019 - should extradition Serbia - Spain be required in the future.

The cooperation agreement and the appointment of a Liaison Prosecutor is a superb way to successfully fight crime across borders. My expectations have been fully met. It is a model for Serbian-EU cooperation and protection of the rule of law.



TBC for anybody browsing WS - am not suggesting her husband is viewed as a suspect - by LE, currently.
There could be lots of PoIs - she's been visiting Spain over a long period and may have crossed paths with many individuals and built up a wide circle
I have no idea about extradition treaties and don't doubt this source for a second. I'm just saying the Spanish press has specifically flagged up the difficulty in interrogating the ex-husband due to him being in Serbia / Serbian.
 
It appears that chévere is a slang word meaning cool in Latin America, including Colombia. I'm not sure why Ana's brother said that she would not have used that word. Google translate would probably not suggest it and (IMO) someone with zero exposure to the language likely wouldn't use it either.


IMO, but that is me, if I were texting, I'd write cool instead of chévere. Taps much easier on the keyboard. Just as I would use shorthand 2h for 2 hours. I would only use chévere if I allways used it, because then my spellings checker would fill in the word for me, instead of replacing it with a correction. (I tried chévere on my phone and the spelling checker proposes 'cheers' :) )

Rule of thumb in these cases is that if the message does not look like it was written by the person we know, the person we know did not write it.

I follow a case in France, where the perp kept his victim seemingly alive for a while by impersonating her on her phone. The mistakes in style, in choice of words, syntax etc he made were huge and everyone around her was almost immediately alerted that something was very off. He was smart, but not as smart as he thought he was.

I think it will be the same in Ana's case. Ana did not write this because she was no longer in possession of her phone at the time that these messages were sent.

IMO the messages were written by someone whose first language is neither (LA) Spanish nor English, maybe with help from other persons.
 
New to the case -- were the English and Spanish messages both sent to the same person 2 hours apart? Were the messages sent to one specific person in Ana's phone? Were they sent to multiple people? What is her closeness/relationship with the people who did receive her text and would a stranger be able to determine who to text and about what?
 
Here would be my questions in general.

- is this Ana’s texting style, in English and in Spanish? (I think, the relatives’ answer was, no).

- is the person sending the texts bilingual, or not? (A bilingual person living mostly in one country may make mistakes and use odd phrases, and yet, one immediately sees the bilingualism.)

( I typed the English text into Google translate and saw the Spanish version that was somewhat different from what “Ana” had sent. But when I ran the Spanish message through GT, I saw a normal English text. I don’t know what to make of it. Maybe it is just English-leaning GT.)

Thinking of the possibility of Ana typing both messages under a threat. Imagine yourself in Ana’s shoes. She is abducted and threatened by a person speaking good English and probably, decent Spanish, but for whom Colombian Spanish is not his mother tongue. What would a woman do? Probably, type the messages in such a way that it would attract attention. Her family would see the accents and understand that it is highly unusual for Ana. Other people would say, by the phrases she uses, it is not Colombian Spanish. But the person checking her message would be happy, all that he sees is that the message is in Spanish and he doesn't notice these tiny oddities.

Could there be some information in these oddities? Would Anna say Chevere? Did she call anyone this way? Or does she use another word for cute? If so, what does Chevere stand for? (The first letters of the person’s first name?)

Or is “2h” her style? If not, could it be a route? Or direction (Henares)?

I wonder if she was trying to send a special message hinting at her situation in such a way?
What happens when you use the Whats App translator? She was using Whats App, which has its own translator.
 
New to the case -- were the English and Spanish messages both sent to the same person 2 hours apart? Were the messages sent to one specific person in Ana's phone? Were they sent to multiple people? What is her closeness/relationship with the people who did receive her text and would a stranger be able to determine who to text and about what?
brother + friend Sanna
 

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