The dogs are with family in the UK I believe.I had no idea they got rid of the dogs.
The dogs are with family in the UK I believe.I had no idea they got rid of the dogs.
The part that stood out most to me was where Laura said;
“I told them what she said to me about their relationship. Esther said she and Dan were taking a break and she didn’t know if they were going to get back together."
Food=Calories; Calories=HeatThis story was in the paper today but doesn't seem to have been mentioned. A new witness claims that Esther told her that she and Dan were "on a break". Also, British police have become involved; Missing hiker 'had problems in her love life' Brit cops hear as they join search
That certainly gives a different impression than we have otherwise heard about the relationship.
I've always been curious why the book about mountain travels was authored only by Dan. Surely everything that was written was somehow influenced by both of them. Perhaps he was better with words, she with photography, but still it was a 6 year joint journey.
January 9
"The final time the couple spoke was via a video call. 'We were both very happy to see each other so happy. We were also excited we'd be together again in a few days,' Mr Colegate said.Boyfriend of Briton who vanished in Pyrenees rubbishes claim she was unhappy in their relationship | Daily Mail Online
Mr Colegate dismissed the theory that that his partner could have 'voluntarily disappeared' because she was unhappy in their relationship.
This theory was put forward by French Captain Jean-Marc Bordinaro in December, who has been leading the investigation into Ms Dingley. He told The Times that officers were unable to dismiss 'the theory of a voluntary disappearance' [suicide?].
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French police, meanwhile, have dismissed the possibility that a third party may have been involved in her disappearance, saying an accident is the 'favoured line of enquiry' in their investigation.
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Since Ms Dingley's disappearance, Mr Colegate has worked with British charity LBT Global. His work has lead to a dossier outlining three theories behind her disappearance. These are that she was involved in an accident, that she went missing on purpose, or that someone else harmed her.
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Mr Colegate told the newspaper ... 'A third person being involved is the only other viable alternative.'
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A book and memoir written by Colegate and later published titled 'What Adventures Shall We Have Today?: Travelling from More to Less in Search of a Simpler Life', published in June"
Just noticed something
That's a 500 m (1600 ft) drop. The switchbacks, including the cable system, are above the lake (see topo map)
- altitude cable system (see caption in photo) : 2738 m
- altitude Boum de Venasque : 2248 m
We can probably calculate her speed at the lake elevation - if she fell 500 m
"The higher any object starts falling from above Earth’s surface, the faster it’s traveling by the time it reaches the ground. Do you know why? The reason is gravity."
Acceleration Due to Gravity
It seems to me that
if a person was unhappy in their relationship, and
if they somehow couldn't just leave the relationship in the usual way (ie tell partner they don't want to stay together), and
if they decided to take advantage of a solo trip to make their break to a new life without having to confront their partner,
they would nevertheless stay in touch with their own family and would certainly contact LE to say there is no need to conduct searches for them.
MOO
What attaches a person to the cable system? A carabiner or something of the sort? If her route was a known one..... hmmm.... what if someone sabotaged her joiner? With deadly consequence....
Thinking so far outside the box that I'm in a completely different box altogether. Just a thought... because I've heard of parachutes that are jimmied....
JMO
You'd need ED's weight as well as approx. 34 lbs for her clothing, boots, and pack. You'd need the dossier's approximately 16 lbs, plus the clothing she had on, plus the boots, plus the weight of the sundries (not a minor amount), plus the things that were not on the list (including ground cloth tarp, socks, mini first aid kit, map, etc.), plus food (standard would be 2 lbs per person per day; plus 1 extra meal, plus an extra energy bar), plus 2 liters water (4 lbs.)....
Voluntary disappearance and suicide could explain why she didn't research the Refuge de Venasque, didn't know about the Winter room, didn't book in advance. Perhaps she had no intention of going there - but told some people that was her plan.
Perhaps that's where we get the confusion that she was hiking from the Pic de Sauvegarde to the Port de Venasque and Refuge de Venasque OR she was hiking to the Port de Glere. There's no trail from Pic de Sauvegarde to Port de Glere, but perhaps she planned to watch the sunset that evening on the peaks towards Port de Glere.
Great find Muva! And very interesting indeed. It may confirm some of our theories about ED's state of mind... ED's relationship with DC... and her lack of food...This story was in the paper today but doesn't seem to have been mentioned. A new witness claims that Esther told her that she and Dan were "on a break". Also, British police have become involved; Missing hiker 'had problems in her love life' Brit cops hear as they join search
Yes, Otto. I have wondered that myself in my prior musings here - whether ED truly intended to go to the Refuge de Vanesque on 22/11. Or if she simply descended back down to her van or the Cabane she stayed at 21/11 at the trail head of Pic de S... Or hiked towards Port de Glere - via the trail next to the Refuge de Vanesque - to possibly bivouac on the edge of Lac de Montagnette (see image below). Or did she bivouac at the summit of Pic de Sauvegarde on 22/11? Or just walk into a deep lake to end it all.
Anyhow, back to the idea that dear ED is at the bottom of a lake. I went back to topo maps and some web pics from the summit of Pic de Sauvegarde. Given the trajectory if ED fell from the back side of the col, would / could she have landed near the middle of the Boum de Vanesque? But without a trace of anything on the rock face?
On the topo map, I drew in two red lines - the left line would be the fall from the summit, the right line would be the fall from that steep descent from Port de Vanesque you talked about. And I have a picture of Boum Lake from the backside of the Pic de S summit. We've seen images like this before, but have we explored a fall from here?
Going back to RickshawFan's assessment that with ED's slim stature, her heavy pack, and the design of the pack, it could possibly topple her backwards in an accident. Or if she tried to retrieve a dropped phone... Or many other scenarios that might have put her in a precarious situation she could not recover from...
Sources:
Image #1: Sauvegarde / Salvaguardia
Image #2: Lakes "Boum du Port" : Photos, Diagrams & Topos : SummitPost
Yes, Otto. I have wondered that myself in my prior musings here - whether ED truly intended to go to the Refuge de Vanesque on 22/11. Or if she simply descended back down to her van or the Cabane she stayed at 21/11 at the trail head of Pic de S... Or hiked towards Port de Glere - via the trail next to the Refuge de Vanesque - to possibly bivouac on the edge of Lac de Montagnette (see image below). Or did she bivouac at the summit of Pic de Sauvegarde on 22/11? Or just walk into a deep lake to end it all.
Anyhow, back to the idea that dear ED is at the bottom of a lake. I went back to topo maps and some web pics from the summit of Pic de Sauvegarde. Given the trajectory if ED fell from the back side of the col, would / could she have landed near the middle of the Boum de Vanesque? But without a trace of anything on the rock face?
On the topo map, I drew in two red lines - the left line would be the fall from the summit, the right line would be the fall from that steep descent from Port de Vanesque you talked about. And I have a picture of Boum Lake from the backside of the Pic de S summit. We've seen images like this before, but have we explored a fall from here?
Going back to RickshawFan's assessment that with ED's slim stature, her heavy pack, and the design of the pack, it could possibly topple her backwards in an accident. Or if she tried to retrieve a dropped phone... Or many other scenarios that might have put her in a precarious situation she could not recover from...
Sources:
Image #1: Sauvegarde / Salvaguardia
Image #2: Lakes "Boum du Port" : Photos, Diagrams & Topos : SummitPost
Actually, otto, I believe that caption in your photo of the cable system on way to Refuge de V refers to Pic de Sauvegarde - that has an altitude of 2738m. The cable must be much lower? So it would have been a 490m (1600f) fall from the summit of Pic de Sauvegarde (backside)... That makes more sense.... So what is the altitude of the cable?Just noticed something
That's a 500 m (1600 ft) drop. The switchbacks, including the cable system, are above the lake (see topo map)
- altitude cable system (see caption in photo) : 2738 m
- altitude Boum de Venasque : 2248 m
We can probably calculate her speed at the lake elevation - if she fell 500 m
"The higher any object starts falling from above Earth’s surface, the faster it’s traveling by the time it reaches the ground. Do you know why? The reason is gravity."
Acceleration Due to Gravity
Great find Muva! And very interesting indeed. It may confirm some of our theories about ED's state of mind... ED's relationship with DC... and her lack of food...
And... could LA (the person named in the story) be the mystery bespectacled person in a pic on the Esther and Dan FB page from 13/11 that I called out in my Thread #2, page 34, post #678?.... I was hoping she'd be identified and found, to help shed light on ED's state of being and whatever other information that person may have.
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=0024ea40070d69c16f0603c8a68acc60&oe=60169BD9
Anyone know what it would mean that the British police have now gotten involved with this case?
Actually, otto, I believe that caption in your photo of the cable system on way to Refuge de V refers to Pic de Sauvegarde - that has an altitude of 2738m. The cable must be much lower? So it would have been a 490m (1600f) fall from the summit of Pic de Sauvegarde (backside)... That makes more sense.... So what is the altitude of the cable?