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You're assuming that he is holding up his head. The photo shows only part of Jodi's foot. You can't see either of her arms. One of her hands could be grabbing TA's hair and lifting his head slightly up while the other could be lifting up his right arm. In her high adrenaline state, she may have tried to move him around at an awkward angle, but then she regained her focus and dragged him by the feet toward the shower stall.

Furthermore, the blood is clearly gushing from the neck area. Unlikely this amount of blood would be coming from the small gunshot wound or the knife wound to the chest. Also telling is the limp state of his foot. Most people just ignore it for some reason. But look at it -- it's in the kind of position that you would expect from a corpse. A conscious man who was lifting up his head and defending himself with his right arm would have feet pointed more toward the ceiling, not to the extreme sides. Try this out for yourself. Lay down on the floor flat and pretend that you're fighting off an attacker. Now note your feet. Your feet will respond to your torso movements, pointing the toes upward. Now just relax yourself. Your resting will cause your toes to point to the sides. This is also true for corpses.
Can you/anyone, please explain the point of JW's questions yesterday about whether Travis' head would remain upright after being shot? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered...I fell asleep before I could post the question last night. TIA
 
So, according to Travis' sister the jury will get the case on Monday? Does this mean the Judge changed the schedule again?
 
May 5th, I'll fast.
Man, we need that guilty verdict.
I am sick of Jodi and her art and her tweets, everything about her :banghead:

so am i,it seems she has had more rights that Travis throughout this whole trial when Travis is the victim in all this.

i have nothing but respect for this family,i would not have been so composed through all they have been through.With Juan at the helm i know Travis and his family will get the justice they deserve.
 
The jurors have to decide whether they believe the evidence or Jodi Arias. They cannot have it both ways. There is overwhelming evidence of premeditated murder in this case.

On the other hand, JA's version (#3) of events borders on insanity. It is the most ludicrous story I've ever been unfortunate enough to listen to. The best (or worst) part of this story is how Travis body slams her and then she rolls away. I'm surprised she didn't say she flew away.

Thanks for that rose, I laughed out loud and I needed to laugh. The one thing that gives me a chuckle in all of this is imagining how JA's version #3 came into being.

JA: I'm going to plead self-defense.

Nurmi: Then how do you explain multiple stab wounds in the back.

JA: I don't remember doing that.

Nurmi: (Guffaws) Like they'll believe that?

JA: Sure, I have amnesia--stress-induced from seeing a horrible murder.

Nurmi: But you committed the murder.

JA: They won't make that connection.

Nurmi: You can't be serious. Are you ok? You seem delusional.

JA: I AM NOT CRAZY AND I WILL NOT CLAIM ANY SUCH THING.

Nurmi: Ok, ok, but how about crime of passion?

JA: I wasn't there.

Nurmi: Hello? This is me, your attorney.

JA: Then I'd have to remember it.

Nurmi: Yes, but you can say you were in a red rage and only remember pieces.

JA: I like the pieces part. I was going to cut him into pieces, you know...but I chickened out like a little *****.

Nurmi: Listen to me. I don't want you ever to speak those words to anyone, you hear me.

JA: Too late. I told my cellie the whole story.

Nurmi: WHAT? Look- I will help you but only if you choose crime of passion. I haven't got a leg to stand on if you try to claim that you remember you were defending yourself and then forget everything else. That is ridiculous!

JA: You will do what I tell you.

Nurmi: I'm outta here.


But we know he could not get off the case and ended up with a truly ridiculous defense theory--one that he knew from the get go would never work... Now we are meeting last night and Arias demands that he file a motion requesting crime of passion be given to the jury as a possibility.

Nurmi's response: Anything you say.
 
Can you/anyone, please explain the point of JW's questions yesterday about whether Travis' head would remain upright after being shot? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered...I fell asleep before I could post the question last night. TIA

I think she wants to perpetuate the gun shot first theory and that it was not the fatal injury. Why? I have no clue other than to cast doubt on Dr. Horn's testimony and prove that she has knowledge of every profession under the sun.
 
I must admit, through this trial, I have had to look up more terms and phrases, and google more photos. I think I have brought my self pretty current. It's been fascinating in some ways, the religious aspect of it forced me to really delve into that and learn about those nuances...and his work to fully understand where everyone was coming from.

Ya, the whoredom thing comes from the Book of Mormon. But no Mormon I know uses it in ordinary conversation. It's almost like she is pretending to be a human being so she picks up these little quirks that are not quite right.
 
Thanks for that rose, I laughed out loud and I needed to laugh. The one thing that gives me a chuckle in all of this is imagining how JA's version #3 came into being.

JA: I'm going to plead self-defense.

Nurmi: Then how do you explain multiple stab wounds in the back.

JA: I don't remember doing that.

Nurmi: (Guffaws) Like they'll believe that?

JA: Sure, I have amnesia--stress-induced from seeing a horrible murder.

Nurmi: But you committed the murder.

JA: They won't make that connection.

Nurmi: You can't be serious. Are you ok? You seem delusional.

JA: I AM NOT CRAZY AND I WILL NOT CLAIM ANY SUCH THING.

Nurmi: Ok, ok, but how about crime of passion?

JA: I wasn't there.

Nurmi: Hello? This is me, your attorney.

JA: Then I'd have to remember it.

Nurmi: Yes, but you can say you were in a red rage and only remember pieces.

JA: I like the pieces part. I was going to cut him into pieces, you know...but I chickened out like a little *****.

Nurmi: Listen to me. I don't want you ever to speak those words to anyone, you hear me.

JA: Too late. I told my cellie the whole story.

Nurmi: WHAT? Look- I will help you but only if you choose crime of passion. I haven't got a leg to stand on if you try to claim that you remember you were defending yourself and then forget everything else. That is ridiculous!

JA: You will do what I tell you.

Nurmi: I'm outta here.


But we know he could not get off the case and ended up with a truly ridiculous defense theory--one that he knew from the get go would never work... Now we are meeting last night and Arias demands that he file a motion requesting crime of passion be given to the jury as a possibility.

Nurmi's response: Anything you say.

LOL. You know it's funny but I think this is pretty much what happened.
 
Also, the Anna Nicole Smith judge looks and sounds like a bald version of Fonzie. MOO
 
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Hi, I know the jury decides the penalty. I am pretty sure the Judge can change if he/she wants to but usually they dont. :seeya:

My understanding is it's the judge in AZ.
'In 1973, following the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Furman v. Georgia, the Arizona State Legislature enacted A.R.S. § 13–454, setting forth the state's procedures for death penalty cases. The statute provided for a separate sentencing hearing to be held before the trial court, rather than a jury, and enumerated six aggravating circumstances that could be considered in deciding whether to impose a death sentence. Between 1978 and 1993, the Legislature codified four additional aggravating circumstances.'
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Arizona"]Capital punishment in Arizona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I also found this so I'm confused??

Sentencing Phase
Prior to August, 2002, sentencing was handled entirely by the trial judge without jury input. The
prosecutor presented evidence regarding statutory aggravating circumstances and the defense presented
evidence of mitigating circumstances. (The prosecutor could also present evidence of mitigation.) The
trial court was also permitted to consider “victim impact” evidence. At the conclusion of the evidence,
the trial judge issued a Special Verdict, detailing findings regarding aggravating and mitigating
circumstances, and setting forth the sentence to be imposed.
With the enactment of Arizona’s new death penalty statute, the sentencing process now has two phases.
In the first phase, the prosecutor presents evidence relating to aggravating circumstances. If the jury
determines that the State has not established at least one statutory aggravating circumstance, the
defendant is no longer subject to the death penalty. The jury is dismissed and the trial judge decides the
appropriate sentence. If the jury finds that there is at least one aggravating circumstance, the jury
remains empaneled and considers any mitigating evidence presented by the defense or by the State, as
well as victim impact evidence. The jurors then decide whether to impose a death sentence, assessing
whether the proffered mitigation is sufficiently substantial to warrant leniency.

https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/sites/all/docs/Criminal/ccc/Final-CapPun.pdf
 
CAUTION: If you are a current juror in an ongoing trial, you should NOT be discussing it with ANYBODY --- including HERE!

I may have dangled a modifier or otherwise written that post in a confusing manner: Years ago, on the day the CA trial verdict was announced, I was a juror on an unrelated trial, in a different state. Neither then nor now, would I or did I discuss any particulars of the trial on which I juried with anyone, including my fellow jurors, except for that time in which we were sent to deliberate.
 
And drink awkwardly with her left hand too.

Great observation! She mimicks. Many left handed people curl their hand around in a strange way to ensure that cursive writing has the correct forward slant. It almost looks like they're writing upside down.

It's almost like she has decided that left handed people always curl their hand around in an odd way with everything they do ... perhaps that's why she does the weird hand curl when drinking water with her left.

I'm left handed. I curl my hand for cursive writing, and drink water just like everyone else.

What a weird creature she is!
 
I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong thread.

Isn't this Jodi's ex boyfriend Bobby Juarez?
http://m.myspace.com/home.wap?bfd=webnext&isredirected=true#friends.list/alb/108063395/495843

lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/bobby_juarez


I seriously got chills after seeing the knife and the black socks in one photo!! He really is a creepy guy!! From what I've read, he now lives in Hawaii. Anyone know when he moved there? I'm interested as to why we haven't seen this guy in court?? Could he have helped Jodi in some way?


Also, there are some weird youtube videos of some chick claiming that she is Bobbies ex & he's blackmailing her or something?? I don't know, I guess he was abusive towards her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLiFyta_6nE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
I found it and thank you. How sad, I know the moms boyfriend was a suspect. Are they still together and is he still thee suspect? Poor child god rest her sweet soul.

That article implies that the mom seems to, at the very least, know something.
 
I may have dangled a modifier or otherwise written that post in a confusing manner: Years ago, on the day the CA trial verdict was announced, I was a juror on an unrelated trial, in a different state. Neither then nor now, would I or did I discuss any particulars of the trial on which I juried with anyone, including my fellow jurors, except for that time in which we were sent to deliberate.

I wonder if Nurmi was right about the JA jury. I wonder if they do watch tv coverage of it. I know they're not supposed to, and I have no reason to suspect that they are violating the judges order, but I still wonder. I guess I mainly wonder because I think it would be almost impossible to resist if it were me. Which is why I could never be on a jury like this
 
Wouldn't it be nice if they could harvest her organs before putting her to death? Giving someone who is good and kind a much needed extension of life? Those organs could do a lot of good.

Oh no! That would just feed her ego and make her live on! I don't think anyone should use her organs or anything! Every cell in that body is evil. She won't be good even as manure.
 
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