State rests rebuttal case - thread #170

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Originally Posted by Hopeful One:
Did anyone notice Jodi feeling up her own cleavage at one point late in the day yesterday? It was disturbing.

Uh, yeah I did . Creepy - She going to her next to last resort desperate ploy - sex? After that she murders.

 

[Jane Jetson]

I knew who it was til you posted it. As a matter of fact Mr Red and I were discussing this last night. We have a family member who, although she has not perpetuated such a heinous crime, a lot of her true self has been revealed and she has transformed in looks in a little over year.I truly believe that true evil can show physically .

The only way she was able to slither into Travis' life is because she was able to hide it for so long. Maybe now JA knows, consciously or not, that she's doomed, and so doesn't even bother to try.

 

[Sweetiemom]

Good Morning, Y'all! It feesl like I have sand under my eyelids-hope I can stay awake through jury instructions and closings. It stormed all night here-high winds and hail beating on the windows so I didn't get much sleep!

 

[rose222]

Lang: I'm gonna bust you up
Rocky: Go for it

Arias: If you don't take this 2nd degree deal, I'm gonna destroy Travis' reputation
Juan: Go for it (and try)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7CaiWxKYBo

Juan is Travis' sothpaw!!
You got this Juan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm3ijDdtKKM

Just like Mickey guided Rocky....
I like to think Travis guided Juan the last 5 years and now Juan will honor Travis one more time today during his closing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzZzpsJcp9Y

Justice for Travis Victor Alexander
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Just what I need today. Rocky! Thanks!

 

[GoAskAllie]

morning!

trying to catch up! after reading comments last night, i had to watched to the State's last witness. i had stopped watching b/c by that point i was just so fried i couldn't take anymore in.

The last witness (i'm bad for not being able to recall her name) completely supported Dr. DeMarte's testimony, and the icing on the cake was that she made wilmont look like a vindictive idiot. moreover, it was clear from her testimony--especially while Juan was questioning her--that she was not rehearsed in any way, and that for me significantly added to her credibility and showed she had no bias.

but damn, she schooled wilmont more than any other witness on the stand and it was a pleasure to watch and a great way for the state to rest its case.

if jury instructions are relatively short i'll likely miss the beginning of Juan's closing arguements. but hey, if i just tune into HLN, i probably won't miss a thing!

You nailed the awesomeness of Dr. Jill Hayes' testimony. What a close for Juan Martinez & Justice for Travis. Of course, if you had been on these boards last night, then you would have seen a number of people expressing concern/panic/displeasure about Dr. Hayes and/or JM's decision to call her. By the end of her testimony, those in that camp readily admitted their rush to judgment mistake. Hayes was total knockout, IMO.

 

[Hopeful One]

I still can't believe the DT felt it was wise to have this psychologist testify about the ME's findings. Why not use another medical examiner for that?

I don't think they're too bright. Seriously.

 

[Nali87]

Is Juan allowed to show pictures or videos of a living Travis or would that be considered against trial rules? (Because they weren't entered as evidence or maybe because they can be considered "sentimental" and deemed to work against JA' favour).

I know it'll happen during penalty phase but I wish it was possible to make him even more real for the jurors.

 

[SusieD]

When the question regarding the ME only seeing dead persons was read my immediate reaction was HA HA great snarky question (good for prosecution), a nano second later, I thought NO terrible question (good for the defense). My thought was that someone on that jury was buying into the defense. This juror was really asking DH, how would you know what the immediate reaction of this gunshot to the brain would be since you only deal with dead persons. Later when JW asked DH if he had done research in frontal lobe injuries and DH replied thaat he has not, really made me nervous.

When I heard the question I thought of this, which happened to be circulating around my facebook friends just last week. It's old stuff, but perhaps a juror read it (which would not be in violation of any admonition)

there is an exchange between a not-so-bright lawyer (it may remind you of someone in this case) and a ME about a third of the way down

http://lawvibe.com/the-stupidest-things-lawyers-and-witnesses-say-in-a-court-of-law/

 

[Rocco]

I don't think she'll react but I hope, hope, hope you're right and she does. I would love to see a major meltdown. I mean come on, we've waited FOUR MONTHS for this. Can't we get something out of her?? Just to show us she's suffering. I don't think that's too much to ask for.

I think she'll just look at the jury, smile and say cheese when the verdict is read. She wouldn't want to ruin her reputation before the sentencing phase. Once her sentence is read though---watch out !!!!!!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Do you have any ideas what all that might entail ?

I just keep seeing this angry, mumbling person staring down every juror and giving JM the old middle finger salute. Perhaps she'll just cry and faint away into the fog.

I can imagine a few different scenarios.

* Fainting or collapsing when the GUILTY verdict is read :dramaqueen:

* Throwing a major hissy fit because things didn't go her way. Giving her DT a WTF! look and perhaps even reaching out to hit or shake one or both of them :stormingmad:

* Any type of aggressive movement might set off the stun belt - then we'll really see the sparks fly

* My favorite reaction would be having Jodi shout to the jury, "I said that no jury would ever convict me!" followed by some obscenities and cursing the jurors for having gotten it wrong

 

[SunnyinMO]

This is a terrible confession, but I will make it. I have spent the last few months seriously hoping I would get to see exactly how effective Jodi's stun belt is...:floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: welcome to my world of thoughts!!

 

[Harmony 2]

Getting prepared for when court opens…

Shower

Laptop (cookies cleared)

Drink

Snack (toblerone chocolate)

Fan (in case I get hot under the collar during defense closing)

Food prepped

House semi- clean (very semi!!)

Hammer (for moments of frustration)

Do you guys think I have it covered?

 

[zaza]

You really think the person should be fired though?? They're only human! I would hate to think that I could NEVER make a mistake in my job without getting fired.

ETA: Also, should the person who didn't catch the typo be fired too? Should everyone who read it and didn't catch it be fired?

Yes, fired. Accurate transcription and typing skills are imperative to the job. These "mistakes" could lose the case, cost the ME his job, I mean, you don't know the serious repercussions that can and will now follow because of it. Accuracy is part of the job.

 

[Veritas_Vita]

Apparently she's been running for quite some time. How exhausting it all sounds.

How was Daryl Brewer a stepping stone?

She used him and his credit to purchase that house and she knew she couldn't keep up with her half of the mortgage. She met Travis, then dumps DB 4 days later and they begin to sleep in seperate rooms. She left him holding the debt (how will she pay it back now?)

Also, for a man she supposedly loved for 4 years - she sure didn't mind calling him an alcoholic on the stand. She used him for the gas cans as well. Now DB was dragged into her mess and even his son's name is now public.

 

[leebee52]

Another thing I kept wondering about as far as JA suffering "trauma".....how come no one said the supposed trauma came from KILLING TRAVIS and then freaking out of the fact that she was caught.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Hi Anagrammy, I'm your neighbor. Love dropping in at the Kona Lounge to grab an adult beverage and watch the Oakland A's on the big teevee. And of course Fenton's Creamery when I can get in. Haven't been in recently tho, who can wait 2 hours?!

Do you remember the great ice cream parlor on Grand Ave ? And there was another really great one on Solano Ave in Berkeley.

 

[LaLaw2000]

D@mn, TexMex those huevos look good. Morning everyone. Feeling good today, Juan's Closing Argument on my bday! :seeya:

O/T:

:bdsong:

 

[Nali87]

I can imagine a few different scenarios.

* Fainting or collapsing when the GUILTY verdict is read :dramaqueen:

* Throwing a major hissy fit because things didn't go her way. Giving her DT a WTF! look and perhaps even reaching out to hit or shake one or both of them :stormingmad:

* Any type of aggressive movement might set off the stun belt - then we'll really see the sparks fly

* My favorite reaction would be having Jodi shout to the jury, "I said that no jury would ever convict me!" followed by some obscenities and cursing the jurors for having gotten it wrong

I think she'll either remain very calm or start crying. No temper tantrums because she still has to beg them to spare her life.

 

[Clue Finder 55]

I don't see how that's even possible. JA got on the stand and lied. The entire DT opening statement remains unproven. The defendant has admitted to the killing and yet a typo will hang the jury??
How can JA be believed because the ME failed to insert the word not in a lengthy report? Even if TA did lunge at her and say 'Kill you b*tch' while somehow not bleeding from a head wound, how does that justify her not running away to safety as opposed to hunting down a knife deadly enough to sever his throat?
And then there's the dozen or more defensive wounds to his hands and back which can't be explained away by the ME's omission of a single word.

Travis is still dead and JA still admitted to killing him in 3 different ways. It is possible to die of a head injury that leaves the membranes surrounding the brain intact and it happens everyday on highways all over the country.

The ME’s statement in the autopsy report that the “dura mater” was in tact is understandable but technically in error. After cutting the skull and exposing the brain the pathologist's first view is the brain enclosed by the dura mater. At that stage of the autopsy the dura is indeed in tact. At this juncture the ME could comment about the presence or absence of a hemispheric subdural or epidural hematoma.

It is only after lifting the brain out of the calvarial vault can one see the injury to the under-surface of the right frontal lobe. Horn was correct in stating a bullet wound to the right forehead will of necessity cause dural injury at the point of bullet entry.
This technicality is a source of embarrassment but not fatal.
Conversely if the dura were totally categorically in tact the gunshot into TA head would have been miraculous. This means that the gunshot fragment would have entered the right frontal fossa, then glanced off of the right frontal dura, then passed parallel along the right frontal bone inner table, then curved around the right frontal lobe, then dived out of the skull near midline at the cribiform plate.

Finally I have argued since this case began in January that the ONLY valid medical expert testimony that goes to the question of the clinical effect of a gunshot wound to the forehead would be a trauma neurosurgeon. Pathologists do NOT treat or manage gunshot wounds to the head EVER. A pathologist really is in NO position to opine about the clinical effects of a gunshot wound to the brain since he does NOT treat or manage gunshot wounds to the head. Horn expressed the common knowledge that bullet fragments tend to tumble as they traverse brain substance and cause concussive shock waves that ripple out and away from the bullet track. It is the neurosurgeon who deals with all sorts of gunshot wounds to the head that wind up being nonfatal.

It really dosen't matter if the gunshot wound to the head would be fatal or not.
It's weather in the immediate seconds after the bullet traveled through the skull a person would have instant motor function or would be able to verbalise anything.
You have to remember we are talking in seconds here as to weather or not Jodis story about how the murder happend was true or not.
It would be highly unlikely at best that Travis would have been able to chase after Jodi or say to her( kill you b+++h ) immediately after having a bullet travel through his skull.
This would have been very traumatic to his brain and functions.
He may have lived if that was his only injury but that is not the point.
The point is if he could have functioned after being shot.

 

[Linda From New York]

I'm curious as to what you all think Jodi's reaction will be when they read the verdict. I remember Scott Peterson just sitting there stone faced. Very telling. If I were wrongly convicted of 1st degree murder I'd be hysterical.

I'm kind of expecting Jodi to have the same reaction - she won't want to give the jury the satisfaction of breaking down in front of them. Or will she?

I'm leaning toward her sitting there with no expression on her face, then glaring at the jury as they leave.

I think she will cry...for herself.

If it is is 2nd degree or less...she will have that smirk of hers. The "dupers delight" smile.