State v. Bradley Cooper 3-29-11

[Albert]

I had in my timeline a chunk of time for googling for dump site. Is that what you think this is? I would think googling for a dump site would take longer than one minute @2:32. Would we know if the "data" transfer was happening over a period of several minutes? Or do we know that that is not the case? Do we know how much data? That does seem odd from an 'innocent' perspective...did he receive a push email at that time (or any other automated data transfer)? But even from a 'guilty' perspective, what could he have accomplished in that amount of time/data?

Being computer literate I would imagine BC smart enough not to use any gear traceable to him when searching for dump sites. I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that this dump site was known to BC. It is close to his home and it is the site of a Toll Brothers new development. It has been mentioned before that the Coopers were looking at Toll Brother developments.

 

[borndem]

Go Kurtz!!!

Yeah, wish he would...
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(the devil:nono: made me do this! please forgive...)

 

[ncsu95]

At the same time I wonder if it is telling that the defense did not probe the TWC records. They could have simply had the detective read the entries as they relate to that Saturday morning. The defense could have then and there provided reasonable doubt to the calls that are alleged to have originated from the home phone.

They were never offered into evidence, so I don't think they are allowed to.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Ok Here's a question...

If Brad came home with the milk and then left again to buy detergent, why did he then take Katie upstairs to give her a bottle when he returned home from HT the 2nd time?

Wouldn't Nancy have given her the bottle while he was out buying detergent?

I thought about that too. I believe his testimony is that when he came back from HT with the detergent, he took Katie upstairs to finish the bottle. I would have thought that Katie would have finished the bottle before he returned home.

 

[ncsu95]

At the same time I wonder if it is telling that the defense did not probe the TWC records. They could have simply had the detective read the entries as they relate to that Saturday morning. The defense could have then and there provided reasonable doubt to the calls that are alleged to have originated from the home phone.

She was 2 years old. She didn't have to be fed a bottle. Maybe she was downstairs drinking the bottle when he got home from HT, and he took her upstairs to see if he could get her to go back to bed. NC was supposedly doing laundry at this time.

 

[Tink56]

Maybe I should start a separate thread, but not sure, so just putting inline here.

My profile: this is my first post and first trial watching on WS. Married 20 years (happily). Wife is stay at-home-mom for two school-age daughters. Live in Apex. Work at a tech company in RTP.

My interest in the NC trial: Hoping our justice and legal system isn’t making (another) big mistake. Hoping an innocent man’s life isn’t ruined.
Snipped for space...

Welcome to the forum...I have been reading the forum since the summer of 2008; I've followed numerous trials since 2002, sometimes I've been a much more frequent poster than I've been on WS's; and, I am interested in the comments you made in your initial post.

What are the big mistakes you feel the justice and legal system have made that would be analogous to this particular trial? To which innocent men are you referring? It does appear that you have had a negative experience with LE or the justice sytem, if you can or will share.

TIA

 

[SleuthinNC]

I would have been on board (probably yesterday) except for the Detective pointing out that there was very little time involved between the trips.

I don't think it so much matters how much time it took for the second trip. I can't see a scenario where parents are trying to console a child at the wee hours of the morning, finally dad makes a trip to pick up milk for a bottle, dad brings the milk home but mom doesn't give the bottle and instead waits until dad comes home again?

Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I thought about that too. I believe his testimony is that when he came back from HT with the detergent, he took Katie upstairs to finish the bottle. I would have thought that Katie would have finished the bottle before he returned home.

Was that his testimony? Ugh I don't want to listen to it again lol. Prosecution opening made me think about it again.

 

[SleuthinNC]

They were never offered into evidence, so I don't think they are allowed to.

The TWC records were entered into evidence today. I believe they will be discussed along with probably the Cisco phone records as well when the expert testimony around the phone calls continues.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Was that his testimony? Ugh I don't want to listen to it again lol. Prosecution opening made me think about it again.

It was somewhere in the testimony of JY. He was retelling the timeline given to them by BC when they were talking to him but I'm not sure which day or where to find it.

 

[NCEast]

I thought about that too. I believe his testimony is that when he came back from HT with the detergent, he took Katie upstairs to finish the bottle. I would have thought that Katie would have finished the bottle before he returned home.

Well, the child was old enough to give herself/hold the bottle after the milk was placed into it. So with all of this added together, the entire thing makes little sense.

 

[Albert]

Ok Here's a question...

If Brad came home with the milk and then left again to buy detergent, why did he then take Katie upstairs to give her a bottle when he returned home from HT the 2nd time?

Wouldn't Nancy have given her the bottle while he was out buying detergent?

Yes, BC comes home with milk, makes the bottle and gives it to Katie and NC. BC then goes to the store, back home 15 minutes later. Is it possible that the bottle was not finished within 15 minutes. I have forgotten how long it takes a young child to finish a bottle.

 

[NCEast]

Yes, BC comes home with milk, makes the bottle and gives it to Katie and NC. BC then goes to the store, back home 15 minutes later. Is it possible that the bottle was not finished within 15 minutes. I have forgotten how long it takes a young child to finish a bottle.

She was 2 at the time IIRC and she didn't need for either of them to 'give' her the bottle as in holding her like an infant. And if so, I think she would have finished it in 15 minutes. I think this is just more BS from Brad in a moment of panic when he couldn't think clearly.
It's this type of little thing/comment/issue that makes me think he's guilty as heck. The things that keep adding up.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Well, the child was old enough to give herself/hold the bottle after the milk was placed into it. So with all of this added together, the entire thing makes little sense.

True but I can understand a parent holding the child while they drink the bottle if the child is upset. What I can't see is it taking 10 minutes for a 2 year old to finish a bottle. The detective indicated at least 4 minutes one way. That's an 8 minute round trip. He was in the store for 3 minutes so 11 minutes minimum from the time he left the house until the time he returned.

 

[jmflu]

Wow. So you don't want anyone contributing that hasn't been watching for the past 3 years? At this point, it's impossible to read up on all the threads and watch all the footage. I'm sorry I have disappointed you with my research, thoughts, and opinions that I have formed up to this point. You have my permission to ignore my posts from now on.

I didn't say that. There are questions that seem to get asked every day. All one has to do is go back a day or two to see that. It just makes moving forward a thing that one has to weed through the redundancies to get to.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Yes, BC comes home with milk, makes the bottle and gives it to Katie and NC. BC then goes to the store, back home 15 minutes later. Is it possible that the bottle was not finished within 15 minutes. I have forgotten how long it takes a young child to finish a bottle.

A 2 year old can finish a bottle in like 2 minutes unless it is a Big Gulp. In my experience if you are trying to give a bottle to get the child back to sleep you take them and the bottle to a bed or at least a chair next to the bed so as they fall asleep you can pop them into the bed.

 

[less0305]

So what was BC trying to do with her to avoid being suspected of the murder? If he planned/covered up/cleaned everything else so perfectly, with the phone calls, the alibi, the clean garage/car/dress/etc. Why be so sloppy with the body? Wouldn't he be trying to setup the scene so it looked like someone else? He would know without semen it wouldn't look like a sexual assault. He would know with earrings that it wouldn't look like a robbery. What could he have been thinking? I'm not asking rhetorically, honestly looking for plausible answers.

I think he did setup the scene to look like someone else. He hastily put a sports bra on her body without any other clothing to make it appear to be a rape/murder victim. I think Mr. Brad had no intention of her body being found even as soon as it was. First of all, I don't think he had any intention of the police becoming involved on Saturday. He made no attempt to call police or hospitals or anything regarding Nancy not coming back from a run. Heck, he didn't even return a call FROM a police officer that afternoon. I think he thought he'd wait at least the obligatory 24 hour waiting period and maybe he'd sashay over to the local police department with two children in tow and half-heartedly tell them his wife hadn't returned home from a run. Then sit back and wait, hoping it was days and days in the hot July temperatures, before her body was found in an extreme state of decay and decomposition.

Because his children were asleep at home and because he came up with the jogging story, he had to dump her relatively close. I think he thought it was a brilliant plan. I believe he believes he's smarter than your average bear, not realizing that he was making some mistakes along the way. I think grabbing two left shoes was his first critical mistake - and he was in such a hurry he didn't even notice it until much later - until it was too late. I think he fully intended to remove the earrings, but just got caught up and lost in all the things to do that he forgot them. And I bet he was kicking himself later when he realized he'd forgotten to take the earrings.

That's just my speculation of course. I think BC is a very intelligent man in some areas, and I think he's one huge doofus in others. Smart enough to earn an MBA and program advanced technology and a whiz at gadgetry - just not smart enough to get in out of the rain - as we say in the south, bless his heart.

 

[RTPEngineer]

Welcome to the forum...I have been reading the forum since the summer of 2008; I've followed numerous trials since 2002, sometimes I've been a much more frequent poster than I've been on WS's; and, I am interested in the comments you made in your initial post.

What are the big mistakes you feel the justice and legal system have made that would be analogous to this particular trial? To which innocent men are you referring? It does appear that you have had a negative experience with LE or the justice sytem, if you can or will share.

TIA

Nothing specifically analogous to this trial. Just recent coverage of North Carolina's SBI lab errors and Greg Taylor's exoneration. I haven't followed that as closely, so maybe I am jumping to unwarranted conclusions. No, no negative experiences - just a casual observer. And as I said in my post, I hope he is guilty and that solid evidence is yet to be presented.

 

[ncsu95]

The TWC records were entered into evidence today. I believe they will be discussed along with probably the Cisco phone records as well when the expert testimony around the phone calls continues.

I don't believe they were actually entered. He started to talk about them, then stopped, then never mentioned them again.

 

[ncsu95]

Yes, BC comes home with milk, makes the bottle and gives it to Katie and NC. BC then goes to the store, back home 15 minutes later. Is it possible that the bottle was not finished within 15 minutes. I have forgotten how long it takes a young child to finish a bottle.

It depends on the child. My 2 year old can drink on a sippy cup for a long time.