Stranger abduction theory

[Donjeta]

And, where was Kyron's backpack? Wasn't it left in the classroom? Why would Terri take him and not take his backpack? On the other hand, a 'stranger' might not know about nor be bothered by the existence of a backpack.

IMO the backpack doesn't really say anything at all about who did it.

If Terri had taken Kyron out of the school for the rest of the day e.g. for a doctor's appointment, openly and above board she would naturally have taken his backpack, or made sure Kyron took it. If she planned to bring him back she might not have bothered with the backpack.

But if she had any sort of shady plan in mind she wouldn't have taken the backpack because Kyron wouldn't be needing his backpack since he wasn't going to come back in the class on Monday. Also, if the backpack was left in the classroom the teacher or the other people in the classroom could have seen Terri and/or Kyron picking up the backpack and remembered it later or asked questions about where they were going. The backpack left in the classroom is evidence for "he was supposed to be at school, somebody must have abducted him from there", or even "he may have been distracted and wandered off, look he left his coat and backpack". If she had taken the backpack the more likely interpretation would have been that Kyron left with somebody he knew who cared about his getting his homework done.

The same reasons apply if it's a stranger abduction, plus he might not even have known where Kyron's backpack was and what it looked like and a stranger wouldn't have dared to draw attention to himself appearing to steal a child's backpack.

IMO anybody with criminal intentions would have left the backpack because there was nothing there that they would need later and because it was too dangerous to retrieve it from a classroom with people in it. And because it was one less item to carry and worry about destroying or being caught with.

 

[citigirl]

IMO the backpack doesn't really say anything at all about who did it.

If Terri had taken Kyron out of the school for the rest of the day e.g. for a doctor's appointment, openly and above board she would naturally have taken his backpack, or made sure Kyron took it. If she planned to bring him back she might not have bothered with the backpack.

But if she had any sort of shady plan in mind she wouldn't have taken the backpack because Kyron wouldn't be needing his backpack since he wasn't going to come back in the class on Monday. Also, if the backpack was left in the classroom the teacher or the other people in the classroom could have seen Terri and/or Kyron picking up the backpack and remembered it later or asked questions about where they were going. The backpack left in the classroom is evidence for "he was supposed to be at school, somebody must have abducted him from there", or even "he may have been distracted and wandered off, look he left his coat and backpack". If she had taken the backpack the more likely interpretation would have been that Kyron left with somebody he knew who cared about his getting his homework done.

The same reasons apply if it's a stranger abduction, plus he might not even have known where Kyron's backpack was and what it looked like and a stranger wouldn't have dared to draw attention to himself appearing to steal a child's backpack.

IMO anybody with criminal intentions would have left the backpack because there was nothing there that they would need later and because it was too dangerous to retrieve it from a classroom with people in it. And because it was one less item to carry and worry about destroying or being caught with.

My thought about the backpack was--if it is gone, it is more likely he went with Terri, thinking he wasn't coming back that day. If it was left anything is possible.

 

[cluciano63]

My thought about the backpack was--if it is gone, it is more likely he went with Terri, thinking he wasn't coming back that day. If it was left anything is possible.

I agree; if Terri told Kyron to meet her at the south door, i.e., he probably would have run and grabbed his backpack just because kids seem to want their "stuff" with them. Unless she had specifically told him not to get it, that he would be coming back. I think it would have been risky, with a 7-yr old, however to not expect the child to tell someone he was not going to be in class that day. Kids tend to tell a friend anything out of the ordinary, i.e. I'm going with my (step) mom today and don't have to go to class, yipee, kind of thing.

 

[liz b.]

I agree; if Terri told Kyron to meet her at the south door, i.e., he probably would have run and grabbed his backpack just because kids seem to want their "stuff" with them. Unless she had specifically told him not to get it, that he would be coming back. I think it would have been risky, with a 7-yr old, however to not expect the child to tell someone he was not going to be in class that day. Kids tend to tell a friend anything out of the ordinary, i.e. I'm going with my (step) mom today and don't have to go to class, yipee, kind of thing.

IIRC, TH did say in one of her emails that Kyron's jacket was also left in the classroom. Since it was raining that a.m. IMO he would have taken it if he was going to meet TH outside. ITA about Kyron telling a classmate he was going to be gone that day. Especially his deskmate, TP.....

All JMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

When I think about it, there must have been an appointment for some date.Otherwise, TH would not have had any chance of being convincing ( assuming her involvement, which I doubt). Interesting...

About the truck ; if they had impounded it right away, and found a few spots of fresh blood, that would have been an excellent point for LE to start an interrogation of TH. Imagine : your stepson goes missing, AND his blood drops are found in your truck. Her story would have began to crumble ,IMO....

I agree somewhat about the SAR. The two mile radius is consistent with a predator dumping a body, IMO

Thanks for your thoughtful post...

All JMO

Fresh blood is really easy to test for and would take less than an hour to carry out in a vehicle.

I think it is pretty likely that the Horman truck was examined early on and found to have no evidentiary value. The FBI, in particular, really specialises in processing for trace evidence and I can't imagine them just forgetting to check the Horman truck.

I think it is much more likely that the Horman truck was quietly impounded for a couple hours in the first 24 hours and investigators discovered nothing suspicious in it. No point in holding it further and it would be an unnecessary financial hardship for the family if they did so.

 

[Billylee]

WTH, no parole, no monitoring?!!! I hope they at least know where he was June 4th.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/stor...rous-sex-offender/KwgLzjQAzUWIx7qfJ7iKVg.cspx

 

[Kat010]

WTH, no parole, no monitoring?!!! I hope they at least know where he was June 4th.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/stor...rous-sex-offender/KwgLzjQAzUWIx7qfJ7iKVg.cspx

Good catch. I had posted about another SO, a multiple offender, also a transient, in the Portland area who may have been on the loose--and untracked and wanted.

A search for SOs in Oregon and Portland yields some scary results. And those are the ones who are currently on LE's radar and they know (approximately in some cases) where they are.

Then there's the sexual predator who grabs in one area, then moves on to another, and another, and another.

 

[Kat010]

In another thread, I just posted about one of the first children ever featured on a milk carton--a little boy who went missing 31 years ago. His parents learned he was missing when he failed to return home from school. He was nabbed while walking to the bus stop. Later a sexual predator living in a nearby drainpipe was found to have multiple photos of small boys, many that looked like the missing child. He also had attempted to get little boys into his drainpipe.

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[Morag]

I think that if a stranger abduction, a third party who Kyron knew, like a friend's parent or older sibling, may have an easier time getting him out but I think a complete stranger could have done it too. Predators lurk in places where they think they could find a target. That's why RSOs are not supposed to live around schools...(snip).

Which reminds me- pedophiles often seem to choose professions or activities which will bring them near their targets. So any employee of the school, or of the various entities who serve the school, deliveries, etc...could be a person who has deliberately chosen to work near or with children, but for nefarious purposes. All the school doors were unlocked that day, allowing anyone to go in at anytime, and to leave at any carefully-chosen time. Remember the so-called 'creepy guy' who was supposedly mentioned on fb? Sorry to reference a myth, but there could have been someone just like that there, whether he/she was creepy looking or not.

I didn't initially think this was a stranger abduction, but now I am leaning toward that theory.

 

[Jade2010]

WTH, no parole, no monitoring?!!! I hope they at least know where he was June 4th.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/stor...rous-sex-offender/KwgLzjQAzUWIx7qfJ7iKVg.cspx

My God, and we tell children there are no such thing as monsters.

 

[Kat010]

It is, give or take, a mere 20 miles from Vancouver, Washington to Skyline School.

As of April 2010, there were 230 known registered sex offenders in Vancouver, giving a ratio of 1 in every 710 Vancouver residents is a sex offender.

Really.

http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Vancouver-Washington.html

 

[Kat010]

And here's a list of known predatory sex offenders from the Multnomah County Department of Community Justice

http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Publ...D&ct=de45aae168ba0110VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD

 

[Calliope]

WTH, no parole, no monitoring?!!! I hope they at least know where he was June 4th.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/stor...rous-sex-offender/KwgLzjQAzUWIx7qfJ7iKVg.cspx

In the first incident, in September of 1981, in Santa Barbara County, California, Rasmuson was convicted of sodomizing an 11-year-old boy.

Police reports and court documents show the victim was on his way to football practice when Rasmuson lured him into a drainage ditch with a story of helping Rasmuson look for a lost dog.

Rasmuson was sentenced to prison and then released in 1985.

In 1987 Rasmuson was arrested for abducting a 3 year old boy from Los Angeles before sexually assaulting him.

In that case the young victim was found the next day wandering in an area 25 miles from where he was taken.


He served less than 4 years for raping the 11 year old boy.

I'll pay higher taxes. You can build it in my backyard. I don't care whatever it takes.

 

[Calliope]

It is, give or take, a mere 20 miles from Vancouver, Washington to Skyline School.

As of April 2010, there were 230 known registered sex offenders in Vancouver, giving a ratio of 1 in every 710 Vancouver residents is a sex offender.

Really.

http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Vancouver-Washington.html

And here's a list of known predatory sex offenders from the Multnomah County Department of Community Justice

http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Publ...D&ct=de45aae168ba0110VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD

And those are just the ones who've been caught.

Video:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Exposing-the-Pedophile-Playbook-94891204.html


Child advocacy groups say child molesters will hurt an average of 117 victims.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

There is still this guy I feel they should look into.

http://beavertonpolice.org/publications/press2010/Updategpsa.pdf

 

[cluciano63]

How can any parole board release a monster who rapes children? What is their justification? How can they sleep? This is worse than the defense attorneys who represent them. Or were the laws so terribly weak that they had no choice?

We just had an arrest here today, of an RSO from CA, "visiting" NM, who had downloaded 1000+ child *advertiser censored* images from library computer...he had served time in CA for other offenses...they do not recover from being an SO

 

[GrainneDhu]

How can any parole board release a monster who rapes children? What is their justification? How can they sleep? This is worse than the defense attorneys who represent them. Or were the laws so terribly weak that they had no choice?

SBM

The parole board had nothing to do with it. This guy had served out his sentence and was therefore released from prison.

There are some states that have laws to allow for civil commitment for violent offenders after they have served out their prison sentences. This sounds good except that the states that have them seem to pretty much uniformly wish they hadn't passed them; the civil commitment facilities are a huge budget drain, every such program in the US has had major, ongoing problems with security and the success rate is so low that they are at constant risk of being ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

 

[Astrella613]

What I would like to see, uniform law in every state:

Rape a child = Life sentance

I am willing to pay my extra share of taxes to keep them in jail for life.

 

[kappy50]

Stranger abduction...I've always thought a possibility.....Maybe Kyron goes down the stairs and "See's" someone at the door that wants in because the weather may be unfavorible.There were a lot of folks there at the time, and possibility some construction folks, posted long ago by ...Kyron let's whomever in out of sure innocence and ...there ya go.... now did that particular door lock from the outside , I do not know...I am just trying to look outside the box...that's all...nothing else has led us any closer to my knowledge....I do not know who is guilty or innocent...right now...finding Kyron supercedes my thoughts...

 

[BeanE]

Stranger abduction...I've always thought a possibility.....Maybe Kyron goes down the stairs and "See's" someone at the door that wants in because the weather may be unfavorible.There were a lot of folks there at the time, and possibility some construction folks, posted long ago by ...Kyron let's whomever in out of sure innocence and ...there ya go.... now did that particular door lock from the outside , I do not know...I am just trying to look outside the box...that's all...nothing else has led us any closer to my knowledge....I do not know who is guilty or innocent...right now...finding Kyron supercedes my thoughts...

Except it turns out that all the doors were unlocked that day. Billylee posted the news article just today that's the source for the info, but I can't remember which thread.

Maybe Kyron saw the flower bed kids outside and went out to see what they were doing outside.