Stranger abduction theory

[Nikolai]

I just find it so unlikely that nobody else would see Kyron in the school after Terry last saw him walking to his class. Thats why Ive thought she was involved from the start, I think somebody in the school would have saw Kyron, Ive thought more than likely that Kyron walked out of the school with her and not towards his class.

However it is possible that he was abducted by a stranger. if so I think it would have been minutes if not seconds after Terry's last sight of him. So quickly that nobody else in the school had a chance to see him. I just cant believe that nobody saw Kyron, whether in school after Terry left, or out of the school if he left with Terry. But if a stranger abducted him nobody saw them leaving the school either. He somehow got out of that school with nobody seeing him.

It would be nice to know what information LE got from their fliers. Maybe something from those fliers caused Kaine to leave Terry. Maybe if nobody saw Kyron in the school without Terry LE thinks its even more likely now she was involved. I dont know. this case is very hard to understand or figure out.

 

[cluciano63]

I think we are talking a matter of less than a minute (30 seconds?) for Kyron to walk down a hallway, if Terri is totally innocent and left him where she could see him and his classroom. And someone would have had to be ready to pounce, basically and then make good an escape. It does not work, timewise, assuming Terri is telling the truth. So that is why I believe attention was focused on her from early on...LE stood in that hall, and just could not picture it. Kind of back to what is most likely to have happened, is probably what happened. (Kyron would leave the school with Terri without any kind of disturbance, but probably not with anyone else known to be around.)

 

[Mylou]

I don't believe we really can say for certainity who seen who that day. LE is not telling us anything.
Surely they have learned where a number of people were that day and at what time. They may even still be following up on some of it for all we know.

I don't believe it is impossible that a known stranger took him, a stranger to all I find less likely , but someone who appeared natural in their surroundings likely. How well do any of us know our aquaintances ?

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I think we are talking a matter of less than a minute (30 seconds?) for Kyron to walk down a hallway, if Terri is totally innocent and left him where she could see him and his classroom. And someone would have had to be ready to pounce, basically and then make good an escape. It does not work, timewise, assuming Terri is telling the truth.

OTOH, Terri could have been lying about watching him walk down the hall to his classroom. Maybe she didn't, and she thought it would make her look like a bad mother. In theory, she could have told Kyron to go to class, and left without him.

By the time she told this story to LE, she knew Kyron was missing and she thought everyone would blame her, and she blamed herself, because she didn't watch Kyron walk down that hall to class. This is just a theory, based on my knowledge of myself: If I were in her shoes in this theory, I would be wracked with guilt over it, even if at the time my actions were reasonable given that Kyron was safe at school and I thought he would obey me.

IRL, of course, her not watching Kyron take that walk was not evidence of being a bad mother. Opinions on that can go either way -- even when a child is not missing as a result.

Example: The secretaries at my daughter's school ordered me not to walk her to class several empty hallways away when she was 6. They said at her age, she needed to be more independent of me. DD had asked me to do it, and I did. The secretaries were wrong about DD because she, in fact, needed to learn to be less independent and I was thrilled she had asked me to do this.

 

[songline]

I am curious if everyone who works in the school has been interviewed. It would not be the first time a Janitor, or superintendent took a child into the basement.

I dont know what has happened I just dont get the it is Terri, (not yet).

 

[roseofsharon]

I think every KNOWN person to have attended the science fair that day -- teachers, assistant teachers, principal, assistant principal, parents, students, janitors, cafeteria staff, as well as all other students' family members, i.e. grandparents, etc., need to be checked out -- home searches. There will be many visitors that can't be accounted for, but those listed above are a start. Every home along Skyline Hwy. and Corn. Hwy. need to be checked and asked to account for where they were at 8:45 a.m. that morning.

Until all these people are ruled out, we can't say positively that it wasn't a stranger abduction.

Have LE done a door to door in the rural areas along the two highways.

LE needs to lay out all the facts of the case. How do they expect the public to help find K when they keep everything so close to the vest, as they say.

When you think about it, what do we really know. Surely, LE must know if he was taken to school that morning or not. That would be a start.

:banghead:

MOO

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I think every KNOWN person to have attended the science fair that day -- teachers, assistant teachers, principal, assistant principal, parents, students, janitors, cafeteria staff, as well as all other students' family members, i.e. grandparents, etc., need to be checked out -- home searches. There will be many visitors that can't be accounted for, but those listed above are a start. Every home along Skyline Hwy. and Corn. Hwy. need to be checked and asked to account for where they were at 8:45 a.m. that morning. MOO

LE has probably done that already to the extent of their ability to do so. If they have not, they would be incompetent to carry out rudimentary investigative techniques, and I doubt that is the case.

If a home occupant (or any person) is asked for an alibi, they don't have to say a word if they don't want to.

If a home dweller doesn't want LE to search their home or property, LE cannot do that without a warrant. Just having a missing child in the area is not enough to supply probable cause for that warrant. This is assuming there are no factors which provide an exception to the warrant requirement. Exigent circumstances such as these mean there must be emergency conditions present which directly relate to the person or property for which a search warrant would otherwise be required. The emergency means there is not time to get a warrant.

 

[Jack]

I am curious if everyone who works in the school has been interviewed. It would not be the first time a Janitor, or superintendent took a child into the basement.

I dont know what has happened I just dont get the it is Terri, (not yet).

I wonder if there were any deliveries being made, like milk or other things. Most people don't pay too much attention to what delivery guys are doing and with a bunch of people wondering the halls someone like a delivery guy could have grabbed a child and thrown them in the back of his truck and taken off without anyone noticing. Especially if the child decided to go to the rest room or took a shortcut through an area where there weren't a lot of people at the time. I've spent some time in schools and it would be possible for an unattended child to get in all kinds of troubling situations if no-one was watching. There is a false sense of security you get about a place that is supposed to be safe, like a school, and you forget that predators are everywhere and can strike without notice if the opportunity arises.

I agree, don't get it either about TH. It seems the cops focused on her because she is the last "solid" sighting of the child. I think they are using the family to try to get her to break.

 

[kathryann]

Honestly, I think that LE probably talked to everyone in and around the school that day. I don't live in Oregon, but I'm trusting that they know what they are doing and have a good idea what happened to Kyron. I'm totally baffled by all of this and am beginning to not have a theory at all LOL.

 

[cluciano63]

I want to believe LE when they say the have no indication that a stranger is involved and I do believe them, partly because I am not sold on the real possibility of a stranger being able to do this all so quickly and without a trace in that situation. I know, it has probably happened just as quickly in other cases, etc...but just not feeling it here and obviously neither is FBI or MCSO. I know they can be wrong but I think they are right on this one.

 

[curiousmind]

Just wanted to add for informations sake...

I teach at an elementary school in a very small town. VERY SMALL.

We have a "relationship" with the local police. I would say on average we call in at least 5 times a week at a K-6 building. I can't imagine how many times our middle and high school does.

We call when a student needs a "talking to" bigger than us, when a child needs a mentor, etc... all sorts of things.

We have a radio we use for this that takes us directly to our assigned officer, but not all schools do. One of our other buildings calls dispatch directly, and when they do this it is logged as a "911 call" even though it was not an emergency.

Just saying that even though there are numerous calls in one day for police does not mean it is anything sinister.

We also call for traffic control in and out of special events. Which is a distinct possibility with the morning call from the log.

 

[Barry]

The apparent lack of evidence could point to a stranger, meaning that it could have been a crime of complete opportunity. In this scenario, events and timing would have fallen together such that the perp saw their chance and took it in completely spontaneous matter. There would be no pre-planning evidence or anything of that kind in this theory. Maybe a predator that just randomly showed up in places where children hang out, waiting for a chance.

Where it would fall apart, is that it is an apparent lack of evidence. We don't know what LE really has.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Maybe a predator that just randomly showed up in places where children hang out, waiting for a chance.

Or the predator could be someone that anyone there would expect to be there, like a friend or relative of a student. He saw his opportunity and he took it.

Sometimes the most unlikely person turns out to be a perp. There was a s*xual predator of children in our former upper middle class neighborhood. He was a highly paid professional, had no criminal record, and had a fine, upstanding family. There was no way anyone would ever suspect him of being a bad guy. He didn't prey on children in our area (except for his daughter) -- he went out of state to do that.

The FBI came one evening to arrest him. He is now serving 20 years in the federal pen. I think he deserves a life sentence.

 

[kathryann]

OTOH, Terri could have been lying about watching him walk down the hall to his classroom. Maybe she didn't, and she thought it would make her look like a bad mother. In theory, she could have told Kyron to go to class, and left without him.

By the time she told this story to LE, she knew Kyron was missing and she thought everyone would blame her, and she blamed herself, because she didn't watch Kyron walk down that hall to class. This is just a theory, based on my knowledge of myself: If I were in her shoes in this theory, I would be wracked with guilt over it, even if at the time my actions were reasonable given that Kyron was safe at school and I thought he would obey me.

IRL, of course, her not watching Kyron take that walk was not evidence of being a bad mother. Opinions on that can go either way -- even when a child is not missing as a result. '

Actually this to me seems like the best theory, and I'm confused as heck about this. Maybe she had other plans that morning and was in a hurry. She ran in took pictures to have an alibi of sorts, at least to show her husband where she was, and took off to Sauvie Island. Kaine was home that day correct? So she had to hurry. Do the kids that live on Sauvie Island attend the same school? If there was friction at home to begin with, which I believe there had to have been, coming from a "not-so-blended" family myself, she was afraid to admit that she wasn't watching him. Someone took that slight opportunity to either take Kyron or get back at Terri. Not to be judgmental, but if the Bio Mom trusted Terri with her husband to begin with and she moved right in on him, maybe she moved in on the wrong person, and someone retaliated, which is just a theory and I'm generally wrong. The most baffling part of this whole situation is that LE is saying no one else is in danger, so they must have something that points to that. Kyron missing may have been the straw that broke the camel's back in the marriage.

 

[cluciano63]

It's just that they would need to grab him in those few seconds/one minute that it would take Kyron to walk down a hall and then get him out of building/out of sight without anyone seeing anything. It is one thing to drive down a street, pull over, car idling and grab a kid and take off. But to get one of this age to go with you, or to grab and run, would take too long, IMO, for someone not to be around, we keep hearing the school was full of people that day. Even someone knows to Kyron (which would not be a stranger abduction) would have had to converse with him long enough to convince him to leave the school. I just can't make this work for me if Terri truly did part with him in the hallway.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

The most baffling part of this whole situation is that LE is saying no one else is in danger, so they must have something that points to that. Kyron missing may have been the straw that broke the camel's back in the marriage.

LE is saying they have no evidence that it is a stranger abduction or anything other than an isolated event. To me, that is reassuring, but not definitive, as new evidence could come to light which does show it could be a stranger abduction.

I am trying to keep an open mind about all this, but it is becoming harder to do. I think it is likely that Terri is the perp. It is also possible that she is not.

The best case is that someone has Kyron, that he is alive and well-cared for, and that he has not been hurt. I can't see how that could have ever been thought to work out well by the perp, though.

I hope they resolve it soon, so at the very least Kyron's loved ones will know what happened to him.

 

[kathryann]

It's just that they would need to grab him in those few seconds/one minute that it would take Kyron to walk down a hall and then get him out of building/out of sight without anyone seeing anything. It is one thing to drive down a street, pull over, car idling and grab a kid and take off. But to get one of this age to go with you, or to grab and run, would take too long, IMO, for someone not to be around, we keep hearing the school was full of people that day. Even someone knows to Kyron (which would not be a stranger abduction) would have had to converse with him long enough to convince him to leave the school. I just can't make this work for me if Terri truly did part with him in the hallway.

But how the heck did she do it? Get him out of there with no one seeing, unless they have evidence that she was seen and we don't know.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

LE is saying they have no evidence that it is a stranger abduction or anything other than an isolated event. To me, that is reassuring, but not definitive, as new evidence could come to light which does show it could be a stranger abduction.

I am trying to keep an open mind about all this, but it is becoming harder to do. I think it is likely that Terri is the perp. It is also possible that she is not.

The best case is that someone has Kyron, that he is alive and well-cared for, and that he has not been hurt. I can't see how that could have ever been thought to work out well by the perp, though.

I hope they resolve it soon, so at the very least Kyron's loved ones will know what happened to him.

It really is so hard to discern what LE really means when they say "isolated incident" as they have done in other cases before and this one. Some of those cases were done by someone known to the victim however in other cases where the same wordage was used it was a total stranger that harmed the victim.

Since I think LE really has no clue what happened to Kyron they have to look at all possibilities. 1. Someone known to him. 2. He was specifically targeted for whatever reason. 3. Or they believe that whomever took Kyron even if it was a stranger is no longer in the area but has moved on and has taken Kyron out of the area.

I remember in the Greone, Sara Walker and Husted cases they also used the same terminology and all three of those cases were done by a complete stranger.

IMO

 

[anamarieus]

But how the heck did she do it? Get him out of there with no one seeing, unless they have evidence that she was seen and we don't know.

1. Tour Science Fair
2. Confuse Teacher about appt
3. Cooerce Kyron to meet perp down the back stairs outside where car is waiting, while perp is going out front door
4. Coast is clear. Haul butt outta there.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

1. Tour Science Fair
2. Confuse Teacher about appt
3. Coerce Kyron to meet perp down the back stairs outside where car is waiting, while perp is going out front door
4. Coast is clear. Haul butt outta there.

That sure would be extremely risky anamarieus. At any second things could go wrong.

Why would she confuse the teacher into believing he was going to an appointment that very day and then use the ploy of showing up when he was going to get off the bus? That just seems an opposing MO. That would be like she is setting herself up.

I just don't find that plausible. She knew she would be easily recognizable there. It wasnt as if she was some unknown parent that only showed up once a year. Why would she pick this place to do this when she knew it was filled with 100s of people that could have recognized her? And even more so if they saw her with Kyron because everyone at the school thought Terri was his bio mother.

It just makes no sense to me.

And unfortunately little children don't have to be coerced to go off with someone. If the person doesn't look like the boogeyman or woman and look trustworthy then the child is very trusting and being Kyron was in his own safe zone at school he would be even more trusting of other adults there, imo.

And it was a school parking lot whomever took Kyron would not haul butt out of there imo for that would bring attention to them even more.

IMO