Surveillance videos collected

[Kat]

Help please?

Do we have a map that has the school, SI, and the two stores from which the video was requested?

TIA!

 

[AlexisFresca]

Help please?

Do we have a map that has the school, SI, and the two stores from which the video was requested?

TIA!

Have you tried the thread entitled, 'Skyline Elementary School'? I believe there is an aerial that may include some of that?

 

[rosiebean]

Just another point of view: I have had traumatic events happen--have gone through all of the emotions and feelings that a parent initially feels when a child is lost--and could barely think, I was so panicked internally (I was also so upset that I couldn't cry--and I cry at the drop of a hat!). I couldn't remember what he was wearing, and I had dressed him that morning and had *just* changed his diaper before he went missing. People react to stress in different ways. Maybe one personality remembers every detail, and another can barely function.

This is a serious question, and I'm not being snarky. If you had stopped by the gas station before your child was lost, would you forget? Do you always pay in cash so that there is no electronic record? If you'd run multiple errands before your child was lost, would you forget where you'd gone? Would there be no electronic record of where you'd been?

I've been in the position of not remembering what my child was wearing. At that point, I could still have told you (and there would have been an electronic record, as I rarely pay for gas/groceries with cash) where I'd stopped that day.

If TH reacted to stress in such a way that she 1) was the last person seen with her stepson before he went missing, 2) failed to call 911 when he didn't appear from the bus, 3) had the school secretary dial 911, 4) had the school secretary call DY, 5) was surprised that DY was going to drive to Portland immediately upon hearing that her child was missing, 6) could not remember what she'd done that morning, 7) had no electronic record of her morning...then she's had the worst luck of anyone ever on this planet.

I mean, she remembered everything before Kyron went missing. She remembered that she parted with him about 150 feet from his class, waved to him, and that she left about 9:45. She remembered everything until he went missing...that short time after she waved to him, turned around and went on her way. Funny that...because even if Kyron was taken by someone else and went missing at 9:46 while Terri went about her normal everyday morning...as far as Terri was concerned, Kyron was not missing until 3:30 that afternoon when he failed to get off the bus.

If she's innocent, her timeline is: everything was normal until 3:30. WHY then, before knowing exactly WHEN Kyron was missing, would she have such problems remembering what happened after she dropped Kyron off? She remembered everything before 9:45. Why so many issues remembering afer then...remember, from 9:45 until 3:30, as far as Terri was concerned, Kryon was at school...

So why does she remember before school, but not between school and picking him up at the bus???

HINKY.

 

[gwenabob]

This is a serious question, and I'm not being snarky. If you had stopped by the gas station before your child was lost, would you forget? Do you always pay in cash so that there is no electronic record? If you'd run multiple errands before your child was lost, would you forget where you'd gone? Would there be no electronic record of where you'd been?

I've been in the position of not remembering what my child was wearing. At that point, I could still have told you (and there would have been an electronic record, as I rarely pay for gas/groceries with cash) where I'd stopped that day.

If TH reacted to stress in such a way that she 1) was the last person seen with her stepson before he went missing, 2) failed to call 911 when he didn't appear from the bu, 3) had the school secretary dial 911, 4) had the school secretary call DY, 5) was surprised that DY was going to drive to Portland immediately upon hearing that her child was missing, 6) could not remember what she'd done that morning, 7) had no electronic record of her morning...then she's had the worst luck of anyone ever on this planet.

I mean, she remembered everything before Kyron went missing. She remembered that she parted with him about 150 feet from his class, waved to him, and that she left about 9:45. She remembered everything until he went missing...that short time after she waved to him, turned around and went on her way. Funny that...because even if Kyron was taken by someone else and went missing at 9:46 while Terri went about her normal everyday morning...as far as Terri was concerned, Kyron was not missing until 3:30 that afternoon when he failed to get off the bus.

If she's innocent, her timeline is: everything was normal until 3:30. WHY then, before knowing exactly WHEN Kyron was missing, would she have such problems remembering what happened after she dropped Kyron off? She remembered everything before 9:45. Why so many issues remembering afer then...remember, from 9:45 until 3:30, as far as Terri was concerned, Kryon was at school...

So why does she remember before school, but not between school and picking him up at the bus???

HINKY.

Sounds like the conclusion is one of two things:

Selective amnesia or lying.

EXCELLENT post, by the way!

 

[curvecuti]

This is a serious question, and I'm not being snarky. If you had stopped by the gas station before your child was lost, would you forget? Do you always pay in cash so that there is no electronic record? If you'd run multiple errands before your child was lost, would you forget where you'd gone? Would there be no electronic record of where you'd been?
I've been in the position of not remembering what my child was wearing. At that point, I could still have told you (and there would have been an electronic record, as I rarely pay for gas/groceries with cash) where I'd stopped that day.

If TH reacted to stress in such a way that she 1) was the last person seen with her stepson before he went missing, 2) failed to call 911 when he didn't appear from the bus, 3) had the school secretary dial 911, 4) had the school secretary call DY, 5) was surprised that DY was going to drive to Portland immediately upon hearing that her child was missing, 6) could not remember what she'd done that morning, 7) had no electronic record of her morning...then she's had the worst luck of anyone ever on this planet.

I mean, she remembered everything before Kyron went missing. She remembered that she parted with him about 150 feet from his class, waved to him, and that she left about 9:45. She remembered everything until he went missing...that short time after she waved to him, turned around and went on her way. Funny that...because even if Kyron was taken by someone else and went missing at 9:46 while Terri went about her normal everyday morning...as far as Terri was concerned, Kyron was not missing until 3:30 that afternoon when he failed to get off the bus.

If she's innocent, her timeline is: everything was normal until 3:30. WHY then, before knowing exactly WHEN Kyron was missing, would she have such problems remembering what happened after she dropped Kyron off? She remembered everything before 9:45. Why so many issues remembering afer then...remember, from 9:45 until 3:30, as far as Terri was concerned, Kryon was at school...

So why does she remember before school, but not between school and picking him up at the bus???

HINKY.

BBM. I must have missed this, it's been confirmed that she stopped all these places and paid in cash so there would be no record of her whereabouts? Can I get the link to read that myself? TIA!

 

[TrY]

I haven't read the whole thread yet but I did read the KOMO article. I would guess that the stores are ones that TH regularly visits and that those stores are in the area where her cell phone pinged the day Kyron went missing.

I'm also going to guess that it's not just surveillance video from Albertsons or Fred Meyer that LE is looking at either. Any banks, gas stations, coffee houses, or street cameras around where ever TH's cell phone pinged that day, or whereever TH had a receipt for or where she used a credit/debit card that day to see if TH was alone, with Kyron, with her baby, or with anyone else.

 

[curvecuti]

I haven't read the whole thread yet but I did read the KOMO article. I would guess that the stores are ones that TH regularly visits and that those stores are in the area where her cell phone pinged the day Kyron went missing.

I'm also going to guess that it's not just surveillance video from Albertsons or Fred Meyer that LE is looking at either. Any banks, gas stations, coffee houses, or street cameras around where ever TH's cell phone pinged that day, or whereever TH had a receipt for or where she used a credit/debit card that day to see if TH was alone, with Kyron, with her baby, or with anyone else.

Where is the link to the article? I missed it and would like to read it. Thanks!

 

[AbbieNormal]

ITA. I think this piece of information has probably been confirmed to Kaine and Desiree by LE.

So, I have missed some parts, is it TRUE the baby WAS with Terri that day? Was the baby at the science fair? Did anyone at the school remember seeing Terri AND the baby?
This is big because whatever she did to Kyron, that baby was there too.

 

[rosiebean]

BBM. I must have missed this, it's been confirmed that she stopped all these places and paid in cash so there would be no record of her whereabouts? Can I get the link to read that myself? TIA!

It has not been confirmed that that's what she did...I'm using an example. TH claimed she 'ran errands' after dropping Kyron off. Apparently, TH claims that she can't remember what she did that morning. That's fine (even if I have a hard time believing it)...it's fine because usually when people run errands, they leave an electronic trail...so even if she couldn't remember, she could look at her debit/credit card records or look at her paper receipts to see where she'd been.

When I run errands, I do things like fill up my car, go grocery shopping, pick up dry cleaning, pick up prescriptions, deposit checks at the bank, go by the post office, etc. About 99% of the 'errands' I do involve an electronic record. I would either have an electronic receipt (i.e., I usually pay by credit or debit card), would have a physical receipt (I keep all paper receipts from gas, grocery, dry cleaning, etc.), or there would potentially be video of me (most banks, grocery stores, etc. have video surveillance). I don't know what TH claimed she did, I'm just having a hard time believing that she would have run a bunch of errands and payed in cash (possible, but not probable, IMO) or that there wouldn't be some kind of electronic trail of where she'd been (video or debit/credit card records).

 

[curvecuti]

It has not been confirmed that that's what she did...I'm using an example. TH claimed she 'ran errands' after dropping Kyron off. When I run errands, I do things like fill up my car, go grocery shopping, pick up dry cleaning, pick up prescriptions, deposit checks at the bank, go by the post office, etc. About 99% of the 'errands' I do involve an electronic record. I would either have an electronic receipt (i.e., I usually pay by credit or debit card), would have a physical receipt (I keep all paper receipts from gas, grocery, dry cleaning, etc.), or there would potentially be video of me (most banks, grocery stores, etc. have video surveillance). I don't know what TH claimed she did, I'm just having a hard time believing that she would have run a bunch of errands and payed in cash (possible, but not probable, IMO) or that there wouldn't be some kind of electronic trail of where she'd been (video or debit/credit card records).

Oh ok, I gotcha, thanks!

 

[sorrell skye]

Maybe I missed the link, I haven't yet caught up with all the posts on all the threads today, but where has it been reported that TH was surprised that DY was going to drive to Portland immediately upon hearing that her child was missing? TIA!

 

[TrY]

Where is the link to the article? I missed it and would like to read it. Thanks!

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98147474.html

is the link to the KOMO article.

 

[gardeness]

This is a serious question, and I'm not being snarky. If you had stopped by the gas station before your child was lost, would you forget? Do you always pay in cash so that there is no electronic record? If you'd run multiple errands before your child was lost, would you forget where you'd gone? Would there be no electronic record of where you'd been?

I've been in the position of not remembering what my child was wearing. At that point, I could still have told you (and there would have been an electronic record, as I rarely pay for gas/groceries with cash) where I'd stopped that day.

If TH reacted to stress in such a way that she 1) was the last person seen with her stepson before he went missing, 2) failed to call 911 when he didn't appear from the bus, 3) had the school secretary dial 911, 4) had the school secretary call DY, 5) was surprised that DY was going to drive to Portland immediately upon hearing that her child was missing, 6) could not remember what she'd done that morning, 7) had no electronic record of her morning...then she's had the worst luck of anyone ever on this planet.

I mean, she remembered everything before Kyron went missing. She remembered that she parted with him about 150 feet from his class, waved to him, and that she left about 9:45. She remembered everything until he went missing...that short time after she waved to him, turned around and went on her way. Funny that...because even if Kyron was taken by someone else and went missing at 9:46 while Terri went about her normal everyday morning...as far as Terri was concerned, Kyron was not missing until 3:30 that afternoon when he failed to get off the bus.

If she's innocent, her timeline is: everything was normal until 3:30. WHY then, before knowing exactly WHEN Kyron was missing, would she have such problems remembering what happened after she dropped Kyron off? She remembered everything before 9:45. Why so many issues remembering afer then...remember, from 9:45 until 3:30, as far as Terri was concerned, Kryon was at school...

So why does she remember before school, but not between school and picking him up at the bus???

HINKY.

I don't have a good short-term memory, but I have an excellent long-term memory! In my experience, extreme stress blanks my mind almost completely. I am also the kind of person who writes everything I do in my calendar, or I'll forget, lol! I am a SAHM mom now, but my calendar is as full as it was when I worked, because of this habit!

You have an excellent point in this post, but I personally cannot compare what she remembered in the morning to what she remembered in the afternoon until I have more information. DY and KH have thrown out a lot of information about TH, and I think much of it is incomplete. If Terri *never* remembered her day, I am sure LE would have labeled her as "uncooperative". At some point, she remembered her day and it is documented. We don't know if DY was talking about TH immediately remembering for police interrogation, or if she needed some time to remember, or if the not remembering was during her LDT--we just don't know. We do know that she must have remembered something, because they are comparing her memory to the pings on her cell phone and to the recollections of the students/parents/faculty of the school.

 

[curvecuti]

From that article,

Before Kyron Horman's disappearance on June 4, Kaine Horman said his relationship with his wife was "a nice clean slate, as far as I can tell."

"a nice clean slate"? That is quite an odd statement. I don't know of any relationship I have that I would describe as "a nice clean slate, as far as I can tell."

 

[gitana1]

Sorry you personalized the word 'people'. Didn't mean you specifically.

So Terri has an 18mo toddler on her hip traipsing through thick brush or swamp while carrying her s-son in arms so she can carefully hide his body? And this is all to show her innocence? What am I missing? :waitasec:

Kid could have been at the sitters or at the gym or sleeping in her carseat. We just don't know enough, I think, to say for sure but those are possibilities.

 

[rosiebean]

Maybe I missed the link, I haven't yet caught up with all the posts on all the threads today, but where has it been reported that TH was surprised that DY was going to drive to Portland immediately upon hearing that her child was missing? TIA!

It was on a local Portland broadcast station...I watched it streaming during the broadcast and saw others mentioning it while watching live on FB and other forums. It was during the same time frame that DY and KH gave the press conference and extended interviews after with different media outlets. DY quite clearly said that when she called TH (after getting the call from the school secretary) and made it known that she was on her way immediately, TH was surprised that she would do that. I can't point you to the video right now, but it's got to be around and I'll give more details.

 

[gitana1]

My partner eats the exact same thing for breakfast every morning - flax cereal with blueberries & rice milk & a glass of orange juice. He'd be able to recall in a flash what he ate for breakfast. Maybe DY's breakfast routine doesn't vary from day to day, either. Who knows?

I think it's easier for people to recall routine things, even under stress. A bit more difficult to recall non-routine things, especially during stressful events.

It will be interesting to learn if these tapes corroborate or refute TH's whereabouts on June 4th. Although I don't expect LE to release any details as to what may or may not be on those videos, since they may be considered evidence, IMO. Integrity of the investigation and all.

At any rate, kudos to KOMO for reporting real news. KATU could take a page from their book. MOO

BBM - super healthy!!!!!!!!!

Do ya know the thing that keeps tripping me up? No one saw Kyron leave the school...with or without Terri. At least no one we've heard of. Isn't that odd? That drives me nuts. How could that school be so full of people but no one saw him leaving with Terri...or even bump into him as he's running out to meet up with Terri. Nothing. Its almost like he slipped away....but I can't buy that theory either. This case is maddening....

I seriously agree with you. To me, it does not make sense, especially if TH planned this, knowing there would be tons of people who could see her leaving with Kyron. This little fact kept me on the fence for a long, long time. Just too many opportunities for her to be seen and to know that she could be seen. But, the cummulation of other things pushed me off the fence to TH being responsible for something. Anyhow, your confusion is completely valid, IMO.

once again if this is a 'pressure tactic' they really need to work on them.

cause they arent working, period

How do you know that? We don't know if any of this is causing her to say things or do things that are of evidentiary value. This is not CSI or Perry Mason. Just because we don't see TH confess within 24 hours of some possible tactic, or an arrest days after the release of something big like the probable cause stuff in the RO, for example, does not mean there is no case or that a whole host of important things are not happening under our radar.

Former Multnomah County prosecutor Jim McIntyre said an arrest in this case has not been made because, “You have to be able to identify specifically what crime you’re going to charge. You can’t simply say, ‘you’re under arrest because everyone thinks you did something.’ I mean, you have to have evidence, more likely than not, that you committed a specific crime.”


Is he saying they know Terri did something, just not what she did?

To me, this is obvious. They think she murdered or otherwise harmed Kyron, but there is no body so it's very hard to prove murder unless other evidence comes to light.

 

[yosande]

Does anyone remember the name of that road where a witness saw a white truck with a boy that looked like Kyron in it turn south off of hwy 26 going west of where they live that morning? Also does anyone know if there were any searches done in that wooded area? tia

This info places her near hwy 26 that morning.

ETA; I found the info. It was Salmonberry Road, a grey or black pickup, and it was seen on Saturday afternoon. It does not mention anything about the driver, only the boy.


http://www.kptv.com/video/23824775/index.html

 

[rosiebean]

I don't have a good short-term memory, but I have an excellent long-term memory! In my experience, extreme stress blanks my mind almost completely. I am also the kind of person who writes everything I do in my calendar, or I'll forget, lol! I am a SAHM mom now, but my calendar is as full as it was when I worked, because of this habit!

You have an excellent point in this post, but I personally cannot compare what she remembered in the morning to what she remembered in the afternoon until I have more information. DY and KH have thrown out a lot of information about TH, and I think much of it is incomplete. If Terri *never* remembered her day, I am sure LE would have labeled her as "uncooperative". At some point, she remembered her day and it is documented. We don't know if DY was talking about TH immediately remembering for police interrogation, or if she needed some time to remember, or if the not remembering was during her LDT--we just don't know. We do know that she must have remembered something, because they are comparing her memory to the pings on her cell phone and to the recollections of the students/parents/faculty of the school.

The thing is, Th was back at home by afternoon. She remembered part of the morning but not the other part. It's not like she remembered up until 1:00 and then forgot (short term loss, from 1ish to 3/4ish)...she remembered, apparently, exactly until she dropped Kryon off.

TH didn't do a LOT of things that are questionable (including take a full poly until the third try...walking out on one before it even started!), yet LE has continuously labeled her as cooperative. They are, IMO, very obviously trying to be the 'good guy' so that she is willing to talk to them.

We do not know if she has EVER fully documented her day, and DY (who has been 'fully briefed' by LE) claims that TH can't remember what she did that morning...I really, really, really doubt that if TH had not remembered that day in the short term (because of stress) but had pulled herself together the next week to fully account for her time that DY (and LE, who has fully briefed her) would *still* be focusing on that. Not logical, IMO.

And she may not have remembered anything right away...except that when LE asked if she'd been on Sauvie Island (or asked about that general direction), despite not remembering, she could have emphatically said, "no, I was in the Beaverton. I don't member which gas station, but I stayed in the Beaverton area."

 

[sorrell skye]

If TH reacted to stress in such a way that she 1) was the last person seen with her stepson before he went missing, 2) failed to call 911 when he didn't appear from the bus, 3) had the school secretary dial 911, 4) had the school secretary call DY, 5) was surprised that DY was going to drive to Portland immediately upon hearing that her child was missing, 6) could not remember what she'd done that morning, 7) had no electronic record of her morning...then she's had the worst luck of anyone ever on this planet.

respectfully snipped & bbm

In one of the early statements made by KH (IIRC, I believe it was during the first few days after K went missing) he stated in an Intel e-mail that We contacted 911 "in partnership" with the school. "We" being the operative word.

Regarding TH not contacting DY about K being missing: Why didn't KH contact DY? After all, he is the bio father, and was also present when K didn't get off the bus & was informed that K had been absent. IMO, BOTH KH & TH seemed to have relegated that important responsibility to a third party.

I feel very badly for DY that she had to hear that frightening news from a stranger. She shouldn't have ever had to be informed of such terrible news, but, IMO, if she was to hear it from anyone, it should have been from either K's dad or from TH. Not the school secretary.