Surveillance videos collected

[Nana46]

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/

In video on this page Kaine says K. was with Terri.

That simple statement by Kaine just blew me outta the water...how did she manage both if in fact something happened?

 

[shefner]

Wait a minute, far as I knew yesterday the baby was with a sitter, and not with TH the morning of the SF.

Can't count on any facts being verified by LE. That is what is so frustrating about trying to sleuth this case even now five weeks later. I would like to know more if there was a sitter for the baby that morning. A sitter would notice what TH wore and her behavior before the SF and then later how she was acting. A sitter for the baby maybe did say something when interviewed. We don't know that do we?

If K was with a sitter, this further defines the timeline. The sitter would have information such as what time K came and left...and the look and demeanor of Terri.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

sounds like they feel she did something but dont have evidence to back it up.

but if they are wrong they are so toast

They need to go back to the drawing board.

 

[bayougirl]

OK it's not in the friend's item but I do concur with the other posters who saw it. It was an aha moment that the baby was with a sitter. Maybe TH's mom. She had other info wrong so maybe it was her and she had that wrong too.

 

[Curious Me]

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/

In video on this page Kaine says K. was with Terri.

Thank You. Kaine does say plain as day that Terri had the baby with her that day. DY nods in agreement. Wow, okay, she had the baby with her at the school. Let me think on this because it changes with the baby there.

 

[shefner]

When traumatic events happen in our lives, it is normal and usual to remember every little detail surrounding those events.

I was in a serious car accident 28 years ago. To this day I remember what I was wearing, what I ate for dinner beforehand, what kind/color car I was riding in, how long my hair was, what the wrecked car smelled like, the name of the man who held the towel to my bleeding head, the misty rain that was falling, the time, temperature, and everything else. I can play it in my head like a recording.

Same for my wedding day. Same for the births of my children. We forget details from days that have no meaning. We remember details from days when important things happen.

I think it is highly suspicious that Terri would forget exactly the who/what/why/where/when and how of everything she did that day. She would have been asked to recite her day within hours of the events. Unless you have had a brain injury, you would remember what you did earlier in the day.

I can see what you're saying here. But when my own son disappeared, the shock and lack of sleep made it difficult for me to think of anything. Some parts of my thinking were fine-tuned and others were non-existent. I could remember something for a few hours and then I would forget the specifics and keep the generalities. This incident was 6 years ago....and I still couldn't tell you what we ate during those days or if I showered. But I remember certain phone calls and statements from police or comments from neighbors.

What I am thinking, and I might be off-base, but if this was pre-meditated then surely Terri would have rehearsed her story over and over again to herself. She would have thought of her timeline and have the scenario rehearsed perfectly.

My husband is a chaplain with the Sheriff's office and he has friends who are police officers. They always say that someone who has a perfect answer for every question is suspicious...because most of us have to stop and think about what we did first, where we parked, etc. And the normal person will make some mistakes in their memories. This is the human part of the equation. But the individual who causes alarm is the one that sounds pat and artificial, answering questions from rote memory (like reading from a script).

 

[Noway]

daycare at the gym

When I first read this, I thought you meant that the school was offering daycare in the gym (meaning parents could drop younger kids off there while they looked at the exhibits with their school-age child) but now I think you mean the gym where she worked out.

But ... was daycare provided at the school?

 

[Noway]

Thank You. Kaine does say plain as day that Terri had the baby with her that day. DY nods in agreement. Wow, okay, she had the baby with her at the school. Let me think on this because it changes with the baby there.

For me, it makes the possibility of an accomplice much greater.

I wish they had photos from another source than Terri that showed Kyron that day. Because if people saw Terri and little sister, they could have just assumed Kyron was there too. (ETA: Terri could have called out "Kyron, wait for us!" and gone out the door with an exasperated look ... ).

Also, if Terri and little sister are in pix, that would be great too.

(Just read a post that talks about the photo of Kyron "obviously" being photoshopped ... and I'm not sure which way to go!)

 

[Curious Me]

TH goes to the school with Kyron but she has the baby with her in the truck. She is running errands and setting up things to make Kyron go away while all the while having to care for her baby? Making Kyron disappear that day was fit in to all the other things she did that day, and now I have to imagine another child there along for the ride - it's really stretching my imagination. Does anyone else feel these videos are mainly to prove she couldn't have been running those errands and to catch her in her lies?

 

[Nana46]

For me, it makes the possibility of an accomplice much greater.

I wish they had photos from another source than Terri that showed Kyron that day. Because if people saw Terri and little sister, they could have just assumed Kyron was there too. (ETA: Terri could have called out "Kyron, wait for us!" and gone out the door with an exasperated look ... ).

Also, if Terri and little sister are in pix, that would be great too.

(Just read a post that talks about the photo of Kyron "obviously" being photoshopped ... and I'm not sure which way to go!)

You know you made me think (duh!) lol, what if there are other pictures that other parents took? Maybe and they have been asked not to release them? Interesting.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Oh, Shefner....I am so sorry to hear about your son....that is so awful for you and you have my deepest sympathies. (((Hugs)))

 

[GrainneDhu]

Just the idea that LE had requested video surveillance to confirm if she was or wasn't where she said tells me they had reason not to believe her. :twocents:

I hope that they requested such video surveillance data for anyone connected to the case.

I'm old enough to remember Ronald Reagan saying "Trust but verify."

 

[emmcee]

Thank You. Kaine does say plain as day that Terri had the baby with her that day. DY nods in agreement. Wow, okay, she had the baby with her at the school. Let me think on this because it changes with the baby there.

Wait a minute. How do we know that Kaine is right? How does he know for sure that she had the baby with her. Did Terri tell him that? Did he assume it? Did he actually see Terri and baby K together all day long? :waitasec:

 

[babycat]

Okay, I read through this thread and I THINK I read every post and am caught up

here are just some random thoughts...

I am not sure where the store that is "about five miles from Skyline" is located in relation to the island, but is it possible that TH SAID she was there, in order to explain the pings on the island? Is it near the island at all? Maybe the area around the island and store share a tower?

Also, someone asked about whether Kyron had an overnight bag packed- I'm sure it doesn't apply to every family, but when my niece goes to visit her dad for a week, her dad has tons clothes, toys, everything she would need there. They usually only send one small bag with snacks for the car trip and maybe a babydoll No clothes, shoes, etc. So there might not have necessarily been a bag packed. Just throwing that out there.

Also, I'm curious as to whether the "specific" area of the test is about whether or not TH knows who has Kyron. Maybe that is the reason Desiree and Kaine are saying they feel he's alive?

Maybe the tapes are looking for TH possibly meeting up with someone.

OR, maybe Terri is just saying "hey, here is my alibi!" and it will all check out. Who knows.

I can't personally see going into TWO different stores if you really don't have to (getting the baby out of the car seat, stopping, going in, et al can be a handful if it isn't completely necessary.)

Something really makes me feel like since Sweet Baby K was with Terri, IF she is involved at all, maybe she just handed him off to someone.

IF. Just throwin' all that out there.

 

[Nana46]

Wait a minute. How do we know that Kaine is right? How does he know for sure that she had the baby with her. Did Terri tell him that? Did he assume it? Did he actually see Terri and baby K together all day long? :waitasec:

I really can't imagine him saying it if it wasn't so....but hey that is just me,lol.

 

[shefner]

Oh, Shefner....I am so sorry to hear about your son....that is so awful for you and you have my deepest sympathies. (((Hugs)))

Oh, thank you Blondie. Everything turned out ok even though I have to say our lives have never been the same. My prayers go out to this family. Even if Kyron came walking thru their doors today, this family will be forever changed.

 

[Noway]

There was never a shortage of volunteers to watch my daughter when she and I went to my son's school (if I had wanted them to). They are about as far apart in age as Kyron and his sister.

 

[wondering1]

I really can't imagine him saying it if it wasn't so....but hey that is just me,lol.

That statement really changes it up. So I was thinking about the possibility that KH doesn't know for sure. But, like you, I doubt that. I'm thinking in all of the interviews and all of the discussions these people must have had with LE and amongs themselves right at first, that would have been one of the very first details that would have been covered. If people weren't on the same page on that, you'd think it would be a HUGE issue and that KH would have at least been equivocal or said that he couldn't answer b/c it was part of the investigation -- especially since he has done both in response to other questions.

At the same time, I still think it's odd that I don't recall anyone or anything -- not any family member, not LE, not the flier, not a photo -- speaking to the issue of where baby girl was that morning. I think that may be another reason why those of us who recall the sitter rumor are way surprised by KH's statement. jmoo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Wait a minute. How do we know that Kaine is right? How does he know for sure that she had the baby with her. Did Terri tell him that? Did he assume it? Did he actually see Terri and baby K together all day long? :waitasec:

I do think he tells the truth about some things.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Originally Posted by Curious Me
Thank You. Kaine does say plain as day that Terri had the baby with her that day. DY nods in agreement. Wow, okay, she had the baby with her at the school. Let me think on this because it changes with the baby there.

Wait a minute. How do we know that Kaine is right? How does he know for sure that she had the baby with her. Did Terri tell him that? Did he assume it? Did he actually see Terri and baby K together all day long? :waitasec:

Good point, emmcee. She could have asked someone to watch the baby for her while she got Kyron out of the school, all unbeknownst to Kaine. If she did have the baby with her, I'm wondering if she sedated her and left her in the truck. Makes me ill to think about it, but after what I've learned in this case, she is clearly capable of anything. Maybe the baby is known to nap while in the car; there are some kids out there. For us, we've seldom had that luxury, of kids napping while driving.

Still not sure about an accomplice; keep going back and forth on that one.