Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother #2

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And IMHO that wasn't Haleigh's side and that was due to her knowing her son was involved. Her ONLY concern from the beginning has been to hide the role she and family members have played in order to save Ron C from being the one held responsible for Haleigh's disappearance...JMO

When TN comes out and says.. I believe my son may have been the one responsible for whatever it was that happened to Haleigh, and that Misty was there when it occurred. When she stands up and says they both know what happened then I might believe TN isn't part of the coverup to protect Ron C...Until then ...No way.. JMO


Amen, agree, thank you, exactly, kudos. Not one adult in this entire investigation has behaved as a responsible, mature adult. Haleigh is the only victim in this case whose pain and fear may have been felt is my only concern Haleigh is the only person who I freely give my sympathy to.

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My Parental Opinion
 
The sheriff's office has issued statements clearing Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, of suspicion in her disappearance.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/...re-Haleigh-stepmom-home-Interview-casts-doubt

The sheriff's office also has said Ronald Cummings and Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, have been cleared of suspicion in connection with the child's disappearance.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/22/news/news01.txt

police have cleared Ronald and Haleigh’s biological mother, Crystal Sheffield, as suspects in the case of their missing child
http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/08/misty-cummings-brother-quizzed-haleigh-siting/

As I said,
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No one has been cleared except the A/C man.

The reason you see people saying Ron has been cleared is because, in August, LE released a statement saying Ron and Crystal were "not considered suspects" (which we all know is worth very little). That day, several people in the media who reported on that announcement changed the words "not considered a suspect" to "cleared," and they still do.

The only statement close to official about it since LE said they weren't "considered suspects" was from Ron's lawyer, who said three weeks ago, after Misty had failed the polys, that Ron has not been cleared, but was moved from top to bottom of the suspect list.
A paraphrase by a reporter is not equivalent to a statement by LE. Reporters have been writing things like you quoted since the day LE said "not considered suspects."

If you can get a statement from LE or his lawyer saying he's cleared, please do let us know!
 
If we'd have to walk in someone's shoes in order to have an opinion about them, most of us couldn't post about practically anybody. I've never been missing, beaten up, addicted to drugs, murdered, I've never robbed banks, killed babies, attempted to shoot mailmen, forged checks, called in a false tip... etcetera. How should I know how it feels? Hope I never will.

My son never married the person who was the last to see my granddaughter either so please consider this an uninformed opinion but I think TN must be in a very difficult spot if she has suspicions of Misty since she's her new DIL. It can't be easy to voice any of her doubts if she's not quite sure why her son married her. But maybe she was behind the plan, it was her Bday party he proposed in, wasn't it? And she seemed quite enthusiastic in the beginning.


But if TN has been placed in a difficult spot no one put her there but herself. Whatever reasons or excuses TN used to make the choice to support her son or keep her voice silent, she has chosen her side and it wasn't for Haleigh. The little girl, her granddaughter who was abducted over seven months ago and has no one fight for her.

Novice Seeker
IMO
 
Exactly as I wrote, My Parental Opinion. The old worn out excuse, of unless walked in someone's shoes, is IMO an attempt to justify another's behavior.I don't need to put my hand on a hot stove before I can believe that not only is it hot but it's going to hurt like heck. Just as I don't need to have one of my children or future grandchildren abducted before I can form an opinion of how I would behave or how and what I would do if LE specifically told me the last person who was responsible for the safety of my offspring has failed to give consistent statements and has failed numerous LDT's.
I know that my only purpose would be to find my loved one which would include getting all the correct and truthful information to LE in a very short period of time, such as days. I know without a doubt that some of us would be having a get to know JESUS meeting very shortly after the abduction.
And I also know my actions, words and behaviors would be very obvious to everyone that my loyalty belonged only to the victim, my loved one who had been abducted.

I don't claim to have any insider info about what TN said or not, did or not, knew or not in forming my opinion. My opinion is just that.

Novice Seeker

I acknowledged that it was your parental opinion, I was asking if you were basing it on anything (facts) other than your "opinion", I wasn't stating you weren't entitled to your opinions. IMO we are all entitled to our opinions. LOL. Sometimes people base their opinions on facts they have, sometimes they don't. Just asking.

I understand parental opinion that she has chosen her side, she is RCs mother, but then you went on to state "and withheld any information she may have been aware of" it wasn't clear to me if that was still under the umbrella of "parental opinion" or you were stating it more as a fact. Personally I've never seen anything to lead me to believe she's withheld information, just thought maybe I've missed something important that would lead a person to state that a grandmother may be involved in something as heinous as withholding info in the investigation into her granddaughter's disappearance.
 
I acknowledged that it was your parental opinion, I was asking if you were basing it on anything (facts) other than your "opinion", I wasn't stating you weren't entitled to your opinions. IMO we are all entitled to our opinions. LOL. Sometimes people base their opinions on facts they have, sometimes they don't. Just asking.

I understand parental opinion that she has chosen her side, she is RCs mother, but then you went on to state "and withheld any information she may have been aware of" it wasn't clear to me if that was still under the umbrella of "parental opinion" or you were stating it more as a fact. Personally I've never seen anything to lead me to believe she's withheld information, just thought maybe I've missed something important that would lead a person to state that a grandmother may be involved in something as heinous as withholding info in the investigation into her granddaughter's disappearance.

I don't claim any knowledge about what info she may have or withhold, but I can see where TN, with her steadfast public support of a person who is withholding information, according to LE, might give the impression that she doesn't think it too heinous to withhold info in the investigation into her granddaughter's disappearance.
 
As I said,
A paraphrase by a reporter is not equivalent to a statement by LE. Reporters have been writing things like you quoted since the day LE said "not considered suspects."

If you can get a statement from LE or his lawyer saying he's cleared, please do let us know!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree because we don't know if the wording change was due to three separate reporter's misinterpreting the same phrase or what statements/interviews (verbally or otherwise) LE has given the press that they were basing the language on.

I will be happy to provide the statement if I come across it. Re: BBM I didn't realize this was an "us" or "them" kind of thing.
 
As I said,
A paraphrase by a reporter is not equivalent to a statement by LE. Reporters have been writing things like you quoted since the day LE said "not considered suspects."

If you can get a statement from LE or his lawyer saying he's cleared, please do let us know!

The reporter is reporting a statement made by law enforcement. If the LE statement was misquoted, representatives of the sheriff's office could and would make another statement, written or verbal, to correct the record. Both biological parents have been "cleared of suspicion". Reporters lose sources and access to law enforcement information if they misquote, misattribute, or skew information that comes from those sources. It may be that the statement given by LE was not particularly quotable or that LE asked the reporters not to quote the statement directly.

Reporters do make mistakes, and particularly in cases where there is breaking news--but not in a situation in which LE is interested in making public that the parents are cleared. That tells everyone involved in the case that the investigation has moved beyond the innermost family ring (biological parents) and is now moving outward to other family members, friends, neighbors, acquaintances, and strangers. As such, this statement is very significant, not to a discussion over which parent is "better," but to finding out who took Haleigh and why. If LE has moved the investigation past Ron and Crystal, we should, also. And if new information comes to light about either bio parent, everyone can reconsider.

That should be good news as the worst fate imaginable for a child would be to die at the hands of his or her own parent.
 
I don't claim any knowledge about what info she may have or withhold, but I can see where TN, with her steadfast public support of a person who is withholding information, according to LE, might give the impression that she doesn't think it too heinous to withhold info in the investigation into her granddaughter's disappearance.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree since we don't really know what is in TN's head, what is driving her "steadfast public support" or exactly what information Misty is really withholding.

Teresa also stated, rather emphatically,

"And I don`t care who had something to do with it. Those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home."

Miss Nancy, we would love to have a break in this case, and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings Haleigh back to us.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html
 
What if it won't bring Haleigh home? Would she care about who it implicates then?

What information might TN think it's ok for her DIL to withhold?
 
IMO, TN is allot like CA...........just not as mean.
TN doesn't stick up for Haleigh and CA never stuck up for Caylee.
IMO, there is allot of simularities here.
 
I guess we will have to agree to disagree since we don't really know what is in TN's head, what is driving her "steadfast public support" or exactly what information Misty is really withholding.

Teresa also stated, rather emphatically,

"And I don`t care who had something to do with it. Those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home."

Miss Nancy, we would love to have a break in this case, and we really would not care who it implicates as long as it brings Haleigh back to us.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html

Guess what I love about this conversation, the constant using of the "Parental Opinion" argument, but it's totally ignored, dis-honored and not given the same right and acknowledgement for TN that all are claiming is their right to even have these opinions.

So lets go with this. TN is the parent of Ron. It is her parental right and of the opinion that he is a good father to his custodial children, whom she plays a big daily role in their lives. You can't have it both ways. Claim parental this, but not give TN her due rightful place as Ron's Mother and Grandmother of these children. It's not separate entities. It's a mindset, state of the heart matter. TN is acting respectively and accordingly about this situation concerning her son Ron as any parent would here over their own children.

If TN acted any differently, the argument would be adversary for another reason or two. When in all actuality, TN is doing what any parent would do, support her son and family during a difficult time. God be with TN.
 
I guess we will have to agree to disagree because we don't know if the wording change was due to three separate reporter's misinterpreting the same phrase or what statements/interviews (verbally or otherwise) LE has given the press that they were basing the language on.

I will be happy to provide the statement if I come across it. Re: BBM I didn't realize this was an "us" or "them" kind of thing.
By "us," I was referring to all of us.
The reporter is reporting a statement made by law enforcement. If the LE statement was misquoted, representatives of the sheriff's office could and would make another statement, written or verbal, to correct the record. Both biological parents have been "cleared of suspicion". Reporters lose sources and access to law enforcement information if they misquote, misattribute, or skew information that comes from those sources. It may be that the statement given by LE was not particularly quotable or that LE asked the reporters not to quote the statement directly.

Reporters do make mistakes, and particularly in cases where there is breaking news--but not in a situation in which LE is interested in making public that the parents are cleared. That tells everyone involved in the case that the investigation has moved beyond the innermost family ring (biological parents) and is now moving outward to other family members, friends, neighbors, acquaintances, and strangers. As such, this statement is very significant, not to a discussion over which parent is "better," but to finding out who took Haleigh and why. If LE has moved the investigation past Ron and Crystal, we should, also. And if new information comes to light about either bio parent, everyone can reconsider.

That should be good news as the worst fate imaginable for a child would be to die at the hands of his or her own parent.
Even Ron's own lawyer said he was not cleared just three weeks ago, and yet reporters had been misreporting that he was cleared since the day the actual statement I cited was issued.

It's very simple to observe that the first times they used the word "cleared" was when they reported on the statement by LE that actually said "not considered suspects."

Finally, while I very much agree that the difference is critical, many reporters do not grasp the significance. Because of that and the fact that LE often prefers to understate their suspicions to keep suspects off-guard, I do not agree that a reporter would have to worry too much about consequences for confusing the two.



ETA: I'm off, and don't want to belabor the discussion any further, as it's not about Teresa.
 
What if it won't bring Haleigh home? Would she care about who it implicates then?

What information might TN think it's ok for her DIL to withhold?

I don't believe TN would withhold any information, all she wants is HaLeigh back home
 
I suppose it's our parental right and sometimes a duty to try to support and help our children even if they're acting like dorks but JMO any parents who think it's okay for their sons and daughters to bring drug users who lie to LE into the family fold to take care of minors are not doing their grandchildren any favors.

Maybe TN didn't think so, maybe she's vehemently opposed to it but just can't say because Ron would be mad at her.
 
I don't know any Mother that would put her young un's business in the street, good or bad. A good Mother deals with her family problems in private, not out in the public.
 
That should be good news as the worst fate imaginable for a child would be to die at the hands of his or her own parent.


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Yes, I agree..And I cannot even begin to imagine what Haleigh's last thoughts may have been on that tragic afternoon...I highly suspect Haleigh now resides in a place where fear no longer exists... Just love..and forgiveness..JMO

However, for those she left behind and are responsible or are covering for the person responsible, fear will consume them..They will never experience healihg or know peace until the truth is revealed...JMO
 
I suppose it's our parental right and sometimes a duty to try to support and help our children even if they're acting like dorks but JMO any parents who think it's okay for their sons and daughters to bring drug users who lie to LE into the family fold to take care of minors are not doing their grandchildren any favors.

Maybe TN didn't think so, maybe she's vehemently opposed to it but just can't say because Ron would be mad at her.

JMO, I don't think LE has said exactly what they believe happened that weekend with Misty, or when or if the family was told all of the details. I know it is repeated here as if it's gospel, but I haven't seen LE comment on it. I am not convinced Misty is lying, or that she is a regular drug user, maybe TN shares my opinion. She has shown enormous restraint imo
 
I don't know any Mother that would put her young un's business in the street, good or bad. A good Mother deals with her family problems in private, not out in the public.

Would you lie that you love your young un's business, it's the best thing evah, if you truly don't think it's a good idea, or would you avoid commenting or say something neutral?
 
Would you lie that you love your young un's business, it's the best thing evah, if you truly don't think it's a good idea, or would you avoid commenting or say something neutral?

We don't know her reasons for what she says or does.
 
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