Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #10 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

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Not "similarly." The two conspiracy theories you posted in the same post contradict each other. If TT wasn't run over at all, how could he have been run over by a police car?

There weren't any conspiracy theories in my post, just reference to two accounts from people who said they witnessed something in relation to the shootout, a resident where it happened and someone from the medical team at the hospital.

By "similarly" what I meant was that both witness accounts were similarly contradictory to the account given by LE, not that they were similar to each other.
 
Are 19 year olds so immature that they arecompletely insensitive to violence and savagery of this nature? Really? Then why are they voting...drinking...serving in our military...adult enough to make many decisons on their own? They should be under adult control until they are fully equipped with human empathy.

If a 19 yr old commits a war crime in some Muslim nation, we should justsend him home to Mommy with a reprimand? Because he is too immature to understand that bombs kill and maim...and friends who bomb and kill might hurt MORE people?

Agreed. This crime was NOT simply knocking over a mail box with a bat---this was murder and terrorism. People have lost limbs over this crime. A complete nightmare for all of the victims and their families. TT and DT were adults. All involved have to pay for their crimes--no excuses. Too many young men are running amok and causing misery. They need to be stopped. JMO
 
That's something Russia doesn't have," he told his local newspaper, "You have a chance to make money here if you are willing to work." John Allan, owner of Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts Boston where Tamerlan used to train remembers – at least, back in those early days – a respectful, disciplined young lad, and a brilliant fighter.

"He was the best boxer in Boston, He smoked all the professionals," Mr Allan told the Boston Globe, adding that boy's father

Tamerlan concentrated hard on his boxing, aspiring to compete in the Olympics and to fight for the US rather than Russia.

On the way to the gym, he poses in front of his Mercedes car in brilliant-white moccasins, black trousers, carrying the accessories – from sunglasses to smart phone – that American kids dream of.

IMO, D E A L I N G !

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...naevs-hateful-rage-behind-American-dream.html
 
....but those kind of killers are totally different IMO,they do it for their own sick,twisted gratification.....terrorists think what they're doing is actually righteous and justified,I just don't understand.....

They consider themselves at war. That is what happens when everyone thinks their right and the other side is wrong. The people who are killed are just collateral damage in their fight for "the right way".

I don't agree with terrorism and I don't agree with war (which is difficult since I have been a military wife for 11 years), but I can see that they think they are right and we are wrong. We think we are right and they are wrong. Our army goes to another country, shoots, boms and kick in doors. We feel we have that right because we we are at war and our troops are our combatants. I assume that since they are waging a war, they feel that they are their combatants.
 
because he had arrived in the US at a younger age, he showed no such signs of having difficulty settling down, being remembered by a plethora of school and university friends as a gregarious, fun-loving character who spoke accentless English, enjoyed socialising and was an admired leader on the school wrestling team.

He was one of 45 high-school seniors to receive a $2,500 scholarship
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Everyone all mad about this - at the time he deserved it it was an honor -- all people have capacity to change if other things add up)

"He was happy to be there, and people were happy he was there," Sierra Schwartz, now 20, told the New York Times. "He was accepted and very well liked

"Everything about him was wonderful," added Larry Aaronson, a retired history teacher at Cambridge Rindge and Latin School. "He was completely outgoing, very engaged, he loved the school. He was grateful not to be in Chechnya."

He was nice. He was cool. I'm just in shock," said 19-year-old Florida Addy, who lived in his dorm.

"To be quite honest, he was one of the nicest kids I know," Zachary Boyer who lived two doors down from Dzhokhar told USA Today,

IMO, the younger one is a sad sad story....................







http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...naevs-hateful-rage-behind-American-dream.html
 
Above BBM

IMO, any person with a conscience (regardless of ideology) would have never detonated those bombs.

Well, that breaks down a bit when you consider what 'conscience' is all about--and it can definitely involve ideology. I'll preface this by making it clear that I personally think the act of detonating those bombs was truly unconscionable. But, if someone truly has an allegiance to a Higher Power (and that's a big IF), and IF they truly believe that Higher Power is/was commanding them to attack a designated 'enemy,' then, for them, they might suffer their own sort of weird guilt for not doing what they felt had been defined as glorified and 'right' for them to do. IOW, your ideology (especially if it's a theology) defines your sense of right/wrong. Example: Joshua in the Old Testament and the conquest of Israel ('the Promised Land') from all the Hittites, Midianites, and other-ites living there. Joshua was and is revered as a man of God by Jews and Christians alike today. But I bet, if any of those [presumably escaped] Hittites had Internet, there may have been some moms and grandmoms chatting up their message boards about how they didn't see how "anyone who could attack and plunder their city, killing men, women AND children, could 'have a conscience.'"

The Tsarnaev brothers may or may not have had sociopathic tendencies - but the fact that they also had a religious ideology muddles the question a bit for me as far as determining if they had any conscience whatsoever. JMHO
 
Well we probably haven't heard about gaming b/c even hearing about them watching a movie was incidental to gathering info for a timeline. My guess would be that they, like most other 18-19yr. old males in this day and age, probably did their fair share of gaming, too. But, of course, that's not said to invite discussion about whether movies/gaming can 'cause' terrorism. Please don't let us go there in this thread... ;)
No, its about current events! Homles had gaming , Lanza had gaming. Luka there is nothing along thses lines with all these guys, intersting
 
CARRIS, maybe you could make it clear what is a quote and what is not. As you've put it, it might make one suspect that "dealing" was a part of the story
 
They consider themselves at war. That is what happens when everyone thinks their right and the other side is wrong. The people who are killed are just collateral damage in thei rfight for "the right way".

I don't agree with terrorism and I don't agree with war (which is difficult since I have been a military wife for 11 years), but I can see that they think they are right and we are wrong. We think we are right and they are wrong. Our army goes to another country, shoots, boms and kick in doors. We feel we have that right because we we are at war and our troops are our combatants. I assume that since they are waging a war, they feel that they are their combatants.
Thats so cool , I wrote this in WOrd a couple days ago and forgot to post it! I try to use word to clean up typing most of the time!

What did they do? They came into our country, they inflicted death upon mothers, brothers, fathers, friends, children, they instilled fear, they messed with our way of life, they paralyzed the 10th largest city in our land, they impacted our economy (estimates for the medical bill for everyone $9 million –don’t remember link). We call this terrorism. They call it war.


We’re doing the same. We are inflicting death upon people’s mothers, brothers, fathers, friends, children, instilling fear in people of other lands, messing with other countries’ economies, destroying their infrastructure. The only difference being we do it in a lot more societies, with much more immunity, with better equipment, we do it longer, we do it with more lethality, and we do it with more staff.

We call it war. They call it terrorism.

Bombs of war do nothing different than bombs of terrorism.
 
No, its about current events! Homles had gaming , Lanza had gaming. Luka there is nothing along thses lines with all these guys, intersting

I have seen only a few quotes from friends with regards to DT & video games & nothing with regards to TT. Remembering back to some of the other murderers that you mentioned, their gaming practices were almost immediately brought into the "picture".
 
It seems all the investigating is being focused around DT and his friends. The friends are little fish in the pond. Every piece counts but what is happening in the investigation on TT's involvement?

Lets not get side tracked - TT is where the big issues are, IMO.

Something is just not right in this investigation - and I am not saying a conspiracy.

He hasn't been forgotten, remember there's a whole team of FBI in Dagestan working on that angle.
 
So the bombs were built in Tamerlan's appartment. Did KR live there at the time? We have never been able to establish where exactly she and her daughter lived. Did she never see a thing? It's unbelievable.
 
I have seen only a few quotes from friends with regards to DT & video games & nothing with regards to TT. Remembering back to some of the other murderers that you mentioned, their gaming practices were almost immediately brought into the "picture".
TY That is exactly what I was trying to say!
 
Well, that breaks down a bit when you consider what 'conscience' is all about--and it can definitely involve ideology. I'll preface this by making it clear that I personally think the act of detonating those bombs was truly unconscionable. But, if someone truly has an allegiance to a Higher Power (and that's a big IF), and IF they truly believe that Higher Power is/was commanding them to attack a designated 'enemy,' then, FOR THEM, they might suffer their own sort of weird guilt for NOT doing what they felt had been defined as glorified and 'right' for them to do. IOW, your ideology (especially if it's a theology) defines your sense of right/wrong. Example: Joshua in the Old Testament and the conquest of Israel ('the Promised Land') from all the Hittites, Midianites, and other-ites living there. Joshua was and is revered as a man of God by Jews and Christians alike today. But I bet, if any of those [presumably escaped] Hittites had Internet, there may have been some moms and grandmoms chatting up their message boards about how they didn't see how "anyone who could attack and plunder their city, killing men, women AND children, could 'have a conscience.'"

The Tsarnaev brothers may or may not have had sociopathic tendencies - but the fact that they also had a religious ideology muddles the question a bit for me as far as determining if they had any conscience whatsoever. JMHO
I do not think they had sociopathology IMO Its a belief system not an illiness! IMO
 
Sadly, there are some college students who are just immature and warped enough that they might see terroristic ideology as 'romantic'--in the historic, ideological sense, of course. Admitting that some might have those bizarre notions doesn't equate to validating them. Some might have them because they've never been exposed to it so it can take on whatever idealistic unreality they want to attribute to it. But others might have them because they, with family and friends, were exposed to terrorism as a way of life and being 'nationalistic' at an early age. I'd say DT probably aligned himself that way, though he was characteristically more private and quiet. He also idolized an older brother who held 'romantic' notions of dying for the Lion of Allah, and unfortunately both as children were exposed to some of the worst that terrorism could offer in their village. I believe that some who grow up with it CAN be desensitized psychologically to it, unfortunately. Even if they come to America and pretend to be 'normal.' The damage has been done.

Above BBM

Apparently, there ARE some college students who DO believe the bolded portion of your post, as is evidenced by TT, DT, and DT's recently arrested friends.

My point was that it's not indicative of the majority of college students in DT's cohort. For some reason, my input was shot down, while the idea of a "romantic, cool" terrorist ideology was supported as a justification for the 3 who've been arrested recently.

BTW, I deleted my OP, before I saw that it had been quoted multiple times. Now I wish I would have left it up. I stand by my opinion.

I don't need to be schooled about the possible motivations of terrorists. I'm well-versed on the history of the Middle East, and am trying to learn about Eastern Europe/Russia.

I disagree with many of the US government's actions in the Middle East & elsewhere in the world, but that's a topic for a member's only thread.

Furthermore, if anyone presumes to know the minds of the terrorists or their evidence-hiding friends when offering theories as to why they may have done such-and-such, it would be helpful to include something along the lines of "I don't agree with their possible motivations". Otherwise, it appears as if excuses are being made.
 
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-plotted-july-4-attack-investigators-say?lite

His body has gone to a Funeral Home:
"Meanwhile the body of Tamerlan Tsarnaev was moved to funeral home on Thursday evening at the request of family members, according the Massachusetts Medical Examiner’s Office.

Soon after receiving the body the funeral home then must file a death certificate, which would make public Tsarnaev’s cause of death."
 
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