Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #9 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/u...lan-tsarnaev-reeled.html?ref=global-home&_r=0

4 page article, some snippets below.

Combing their lives for clues, the authorities have focused on Mr. Tsarnaev’s six-month trip to Dagestan, Russia, last year. But in Cambridge, sitting on the front steps of the ramshackle, brown-shingled house where the Tsarnaev family lived for a decade, their 79-year-old landlady urged a longer lens.

“He certainly wasn’t radicalized in Dagestan,” the landlady, Joanna Herlihy, said.
He seemed isolated, too. For the last year, he, his wife and his child were the only Tsarnaevs living full time in the three-bedroom apartment on Ms. Herlihy’s third floor.

He grew a five-inch beard, which he shaved off before the bombings, and interrupted prayers at his mosque on two occasions with outbursts denouncing the idea that Muslims should observe American secular holidays. He engaged neighbors in affable conversations about skiing one week and heated ones about American imperialism the next.

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Very interesting article, well worth the read. Thank you!

But why would Ms. Herlihy say "He certainly wasn’t radicalized in Dagestan"? The article says she "declined to elaborate". Pity. She knew this family for many years, her take on his descent into radicalism would have interested me.
 
Linsky is planning on running for District Attorney for Middlesex County. Its all politics.


This doesn't matter to me - I'm an MA resident and if his politically motivated statements are outraged on behalf of MA taxpayers for the terrorist's use of our State funded benefits, I'm in agreement with him. They accepted Massachusetts money while plotting to murder the same people who funded their existence. IMO, whatever Linsky's motivation, he's speaking the thoughts and feelings of a lot of his constituency.
 
State Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick) sent a letter to MassHealth yesterday, requesting the agency also share any subsidized health insurance Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, received.

“I will not let it go,” Linsky told the Herald. “I’m appalled that possible public money could have been used in these activities. Someone has to stand up for the people injured and killed.”

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_politics/2013/04/pol_vows_to_open_welfare_records

While the law forbids identifying welfare recipients, legal experts have told the Herald a 1984 Supreme Judicial Court ruling makes an exception in cases of “public interest.”
Linsky vowed: “I’m not going to let an arcane privacy act stand in the way.”

Ever since hearing that the State was citing privacy and confidentiality re: the specific social welfare that the T families received, I kept thinking there is no confidentiality in regards to certain benefits to adults. When using a food stamp card it is done in public and any clerk and the customers are capable of seeing it. The health info, well, I suppose that would fall under HIPPA rules, whatever, but not food stamps or in the case of Section 8 housing which is often public knowledge. In the case of Welfare fraud (claiming you have no income when you actually do) then it would seem, having broken the law, that too would become a matter of public record.
 
From the article:

State Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick) sent a letter to MassHealth yesterday, requesting the agency also share any subsidized health insurance Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, received.

Subsidized health insurance programs don't dole out cash. Recipients enroll in a health insurance plan, are issued an insurance card for each qualifying member, and receive healthcare within the policy guidelines of the subsidized healthcare plan.

Rep. Linsky is requesting docs related to subsidized health insurance benefits. The docs related to food stamps & cash benefits had already been delivered, according to this article:

Linsky, chairman of the House Post Audit and Oversight Committee, said welfare officials yesterday delivered 200 pages of documents on benefits the Tsarnaev family received, including food stamps and cash from the state and federally funded Transitional Aid to Families with Dependent Children program, which assists families with children and pregnant women.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_politics/2013/04/pol_vows_to_open_welfare_records


Also, in reading the entire article and the comments quoted in context, it's clear that he didn't say Health benefits funded terror attacks, but that he wants ALL paperwork dealing with ALL funded benefits - including health benefits, which were initially left out - to get a complete picture of how government finances were used to fund this terrorist family.
 
IMO, State Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick) is coming off as a bit hysterical (I say this as a non-partisan who identifies with no political party).

Good gawd - I wonder if he fervently pounded the desk as he exclaimed "I'm appalled!!!"

The state-funded health benefits Tamerlan, his wife, & baby daughter received were probably mostly used by the baby to receive wellness check-ups, immunizations, and medical care for common illnesses infants/toddlers experience. Every child deserves healthcare.

I think this dude needs to take a chill pill.

As you pointed out, Thinkhard, it's not as if these 2 terrorists built their bombs with subsidized health insurance. Good grief.

Maybe not, but if they had to pay for health care, food and 100% of their housing with their own monies then maybe they wouldn't have had enough left over for the little extra like,hundreds of $$$ worth of fireworks, backpacks, batteries, pressure cookers, a 9MM, a BB Gun, S pipes, laptops, cell phones, remote control devices, the list goes on & on. (And I didn't even mention the designer clothes...knock off or not.)

Because they didn't have to pay upwards to $500 a month in health insurance, upwards to $600 a month in food, and likely got at the very least a rent subsidy then any monies that he and KRT made were basically for clothes, car insurance, and the little extras.

However, I'd be willing to bet that they didn't carry car insurance unless MA has a required uninsured fund which drivers with no insurance must pay a fee toward in order to get their license renewed.
 
Also, in reading the entire article and the comments quoted in context, it's clear that he didn't say Health benefits funded terror attacks, but that he wants ALL paperwork dealing with ALL funded benefits - including health benefits, which were initially left out - to get a complete picture of how government finances were used to fund this terrorist family.

Maybe not, but if they had to pay for health care, food and 100% of their housing with their own monies then maybe they wouldn't have had enough left over for the little extra like, backpacks, batteries, pressure cookers, a 9MM, a BB Gun, S pipes, laptops, cell phones, remote control devices, the list goes on & on. (And I didn't even mention the designer clothes...knock off or not.)

Because they didn't have to pay upwards to $500 a month in health insurance, upwards to $600 a month in food, and likely got at the very least a rent subsidy then any monies that he and KRT made was basically for clothes, car insurance, and the little extras.

However, I'd be willing to bet that they didn't carry car insurance unless MA has a required uninsured fund which drivers with no insurance must pay a fee toward and still get their license renewed.


Yes, exactly. The health insurance is part of the overall picture of how this guy not only had the time to sit on his duff doing nothing but thinking hateful thoughts on my dime but also to build the weapons of hate to use against the hand that feeds him. I don't care what motivations someone may or may not have in digging this information up. The newspapers (WITH AN 'S') are also digging into it, and the newspapers in Boston are pretty diametrically opposed in terms of their usual stance on things. This *is* an issue of public interest, like it or not. It *will* affect people's opinions going forward, and that is an absolutely fair and reasonable expectation. I'm **GLAD** this information is becoming public.
 
He engaged neighbors in affable conversations about skiing one week and heated ones about American imperialism the next.

"American Imperialism"....cry me a river. A 2 minute youtube video and a few slaps to the head would have set him straight. Everyone that is capable will conquer other territories.


Truly great short video:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjzq9i2yzI8"]A Brief History of Conquest - YouTube[/ame]
 
Yes, exactly. The health insurance is part of the overall picture of how this guy not only had the time to sit on his duff doing nothing but thinking hateful thoughts on my dime but also to build the weapons of hate to use against the hand that feeds him. I don't care what motivations someone may or may not have in digging this information up. The newspapers (WITH AN 'S') are also digging into it, and the newspapers in Boston are pretty diametrically opposed in terms of their usual stance on things. This *is* an issue of public interest, like it or not. It *will* affect people's opinions going forward, and that is an absolutely fair and reasonable expectation. I'm **GLAD** this information is becoming public.
The people deserve to know this, it is their money not the states.
 
It is if you add the room & board, books, fees and the student has no discernible income. So far, it has been reported that DT got about $2,500, in total, for a scholarship...no reports have said that it was renewable for two, three or four years or if so if it was dependent on maintaining a certain GPA and course load, whatever.

student loans cover a lot.
 
Not living in MA I can't or won't comment on the gentleman's motive for looking into how healthcare money was spent.

I would say any investigation would be better spent on a large look at the overall picture, not just these two individuals.

I thinks it's safe to say for just about anyplace in the USA these two are not the first two criminals to be receiving state/federal aid of some form while engaged in illegal activities
 
Oh Capri... My oh my how I LOVE sleuthing with youuuuu! Have you googled the name? Hint - it's short for a larger name...

:blowkiss:

he had a lot of viewers on his youtube. up to 135,000 for one of them. another one, since deleted, called Terrorists.
 
More and more it's seeming he's self radicalized. If Russia had info on his activities over there they wouldn't have to ask what he was doing in the states.

Since Chechen rebels are at odds with Russia they would have picked him up not let him come back to the States and certainly they would have done something on his second trip to Russia. Sounds like the Russians found zero on him there just like the feds here found nothing of substance and we all know the Russians are much more likely to investigate with no regards to his "rights"

IMO Any ties to an organization will probably be in the USA and probably a very small group with very loose knit affiliations to a larger known group.

The one common denominator among terror groups is they want people to know what they did and so far the only one's taking credit were the bombers telling their carjack victim.

I disagree. I really think TT participated in attacks in Chechnya. He was experienced enough to pull this off. I really don't think you could do this successfully the first time with no training or other experience/practice. I think he caught the "bug" and brought it back here.
 
The fact that with very little effort WS members found these two seemingly unrelated stories of radicalized young men, with what sound like Russian last names, and then we are attacked by the T brothers begs the question: Is there an organized effort to radicalize Russian-born young men and to promote attacks in Canada & the US?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/20/dagestan/

"But in an interview with the National Post, Mr. Plotnikov confirmed William’s death and spoke for the first time about his son’s rapid transformation from Toronto teenager and champion boxer to Muslim convert and jihadist fighter.

What seemed to amaze Mr. Plotnikov most was how fast it all happened. His son only became interested in Islam in 2009, he said. Within a year, he had left Canada and by July he was dead. He had gone from convert to martyr in less than three years.

and then this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by stmarysmead View Post
Just eight days before three people were killed and more than 260 people were injured in the Boston Marathon bombing, a Ukrainian student was arrested in New Jersey carrying two homemade devices.
Rutgers student Mykyta Panasenko, 27, was arrested in Hoboken on April 7 aboard a NJ Transit train bound for Suffern, New York. He was carrying two improvised explosive devices, according to police.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2RWoQK67e
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I disagree. I really think TT participated in attacks in Chechnya. He was experienced enough to pull this off. I really don't think you could do this successfully the first time with no training or other experience/practice. I think he caught the "bug" and brought it back here.


I don't know - he made a bomb and detonated it. Middle school kids have set off pipe bombs. Also, TT was an astoundingly naive seeming terrorist. He didn't write a manifesto as far as we know. He didn't publicize his agenda as far as we know. He apparently didn't expect to get noticed on camera, but didn't make an attempt to disguise himself. He had to carjack and hold a dude up at gunpoint just to get funding for his next step. And when he tried to suicide by cop they just tackled him - and then he was run over by his partner. I'd think if he had training from serious rebels he wouldn't have blundered his way through the Boston attack so haphazardly on a shoestring budget with almost no plan for what comes next except via impulsive conversation later. And, I mean, thank god for that.

The news experts (linked upthread, such as Maajid Nawaz: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22307804) say that first generation immigrants from this area self-radicalizing because of lack of identity, etc., are becoming more common. Not parts of huge terror cells. They use radical Islam as an identity to put on when they feel displaced. it takes the place of large terror cells, is what he said if I paraphrase. But he did say they often encounter a "charismatic radical" either via youtube or in person who inspires them and gives them direction.

Student loans? Do you know if either of them had outstanding student loans. All that I know of so far was the $2500 scholarship.

I don't know, but I've written ever few pages - UMassD is not very expensive - think of a commuter college, or a community college, except with dorms. Most of the students I teach there are on the lower income side, often first generation in their family to go to college, often working full time jobs on the side to stay afloat. The cost quoted on the webpage is not the cost the students will likely pay after the University financial aid office offers them various "scholarships" and grants that are often need-based. This is before the $2500 given to him by Cambridge. If DT had no parents in the US, and no household income save welfare, chances are he didn't pay much at all to attend.
 
Maybe not, but if they had to pay for health care, food and 100% of their housing with their own monies then maybe they wouldn't have had enough left over for the little extra like,hundreds of $$$ worth of fireworks, backpacks, batteries, pressure cookers, a 9MM, a BB Gun, S pipes, laptops, cell phones, remote control devices, the list goes on & on. (And I didn't even mention the designer clothes...knock off or not.)

Because they didn't have to pay upwards to $500 a month in health insurance, upwards to $600 a month in food, and likely got at the very least a rent subsidy then any monies that he and KRT made were basically for clothes, car insurance, and the little extras.

However, I'd be willing to bet that they didn't carry car insurance unless MA has a required uninsured fund which drivers with no insurance must pay a fee toward in order to get their license renewed.

Excellent post, not wanting to come across as rude, but here in Canada on our News Channel, they posted a picture of Katherine, on her way out of her Parent's Home with her Mother still all dressed with the Head Dress, sorry I forget the correct term, and dressed in a long Black Gown or Dress, my question is, would her parents not have talks with her and try to tell her not to wear those garments anymore, it only brings more attention to her, because, as this excellent poster said, they took and took, and just made sure that they had what they wanted, so whatever Faith she is portraying I feel it is in bad taste! Just my thoughts!
 
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