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<<Whisper...you can play with the math all day if you want, but it does not matter when he called his family and what time they arrived!! We do know it was AFTER Haleigh was found to be missing. PERIOD. LE knows exactly when Ronald called them due to his phone records and probably Teresa's phone records, too.>>

Btw~ That is a ridiculous statement that she needed to take time to "be shocked" and "have some words". GMAB.
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As much as I enjoy your critique, I have to say that residing in the logic-free zone takes a toll on people. If the heart and feeling is the only think used to solve or sleuth a case than it can't be done because eventually, facts are going to mess you up.

After digesting the first and last sentences of the post, I am making my final wish for "fairy dust" and "Ruby slippers" so I can leave OZ.
 
It wasn't an opinion about the times...it is a fact which came directly from LE, but people for some reason do not want to believe them. (shaking my head)

LOL There goes the head shaking.

It WAS a fact when it was reported. LE has not reported much in a long time. We do not know if this is still their timeline. But you know this - it's been discussed over and over again. I see no point in going further with you on this discussion. Enjoy your evening.
 
Has anyone considered when you hear RC in the background on the 911 call mentioning his gf he could be talking on his phone at that time to his mother and telling her that Haleigh is missing? He then sets the phone down and a few minutes later is looking for the phone to make more calls but doesnt remember where he set it down.
 
<<<Has anyone considered when you hear RC in the background on the 911 call mentioning his gf he could be talking on his phone at that time to his mother and telling her that Haleigh is missing? He then sets the phone down and a few minutes later is looking for the phone to make more calls but doesnt remember where he set it down>>>>


Did I read that right?....."Mentioning his gf?".....very kind and very much minimizing.

I think screaming, cursing and verbally assaulting her would be more like it. You can throw in screaming, cursing and abusing the dispatch person too.

Do you think I considered that R was making calls while doing that? not before you suggested it...I have now though. Do I think that he called his momma and gma during this time of verbal assault.....NO!
 
TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH CUMMINGS PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: He called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

NEVES: He called me 3:27, 3:28.

VAN SUSTEREN: So right after the 911 call? Right before?

NEVES: I believe that she was on with 911 when he called me.

911 CALL: (INAUDIBLE)

NEVES: He was in a panic.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502766,00.html

IMO I would not of been calm on the phone call either. I would be screaming, crying and everything else as well. Maybe they need to offer classes on how to behave moments after you find out your child is missing, because apparently for some being upset yelling and cussing means you are guilty.
 
This is when it would be soooo helpful to have phone records...sigh.

Let's see, AS says TN called her at 3:50, right ? So, TN would've already been at the mh. Did TN witness RC trying to call AS, or did she ask him if he had already called his grandmother ?

Assuming AS can move as quickly as TN claims she can, AS' earliest arrival at the scene would've been 4:00 and LE had been there about 20 min. Do we know if and/or when roadblocks on Green Lane went up ?

I want to know how RC called 2 people at the 911 call. He was looking for his phone during the 911 call. If he found it later (after the call) then TN was in the immediate area when she arrived.

GGMa says RC called her also...she missed his call and got TN's at 3:50. That means RC had to also call GGMA after 3:33.

The phone calls by RC is more suspicious than what GGMA is saying about her arrival. I have no problem with her being there. I just want to know at what time she looked in the closets.

Could it have been around 7:00pm and not at 4:00am?

Has anyone considered when you hear RC in the background on the 911 call mentioning his gf he could be talking on his phone at that time to his mother and telling her that Haleigh is missing? He then sets the phone down and a few minutes later is looking for the phone to make more calls but doesnt remember where he set it down.

I don't see how it could happen in this pretty way you put it, Busy. Given the verbal abuse Misty endured, the name calling and the yelling WHILE SHE IS ON THE PHONE WITH 911, I can't relegate that to a "mention"....she was being intimidated.

Misty calls 911 at 3:27.
LE arrives at 3:40.
Crystal gets a call from TN at 3:49.
AS gets a call at an undetermined time from Ronald.
AS gets a call at 3:50 from TN.
TN states she arrived on scene at 3:30.
LE reports that she arrived after the initial interviews of Ronald and Misty, which couldn't have been conducted until after 3:40 when LE arrived.
There is no notation of AS arriving at the scene and searching the MH with someone (she says "we") to look in closets to see if Haleigh was there; she wasn't.) but she insists this is what she did in the interview. It becomes also curious now that 9 days after this, she announces she was at the MH between 7 and 8 that night. Also of interest is TN's statement that she "sent a family member" over to the MH that night. Why?

On the 911 tape, we hear Ronald abusing Misty verbally with name calling. Whatever stress level there was, and definitely it was high, what we all heard is classified as abusive and demeaning language. If it was while he was talking to his mother, that adds another level, which I won't bother to go into.

For 6 minutes, Misty is attempting to hold it together, presenting herself as the mother of a missing child, allowing the statements about her "husband" to go uncorrected. Sure, other things to think about right then. But law abiding people want the facts straight and do what they can to fix a misconception when they are presented. These slide.

She is bearing the brunt of Ronald's verbal rage at the situation, hearing names being hurled at her, things slamming around, an already horrific situation made worse by the rage of this man. The situation is in upheaval, yet she attempts to continue. Asked questions of basic nature, she cannot give clear answers and when needed, turns to Ronald for the answers, only to be met with more rage.

Six minutes. He's raging; she's stumbling. In all of that, the belief that he's called his grandmother and his mother is still reasonable for some? If, as some suggest, he called his mother and gran before LE, at least I could see a thought process. "ma, gram, is Haleigh there? She's not here and we can't find her." "Son, call 911." I get that.

During the raging on that tape, calling them both? Not a chance.

TN says she's there by 3:30 (the LE report makes it apparent that is not possible given the witness reports he's taken, and also that TN has called Crystal at 3:49 and y'all love to recall that she heard LE in the background so she knew it wasn't a prank). So, at 3:49, while Crystal is on the phone with an on-the-scene TN, I find it incredible that she only stayed on the phone with Crystal for one minute, and then was able to make a call to her mom, who missed a call by Ronald. Living 8 miles away, AS shows up and "they" searched and she wasn't there.

By the end of the second hangup, it is approx. 3:33. He's looking for his phone and within 15 minutes, his mom is there, his gran on the way.
So.......to whom are the other calls he's making? AS has already gotten a call from Ronald (before 3:50), TN got hers, and is there. She's called Crystal and determined that Haleigh isn't with her. She's gotten hold of her mom and AS is on the way. All of this is AFTER the 911 call. He's hung up on 911 as they're getting information...twice.

......Why did he need his phone again?
 
Whisper...you can play with the math all day if you want, but it does not matter when he called his family and what time they arrived!! We do know it was AFTER Haleigh was found to be missing. PERIOD. LE knows exactly when Ronald called them due to his phone records and probably Teresa's phone records, too.

Btw~ That is a ridiculous statement that she needed to take time to "be shocked" and "have some words". GMAB.

BBM.
I haven't been posting much because frankly this back and forth sniping is nauseating, but SS, I'm getting quite disturbed by the number of things you keep stating as "facts" that we just do not know.
I have seen on many Haleigh threads you stating that LE knows this and "we" know that. PERIOD. I'm sorry, but that's just not the case.
You can say in your opinion, through deductive reasoning, you may BELIEVE something to be true, but you cannot state things as fact that we just don't know yet.

Until LE comes out directly and tells us that these things are indeed 'fact'....they're not, plain and simple.
 
I don't think you would be like RC..few are!

Regarding the call TN claims he made:

1. his phone allegedly was in the car because he didn't answer it when M called him.
2. he was yelling "where is my f%$g phone?" towards the end of the 911 call, IIRC.

My speculation suggests that he may have made his phone calls before he arrived at the MH.

As previously discussed, there was not enough time elapsing between his calls, after 911 tapeand TN's arrival. Her urge to help her son was swift....but time line doesn't match.

Her address has been checked as living in Pomona Park, correct?...I assume you have researched it...you are thorough.
 
I am really trying to understand your point of view on this Whisper but I am just not getting it.

1. Are you saying the phone was left in the car while Misty was making
the 911 call? If so please direct me to where you found that info.
2. Where is my phone makes complete sense to me. He calls his mom
sets down the phone and then can't remember where he set it down.
I would not be thinking clearly at that point.

TN says Misty was on the 911 call when RC called her. I guess I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

3:27 911 call placed
3:28 per TN she received call from RC
3:40-3:49 - TN arrives on the scene based on police report.
Would take her driving normal speed 12-15 minutes to get there. 3:28-3:45 (splitting the different) thats 17 minutes to throw on clothes, drive like crazy and arrive at the mobile home. Makes total sense to me. I don't know why you are so hung up on RC could not of called TN during the 911 call - just as she states he did and which makes perfect sense that he would.

I don't think you would be like RC..few are!

Regarding the call TN claims he made:

1. his phone allegedly was in the car because he didn't answer it when M called him.
2. he was yelling "where is my f%$g phone?" towards the end of the 911 call, IIRC.

My speculation suggests that he may have made his phone calls before he arrived at the MH.

As previously discussed, there was not enough time elapsing between his calls, after 911 tapeand TN's arrival. Her urge to help her son was swift....but time line doesn't match.

Her address has been checked as living in Pomona Park, correct?...I assume you have researched it...you are thorough.
 
Hi Busy,

My point of view is Ron is most likely not telling the truth about when he called his mother. I believe that TN knew about this before 3:27.

RC said his phone was ringing in his car when he pulled up at 3:27...and he didn't answer it.

His phone most likely was still in the car because he was yelling in the MH that he couldn't find the ..f$#$..phone.

Between 3:27 and 3:33 the 911 call was on.
He didn't have his phone during that call.
If he called after the 911, it was after 3:33. One has to take into consideration that he had to remember it was in the car or find it. Had to take a little time, even a minute crunches the time line.

No way did TN get there in less than 10 min. She had to get the call...give it a minute to digest. get dressed. get pic..get keys ..get car...drive..park...talk to LE and then call CS by 3:49

Time line is off. It is not possible to do have done this from her address.

1. She must not live where we think or
2. She got the call before 911 was dialed.

Her confirmation you posted was not very convincing, IMO. When she started her sentence with "I believe I got the call after 911" shows she is not sure or trying to convince herself or the person she is talking to.
 
We will just have to disagree on this one Whisper. You do not know he did not have his phone during the 911 call you are assuming he left it in the truck, most guys carry their phone in their pockets not in the car. Even if you go with your 3:33 timeline of her being called she still could of made it there in 16 minutes, though I believe just as TN stated he called her while Misty was on the 911 call. Her home is only 15 minutes away normal drive time - so 16 minutes is quite possible even basing it on your 3:33 timeline.
 
Hi Busy,

My point of view is Ron is most likely not telling the truth about when he called his mother. I believe that TN knew about this before 3:27.

RC said his phone was ringing in his car when he pulled up at 3:27...and he didn't answer it.

His phone most likely was still in the car because he was yelling in the MH that he couldn't find the ..f$#$..phone.

Between 3:27 and 3:33 the 911 call was on.
He didn't have his phone during that call.
If he called after the 911, it was after 3:33. One has to take into consideration that he had to remember it was in the car or find it. Had to take a little time, even a minute crunches the time line.

No way did TN get there in less than 10 min. She had to get the call...give it a minute to digest. get dressed. get pic..get keys ..get car...drive..park...talk to LE and then call CS by 3:49

Time line is off. It is not possible to do have done this from her address.

1. She must not live where we think or
2. She got the call before 911 was dialed.

Her confirmation you posted was not very convincing, IMO. When she started her sentence with "I believe I got the call after 911" shows she is not sure or trying to convince herself or the person she is talking to.

BBM

I didn't realize that TN qualified her statement about when Ron called her - in relation to the 911 call. We could hear Ron in the background of the 911 call when Misty was on the phone with the dispatcher. Misty's voice was, understandably imo, raised and stressed when she was talking to 911. She also asks Ron questions and he answers them. At one point, it even sounds as if Misty yelps. Seems that if we could hear Ron talking in the background on the 911 call, TN could've heard Misty talking in the background of Ron's call to her. TN would have known for sure whether or not Misty was on the phone with 911. JMO
 
In addition Whisper this is what she says - not as you have quoted about I believe I got the call after 911

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH CUMMINGS PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: He called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

NEVES: He called me 3:27, 3:28.

VAN SUSTEREN: So right after the 911 call? Right before?

NEVES: I believe that she was on with 911 when he called me.

911 CALL: (INAUDIBLE)

NEVES: He was in a panic.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502766,00.html
 
In addition Whisper this is what she says - not as you have quoted about I believe I got the call after 911

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH CUMMINGS PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: He called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

NEVES: He called me 3:27, 3:28.

VAN SUSTEREN: So right after the 911 call? Right before?

NEVES: I believe that she was on with 911 when he called me.

911 CALL: (INAUDIBLE)

NEVES: He was in a panic.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502766,00.html

BBM....isn't is quite odd to state the time as 3:27 or 3:28am? Why not say 3:30? Sort of like KC saying 31 days. Why so specific? Considering all of the emotions at the time, I find it very hard to believe someone noticed the exact minute of the call. JMO
 
She was trying to tie in the call to help her son, IMO.
 
She was trying to tie in the call to help her son, IMO.

She wasn't called after the 911 call. It sure doesn't seem as if she was called during it. That only leaves a call prior to the 911 call.

The 911 call was made at 3:27 - is that right ? Did Ron give an exact time that he arrived him home that night ?
 
Do we have verification on TN and Pomona Park? And I don't mean what she showed them on her ID. This family changes addresses continually.
 
The police report shows the Pomona Park address, I am unsure what other verification you are looking for.

Do we have verification on TN and Pomona Park? And I don't mean what she showed them on her ID. This family changes addresses continually.
 

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