The actual vs. desired outcome

[Ames]

Between the front two smoke stacks is a floating, you guessed it, pig.

LOL...maybe I am a little slow from the energy being sucked from me, due to my pregnancy....BUT....I do not get the connection between a floating pig between two smoke stacks.....and wealthy people. Maybe I am just missing something here. It IS a funny picture though....

 

[Ames]

What are you bringing Manson into this for. It is hard enough for you to concentrate on one case. :slap:

YEAH, really!!

Maybe Holdon justs wants to take our mind off of the Ramsey case for awhile.

 

[Solace]

YEAH, really!!

Maybe Holdon justs wants to take our mind off of the Ramsey case for awhile.

I would if I were her. We are drowning her in facts.

 

[Solace]

LOL...maybe I am a little slow from the energy being sucked from me, due to my pregnancy....BUT....I do not get the connection between a floating pig between two smoke stacks.....and wealthy people. Maybe I am just missing something here. It IS a funny picture though....

Must be too deep for us Ames. I am sure there is meaning there for Holdon.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

LOL...maybe I am a little slow from the energy being sucked from me, due to my pregnancy....BUT....I do not get the connection between a floating pig between two smoke stacks.....and wealthy people. Maybe I am just missing something here. It IS a funny picture though....

In the album's three parts, "Dogs," "Pigs," and "Sheep," pigs represent the people whom Roger Waters considers to be at the top of the social ladder, the ones with wealth and power; they also manipulate the rest of society and encourage them to be viciously competitive and cutthroat, so the pigs can remain powerful

The photo's from a 1970's quadruple platinum album cover from the british rock band.

 

[Ames]

The photo's from a 1970's quadruple platinum album cover from the british rock band.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I don't remember the 70's, and its not because I was stoned either. LOL I was only 5.

 

[Solace]

The photo's from a 1970's quadruple platinum album cover from the british rock band.

I can see you put some effort into that Holdon. Now if you could just do the same for the Ramsey case, you might actually get somewhere.

 

[Ames]

I can see you put some effort into that Holdon. Now if you could just do the same for the Ramsey case, you might actually get somewhere.

Great idea!!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I can see you put some effort into that Holdon. Now if you could just do the same for the Ramsey case, you might actually get somewhere.

So, RDI, please explain why an ideology similar to the Manson murders (pig) appears at the scene of the JBR murder (fat cat)?

 

[Ames]

So, RDI, please explain why an ideology similar to the Manson murders (pig) appear at the scene of the JBR murder (fat cat).

Because Patsy was trying to make it look like an intruder had done it, and written the RN.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Because Patsy was trying to make it look like an intruder had done it, and written the RN.

For IDI, 'Death to Pigs ''and 'you're not the only fat cat so don't think that killing will be difficult' are both criminal rantings found in written form at the crime scene of vicious murders. There is a class struggle argument behind them. PR and JR don't have class struggle issues, do they?

 

[Solace]

So, RDI, please explain why an ideology similar to the Manson murders (pig) appears at the scene of the JBR murder (fat cat)?

You need some rest. You are starting to sound like Evening2 or worse yet, Eagle.

Holdon, give us some facts to back up your three man intruder team. Since you are so great at figuring out there were three of them and Thomas couldn't find them, maybe you will enlighten us as to how they did it without leaving any physical evidence. And actually answer this one, will you.:slap:

 

[Solace]

For IDI, 'Death to Pigs ''and 'you're not the only fat cat so don't think that killing will be difficult' are both criminal rantings found in written form at the crime scene of vicious murders. There is a class struggle argument behind them. PR and JR don't have class struggle issues, do they?

They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. So lets get off the diversion and answer the question on the intruders and their leaving no evidence.

Stop evading, it is obvious. Lets hear it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You need some rest. You are starting to sound like Evening2 or worse yet, Eagle.

Holdon, give us some facts to back up your three man intruder team. Since you are so great at figuring out there were three of them and Thomas couldn't find them, maybe you will enlighten us as to how they did it without leaving any physical evidence. And actually answer this one, will you.:slap:

"Thomas couldn't find them":Thomas couldn't find them because he's already in love with RDI. Love is blind, as they say.

"...without leaving any physical evidence": This is your opinion stated as if it were fact. There's unmatched fibers, handwriting, cord, DNA, shoeprints, etc. As long as they are unmatched, they could be physical evidence of intruders. Don't throw away the RN, the DNA, cord, etc. just yet, because LE is still using them to test possible intruders.

The three intruder idea isn't my idea. The RN author states 'the two gentlemen watching over your daughter' implies there were three intruders. I would claim that 'two gentlemen watching over JBR' would be more effective than PR.

 

[Squishified]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I don't remember the 70's, and its not because I was stoned either. LOL I was only 5.

You were 5 for a whole decade???

 

[Solace]

"Thomas couldn't find them":Thomas couldn't find them because he's already in love with RDI. Love is blind, as they say.

"...without leaving any physical evidence": This is your opinion stated as if it were fact. There's unmatched fibers, handwriting, cord, DNA, shoeprints, etc. As long as they are unmatched, they could be physical evidence of intruders. Don't throw away the RN, the DNA, cord, etc. just yet, because LE is still using them to test possible intruders.

The three intruder idea isn't my idea. The RN author states 'the two gentlemen watching over your daughter' implies there were three intruders. I would claim that 'two gentlemen watching over JBR' would be more effective than PR.[/quote]

I realize that you deal in very simple terms Holdon, but lets try to go a little further than what Patsy wants you to think. The idea here is to try and think for yourself. As far as unmatched fibers, I am sure that I have fibers on me that would be unmatched to anything in my house. The imposing evidence here is that fibers from Patsy's jacket were found underneath the tape, the garrotte and the paint tray. So did the intruders get the tape and wipe it along Patsy's jacket or did Patsy break off some tape from somewhere or even take used tape from say the back of a picture and while she was carrying the tape fibers from her jacket that were on her sweater, did they get on the tape. What would you think is more reasonable. We are talking about reasonable here. How reasonable is it that the fibers from Patsy's jacket were found in and near the crime scene. IN THE DEEPEST REGIONS OF THE HOUSE WHERE PATSY SAID SHE NEVER WENT.


It is liking talking to the proverbial wall with you Holdon. The shoeprints have been explained. Burke had Hi-Techs. it is old news and if that is not enough, the Boulder Police also wore Hi-Techs. Don't hold your breath waiting for a match with the DNA - isn't going to happen - sort of like the intruders never happened.

As far as what you would claim, we are not interested in what you claim, we are interested in what you can prove.


You really need to check out Crimelibrary. You would love Shill. He actually posted that because Patsy said she was asleep, that means she did not do it, because she had an alibi.

For the third time, lets have some physical evidence that there were THREE INTRUDERS.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I realize that you deal in very simple terms Holdon, but lets try to go a little further than what Patsy wants you to think. The idea here is to try and think for yourself.

It is liking talking to the proverbial wall with you Holdon. The shoeprints have been explained. Burke had Hi-Techs. it is old news and if that is not enough, the Boulder Police also wore Hi-Techs. Don't hold your breath waiting for a match with the DNA - isn't going to happen - sort of like the intruders never happened.

As far as what you would claim, we are not interested in what you claim, we are interested in what you can prove.

You really need to check out Crimelibrary. You would love Shill. He actually posted that because Patsy said she was asleep, that means she did not do it, because she had an alibi.

Keep i simple.

It occurs to me why RDI gets so upset when IDI takes the RN and witness testimony at face value. Its because IDI has no reason to doubt the RN or witness testimony. Until there is an effective impeachment of the witness.

RDI, on the other hand, has a thousand reasons to doubt the RN and witness testimony.

If IDI, then RDI isn't capable of solving it becuase they mentally threw away most of the evidence.

 

[Solace]

Keep i simple.

It occurs to me why RDI gets so upset when IDI takes the RN and witness testimony at face value. Its because IDI has no reason to doubt the RN or witness testimony. Until there is an effective impeachment of the witness.

RDI, on the other hand, has a thousand reasons to doubt the RN and witness testimony.

If IDI, then RDI isn't capable of solving it becuase they mentally threw away most of the evidence.

There is something to be said for keeping it simple. But one does not have to get a PhD in it. You have officially graduated in "simpleness". Now for the fourth time, can you give us some physical evidence of an intruder please other than the pathetic DNA that is older than JonBenet's and therefore put there before that evening. As far as DNA under her nails, I have DNA under my nails right now that is unsourced and so do you. That is what happens when you "live" - you get unsourced DNA very easily. What was it over 24 hours since JonBenet had bathed. Hence unsourced DNA under her nails.

So you were saying about the intruder evidence?

 

[JMO8778]

For IDI, 'Death to Pigs ''and 'you're not the only fat cat so don't think that killing will be difficult' are both criminal rantings found in written form at the crime scene of vicious murders. There is a class struggle argument behind them. PR and JR don't have class struggle issues, do they?

Yes they do,Holdon,for the real measure of true class isn't about money at all....it's about the way you treat other people.From their actions,the R's have constantly demonstrated they are low class.At least they're consistent.

 

[JMO8778]

So, RDI, please explain why an ideology similar to the Manson murders (pig) appears at the scene of the JBR murder (fat cat)?

funny the animal references that come from family members who kill...Jeffrey MacDonald wrote the word 'pig' in blood on the headboard of the bed where his wife was found murdered...why do you think he did that??? It was staging,plain and simple.HE did it...and HE needed to make the murder appear he didn't do it !