The Argument that Ron and Misty had.

[DotsEyes]

OOO so now if RC usually gets off work at midnight and worked overtime - he is a bad guy. Where is this going?

 

[DotsEyes]

and everyone knows a defense attorney would NEVER stretch the truth to make their client look better. Okay?

Not on something so easily proved. No one can stretch "he worked from 5pm to 3am" there aren't any wiggle words, no wiggle room.

Not all lawyers have despicable behavior.

 

[Maven2379]

Wrong interpretation of the attorney's statement. LE can not rule him out 100% because they weren't with him all night, but they are satisified that with what they know and have uncovered, he was at work between 8pm-3am. In my world this means he is 99% cleared and therefore has moved to the bottom of the list, however short or long it may be. (some have suggested that 2d out of 2 isn't that much of a commendation, but I think LE has a few above RC) 100% would require RC to have been in jail that night or in the personal company of LE between 8p-3a.

I can see how one could interpret this attorney the wrong way. This is the same guy who said:

Lance: Did Ronald tell Misty's father that if he had $35,000, he'd be able to bring haleigh home?

Shoemaker: I would deny that Ronald ever told misty’s father that. The story is complicated but Ronald has a friend who has this little four year old girl and this came up in our fdle conversation yesterday. Ronald was talking to the girl and the girl said she talks to Haleigh and he asked her what Haleigh tells her. She responded saying that she told her is that she is being kept by a guy named Larry. What Ronald said to Misty’s dad is that if we knew who Larry was and 35 thousand dollars then we could get her back. Ronald doesn’t have any idea who has Haleigh and if he had a million dollars wouldn’t know what to do with it to get her back.

all in the same statement, parts in red .... obvious.

 

[Muffet]

Wrong interpretation of the attorney's statement. LE can not rule him out 100% because they weren't with him all night, but they are satisified that with what they know and have uncovered, he was at work between 8pm-3am. In my world this means he is 99% cleared and therefore has moved to the bottom of the list, however short or long it may be. (some have suggested that 2d out of 2 isn't that much of a commendation, but I think LE has a few above RC) 100% would require RC to have been in jail that night or in the personal company of LE between 8p-3a.

It is not a "wrong interpretation" of the attorney's statement. It is mine, and it simply differs from your interpretation, correct?

One can use different words, but I maintain that no one has sufficient evidence to insist that everyone else agree a fork must be stuck in any personal interpretation.

For example: You argue that my interpretation is wrong by pointing out that LE said they were satisfied.. my response would be to point out that
1. they also said they were "satisfied" with Misty's polygraphs, and
2. Even your personal 99% guess is not 100%, therefore there is room for honest doubt that deserves respect.

 

[Muffet]

OOO so now if RC usually gets off work at midnight and worked overtime - he is a bad guy. Where is this going?

NO one said anything of the sort, Ma'am.

With that, I think I'll say goodnight.

 

[debs]

p.s., once again, LE said they are satisfied that Ronald Cummings' alibi is that he is at work. Semantics matter.

 

[balaney]

Not on something so easily proved. No one can stretch "he worked from 5pm to 3am" there aren't any wiggle words, no wiggle room.

Not all lawyers have despicable behavior.

I can imagine how exasperated Misty could become...she is exhausted, maybe the children are bickering and then Ron tells her he will NOT be home at midnight as planned as he has to stay until 3. That could be a reason to set her off...

 

[suspicious1]

I apologize if this has already been discussed but who alerted the LE about the argument? Who brought up the argument? Ron, Misty, or Jr?

 

[Whisperer]

Why is Misty exhausted? She and Ron slept away half if not all the day.

Have we ever entertained the thought that Ron was actually employed part time at PDM? His hours seem to more of a part time employee than full time.

 

[Whisperer]

Sorry Dot's Eyes....still not buying those work hours...

His lawyer said his normal start time is 5:00pm that means he doesn't work eight hours. Because, according to him, he was to be off at midnight and decided to work 3 extra hours.....how convenient!

But, I digress...5:00pm to 12:00 midnight is a 6 and half hour shift. So does he only work part time for PDM? These hours do not compute for an 8 hr day.

Keep in mind for seven month, everyone (well a few of this forum) were insisting his hours were normal and they were 4:00 to 3:00....now that isn't true. I also suspect the hours just given again are also not accurate.

 

[Donjeta]

Not on something so easily proved. No one can stretch "he worked from 5pm to 3am" there aren't any wiggle words, no wiggle room.

Not all lawyers have despicable behavior.

I agree, it ought to be a simple thing to state his work hours without wiggling. Which is why it's a bit strange it still keeps shifting after 7 months.

 

[Maven2379]

I agree, it ought to be a simple thing to state his work hours without wiggling. Which is why it's a bit strange it still keeps shifting after 7 months.

IA

it's one of those things that make ya go hmmm :waitasec:

 

[tehcloser]

Stop it. Parents are always at the top of the list. Stop it.

Usually with good reason. :banghead:

 

[Coldpizza]

I can imagine how exasperated Misty could become...she is exhausted, maybe the children are bickering and then Ron tells her he will NOT be home at midnight as planned as he has to stay until 3. That could be a reason to set her off...

I believe Misty had some unfinished business from the weekend. Before she got back she called Ron IMO to see where his head was at and how angry he was at her. She got back together with him and they and JR slept most of the morn. (Right)?

I have a feeling Misty might have created an argument for the soul purpose to turn the phone off so she finish business with WBG and get their stories straight, just in case. But didn't WBG say she never called him back? hmmmmm

After that, if we knew, then we would know where Haleigh was.
Just trying to think like a manipulative teenager here. Just a thoughtand IMO

 

[suspicious1]

Who first told about the argument? How did LE find out about the fight? Misty, Ron, Jr.?

 

[elle1919]

bumping before reading, thought others might like a refresher as well.

 

[Whisperer]

RC could not get a hold of misty from 8:30pm till 3:30 am....correct? They had an enourmous fight according to his attorney, yet..

He comes home....his precious child is gone....

...........we see him hours later...loving on his GF. He never stopped walking with his arm tightly wrapped misty.

..........if you knew somebody for 4-5 months and they lose your child, is your body language going to be to hold them all day? He wrapped his arms around her the entire time. What happened to the anger displayed on the 911? His words on the 911 and his actions of loving on his GF do not add up..

Normal reactions would be to start questioning everything and EVERY one. Ron who had enourmous fight with his girlfriend and his child disappears after the fight, does just the opppostie.....hmmm

What possibly could have changed his intense anger with his GF to a loving, kind, protective tone? He tells the crowd not to blame her..it could have happened to anyone of them, WTH!

 

[Whisperer]

I can't see any father, even those who are happily married and would never suspect their wife of harming their child, behaving like he did.

He had every reason to be suspicious of misty. Nope, he never was...

And now that we are aware of her character...why wasn't he?

 

[Whisperer]

Your opinion does matter....but it is not obvious that he didn't harm or hide Haleigh. In fact I don't even know if he isn't the key. They both have lied and deflected from day 1.

Latest info:

Despite Misty as a target of suspicion, his new lawyer, Terry Shoemaker says Ron is standing by his woman. A RC quote per second party “I know she fooled around, but I guess I just love her.”

When asked how RC and Misty are doing, Misty’s lawyer, Robert Fields said, “They seem to be getting along just fine.”

According to these statements, RC should appear very suspicious in any ones' opinions, as far as I'm concerned.

She loses his child, he hugs her, marries her and sells drugs with her. Yet some are not even suspicious of him..amazing

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Well, I've said it over and over, but I'll do it again: I don't think the fact that a child disappears while under the care of a parent or a step-parent/significant other necessarily means that the couple should split up because one of them "lost" a child.

The issue for me got more complicated with the drug arrest. Up to that point, the idea that Ron might think maintaining a relationship with Misty would help find out what happened to Haleigh made some sense. But I think it may be more likely that the drug sales and drug abuse are running these peoples' lives. If Ron is an addict, then who knows how his mind works? Or what involvements he might have with people who "stole" his daughter? Certainly, I have more questions now than I did before the drug arrests. That said, I don't see evidence that RC was directly involved in what happened to Haleigh. Until we see an actual timeline, though, one that can be trusted as to when Haleigh was last seen and by whom, where the various Croslins were, etc., I'm still of a mind that Misty is at the heart of this.