The Blue Barrel in the Bedroom? #3

[cricket]

A good friend of mine works at "American Sales" in Tinley Park, which is where DP bought the swimming pool...it's not far from Bolingbrook. She told me the FBI came in the store last week asking questions regarding the pool chemicals, containers they carry...The store told them they don't 'store' them there, but they order them from one of their distributors, the FBI was given the distributors phone number.

I think it's encouraging that the FBI came wen to that store "last week" - that means they are probably going back over everything the ISP did on the investigation; they are not just trusting that ISP investigated this properly.

 

[MysteryAddict]

Are we assuming that all four kids were in the house all the while this murder and disposal of the body took place?

It's mind boggling to think that the kids wouldn't have been asking-

Hey, Dad what are you doing?

 

[Trino]

I think it's encouraging that the FBI came wen to that store "last week" - that means they are probably going back over everything the ISP did on the investigation; they are not just trusting that ISP investigated this properly.

Does this mean that D purchasing chemicals is another "truck driver" rumor? If they need to be specially ordered, it stands to reason the store did not tell ISP/FBI that D purchased chemicals. We have heard nothing to say he special ordered either a blue barrel or chemicals.

 

[NascarMom]

I would think 'welding' the lid on would be even better than putting on a removable lid. The welding would guarantee a tight constant seal. With the removable lid and a decomposing body with gas buildup, he couldn't be certain the lid would pop off and her body (I'm so sorry, it breaks my heart to talk this gory about such a beautiful woman ) being discovered. He's not one to 'lose' as someone else stated. This would ensure difficulty in finding her moreso than the removable lid. He's a sneaky thing this man. I am also betting he's made more than one drive by of the area he used for dumping just as SP did.

Also, I didn't want to start a new thread for this since we have so much going on as it is and it's difficult to follow jumping from thread to thread. Do we know of, other than TM, psychological history of this family? Mental and emotional issues? To me, DP exhibits signs of a plethora of issues. The least of which is his personality disturbances. I'm not claiming mustiple personality disorder since he's more or less exhibited the same uncaring and cold attitude regarding Stacy from the beginning. But we do have extremes in behavior ranging from his hiding under that damn bandana in the beginning to his outright crazy behavior with videotaping and joking with the media.

He could be using drugs. Just a thought.

 

[Leila]

The barrel with the chlorine was purchesed about 3 -4 weeks before her murder..this is per Cassandra on the Stacy website. Also per Cassandra, the man that delivered the chlorine recognized Drew from the media and came forward very early on to let LE know he thought that amnt of chlorine was unusual for an above grd pool owner. So the FBI is following up on details from LE's notes..which they always do.

If Stacy told Drew she wanted a divorce, as Cassandra says, about 3-4 weeks before this took place..and Drew asked her to wait until he retired, which Cassandra says, then the barrel and the chlorine were bought intentionaly.

He had a long period of time (3-4 weeks) to siphon off the chlorine to a samll quanity..just enough to give him clean up use and a small amount to use to place her in until he was ready to dump her body somewhere else..meaning the body, more then likely was not in the barrel when it was dumped..but the barrel and body could have both been dumped in the same area..meaning the canal they are currently searching.

I think what you've described is the most likely scenario.

I do believe however, that while DP planned on doing away with Stacy, he didn't intend to kill her on that Sunday. Considering how risky it was to kill Stacy with four kids in the house, two of whom were young teens, I believe he intended to kill her when the older two children were at school. With only two young preschool children in the house, it would have been far easier to kill Stacy and dispose of her body without the risk of discovery.

I think DP's plans of killing and disposing of Stacy were only partially planned when he killed her. He's made too many mistakes that indicate he hadn't planned on how to deal with certain aspects.

 

[Leila]

:waitasec: I am confused about a couple things. Maybe one of you can help.

First of all, Leila posted on #119:
"It was leaked that DP's step-brother, Thomas Morphey, age 40 helped DP move what he described as a rectangular box (think in terms of a large Rubbermaid rectangle container) the evening of October 28th. He said that DP picked him up at a park at about 7:00pm and they went to a coffee shop."

"... the images of October 28ths which do show two men coming in at about 7:35pm and leaving at about 9:21, and neither ordered anything. They sat at a front window table."

"...Afterwards, DP took Tom home."

Thomas Morphey got home and went to his friend/neighbor, Walter Martineck, who described Tom as being frantic. Tom told Walter that he thinks he just helped DP dispose of Stacy's body. He was frightened of DP and told Walter if he could kill his wife, DP could kill him too. He told Walter not to tell anyone, but when Walter learned of Tom's attempted suicide, Walter went straight to LE and told them what Tom had told him. That would have been on Oct. 30th."

Ok, so, Tom helped DP move this "box" and and went directly to the friend and told him the story. This would have been before Stacy was even reported missing...right? So DP had to have told him or said something to indicate that Stacy was in the container.

Secondly, I have read that possibly a neighbor saw the blue barrel being loaded by two men into the SUV. So that would have been earlier, during daylight hours. Am I correct on that?

Just trying to get things straight in my head.

Camper - sorry to hear about the gallbladder. Mine attacked me a few months ago but I was able to put off the lap-chole once again! :dance: But one of these days!

Lili...........yes, this took place before Stacy was reported missing, and this is an important piece of the puzzle.

Whereas none of us can be sure, we can speculate. I think that during the few hours that DP and Thomas Morphey were together, from about 7:00pm to 10:00pm, DP probably dumped on Tom about his marital problems. He probably told him that Stacy wanted a divorce, and embellished the story, saying Stacy is having an affair, etc. He probably told Tom that they had a big argument that morning and Stacy left him.

None of us know for sure, but I think there was something said that made Thomas Morphey put two and two together and figure out that DP had killed Stacy. It may have only dawned on him when he helped move the container and noted it was warm to the touch. Something clicked and he knew, but was too frightened of DP to do anything.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Personally, I think Drew discussed more than what we have been told with Tom. For Tom to have immediately gone to Walter when he returned home is more than him putting things together and coming to the instant conclusion that Stacy could have been dead instead of simply missing.

 

[SuziQ]

Does this mean that D purchasing chemicals is another "truck driver" rumor? If they need to be specially ordered, it stands to reason the store did not tell ISP/FBI that D purchased chemicals. We have heard nothing to say he special ordered either a blue barrel or chemicals.

True. You have to wonder if the pool guy is legit, then why is the FBI asking around for a distributor list from the place DP bought the pool at. Wouldn't the pool guy who came forward know where the product came from?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I just spent the last few minutes trying to find the follow up thread for Kathleen Savio Death. WC had closed the thread, but I cannot find #2.

We were just discussing the fact that if her body had been in the tub for some 30 hours...wouldn't the stench of decomp have permeated the home by then? If it had...then why was this not even mentioned by Steve C. or Mary (?), her best friend in the bedroom looking at the time they found Kathleen?! When they first opened the door...it would seem reasonable the stench would have overwhelmed them. Good question for Greta to ask Dr. Baden and Steve C.! (Don't worry...I put it in her tip box.)

 

[concernedperson]

I just spent the last few minutes trying to find the follow up thread for Kathleen Savio Death. WC had closed the thread, but I cannot find #2.

We were just discussing the fact that if her body had been in the tub for some 30 hours...wouldn't the stench of decomp have permeated the home by then? If it had...then why was this not even mentioned by Steve C. or Mary (?), her best friend in the bedroom looking at the time they found Kathleen?! When they first opened the door...it would seem reasonable the stench would have overwhelmed them. Good question for Greta to ask Dr. Baden and Steve C.!

I would bet it was there but out of respect it wasn't mentioned.

A year or so ago I was working on a condo conversion project and noticed an abandoned car on the premises. I got the tag number and called LE and sure enough it was a stolen vehicle. When the officer got there I mentioned that I was afraid there was a body in the trunk and he looked at me and said you would have known immediately. So, this vehicle was placed there after 6 PM the night before and I noticed it at 9 AM the next day.

 

[panthera]

The spigot type of barrels that I have seen don't have a removable lid. If Drew planned to put Stacy in it, I think he would have gotten one with a removable lid. IMO, the barrel didn't contain chlorine. And he had to special order whatever chemical it was he ordered. Remember, the search warrant states "pool chemicals". Why go to that much trouble for chlorine when a 10 pound tub would be plenty. I wonder what explanation he gave to the dealer when he ordered whatever it was he ordered? Lye is easy to explain. You say you make soap.

Thanks for clarifying that ~ but I was thinking that maybe some of the pool chemicals remained in the barrel after her body was placed in it (assuming this is what happened) to speed up decomposition. So if the pool chemicals don't come in a barrel with a removable lid, then I guess that idea is off.

 

[Lili]

First of all, thank you Leila for responding to my query. It is my opinion that DrewP made some kind of statement or, being the jokester that he is, made a sick joke about moving a body not thinking that Tom would pick up on it.

Re: Kathleen Savio's body being in the tub for up to 30 hours, I found this interesting website that states: "By 24 - 36 hours after death the smell of rotting flesh appears and the skin takes on a progressive greenish-red color."

This is really an interesting site:
http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/cjrp/forensicsofdeath.html

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I would bet it was there but out of respect it wasn't mentioned.

They haven't had any respect when mentioning her head wound, the blood, or other gruesome details. :waitasec:

 

[panthera]

Re: Kathleen Savio's body being in the tub for up to 30 hours, I found this interesting website that states: "By 24 - 36 hours after death the smell of rotting flesh appears and the skin takes on a progressive greenish-red color."

This is really an interesting site:
http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/cjrp/forensicsofdeath.html

That is interesting! I sure think that someone would've really noticed it when they found Kathleen.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That is interesting! I sure think that someone would've really noticed it when they found Kathleen.

You would think, huh?!

 

[panthera]

You would think, huh?!

But let's not forget she was just a big exercise ball with hair.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

They haven't had any respect when mentioning her head wound, the blood, or other gruesome details. :waitasec:

In fact we were going over the Autopsy Report when discussing it.

 

[Darlene733510]

One of the chemicals we use in our pool when the ph is extremely high is muriatic acid. We buy it in a gallon jug. There is a warning on it that says to take precaution because it will cause a burn if it is splashed on the skin. When you open the bottle you can see the fumes coming out of it. You dilute it with water before pouring it into the pool.
I wonder if he put Stacey in the blue container and poured muriatic acid on her. I would imagine it would eat at the flesh, and perhaps that was why Morphey said the container felt warm. I wonder when was the last time DP bought muriatic acid, and how much did he buy.

 

[Lili]

That is interesting! I sure think that someone would've really noticed it when they found Kathleen.

But too, it probably depends on the temperatures. A bathtub is usually not warm when it is empty and her body may have cooled faster being in the tub. That and the air temp. in the house, may have slowed decomposition.

I am sorry, don't mean to be insensative, but facts is facts. There are a lot of factors to be considered.

 

[panthera]

But too, it probably depends on the temperatures. A bathtub is usually not warm when it is empty and her body may have cooled faster being in the tub. That and the air temp. in the house, may have slowed decomposition.

I am sorry, don't mean to be insensative, but facts is facts. There are a lot of factors to be considered.

I agree about the bathtub being cool, but I was also thinking the house would be warm and that also makes me wonder now if the heat was on when she was found or if someone had turned it off? (She died on March 1).