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[Lilibet]

Exactly. The press are throwing out a 100 stories a minute, most of which are probably rubbish, and just whipping up madness.

Yes. And anyone who participates in interviews (sources say or otherwise) shows very clearly that they don’t care about Harry and Meghan and the RF at all. They want to feel important and “in the know.” This is all so unnecessary.

 

[ZsaZsa]

They were caught between a rock and a hard place. It’s very common for celebrities to try to “get out ahead of a story” about to break so they can control the narrative. We have absolutely no evidence that they didn’t give the family a heads up more than 10 minutes beforehand. Those statements are not credible, but for some reason people want to believe the worst. And shame on the Sun!

The reason I think the ten minute email is true is that Buckingham Palace made formal announcement very soon after the story broke and believe me they re usually very non committal about such matters. The tone of the statement said it all. Aka No such decision has been made.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Oh yes, he has struggled for years and recently been very open about it. He went to therapy for some time. He, PW and DC have been spearheading a mental health campaign particularly directed to young men to remove the stigma of needing help for depression, anxiety.

Prince Harry Opens Up About His 20-Year Mental Struggle

One of the main reasons he has suffered was because of the death of his mother. Perhaps stepping back would be a good thing for his mental health. IMO

Opinion | How Prince Harry and Meghan's bombshell pushes the monarchy in a new direction
Harry, meanwhile, compared the constant surveillance to the tragic death of his mother, Princess Diana, whom he will age past this year following his 36th birthday. "Every single time I hear a click, every single time I see a flash, it takes me straight back, so in that respect, it is the worst reminder of her life as opposed to the best," he told ITV.
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The royal family, meanwhile, seems to have lost day-to-day control of two of its most beloved family members. But ultimately, Harry is following a version of royal precedent. The monarchy is about the line of succession, as Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles have chosen to emphasize again and again in recent months. Her Majesty displayed photos of direct heirs on her table during her annual Christmas speech and kicked off the decade with a portrait of the four living heirs.

That photo is the monarchy — and its future. Prince William doesn't get to leave, and Prince George will receive his own waves of scrutiny in the decades to come. Harry and Meghan don't have to stay — and more power to them. They're not the first Windsors to chafe under the pressure, nor the first to complain about it, nor the first to follow joy by distancing themselves. Still, the couple say they seek to "carve out a progressive new role" from "within" the family. And that is completely new.
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But a happy ending might be possible yet. By stepping back, Harry can allow his brother, his father and his grandmother to shine, as they were born to do, while protecting his wife and their son from further pain (and his mother's terrible fate). It seems most in his position would do the same.

 

[gregjrichards]

I really hope the royal family can come together today and the situation can start being sorted out. Her Majesty and Prince Philip have been through enough recently.

 

[Lilibet]

The reason I think the ten minute email is true is that Buckingham Palace made formal announcement very soon after the story broke and believe me they re usually very non committal about such matters. The tone of the statement said it all. Aka No such decision has been made.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and your reasons for thinking the story is true could turn out to be valid. You may be right and for now we can agree to disagree.

But my point still is that no one knows for sure about any of this stuff and we probably never will. Yet people are getting sucked in, choosing to believe it and getting outraged. Why? As a student of history, I just find it disturbing that people are so easily influenced and led to anger based on rumor and innuendo. If this can happen in something fairly minor like this, are we prepared for a demagogue twisting facts to rile up the masses against others? It’s not a far leap, I’m afraid.
JMO

ETA: Just to add that I include myself in the caution about the danger of getting pulled in by propaganda. History tells us that it can happen to anyone under the wrong set of circumstances. That’s why it’s important to evaluate sources of information carefully. JMO

 

[Lilibet]

One of the main reasons he has suffered was because of the death of his mother. Perhaps stepping back would be a good thing for his mental health. IMO

Opinion | How Prince Harry and Meghan's bombshell pushes the monarchy in a new direction
Harry, meanwhile, compared the constant surveillance to the tragic death of his mother, Princess Diana, whom he will age past this year following his 36th birthday. "Every single time I hear a click, every single time I see a flash, it takes me straight back, so in that respect, it is the worst reminder of her life as opposed to the best," he told ITV.
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The royal family, meanwhile, seems to have lost day-to-day control of two of its most beloved family members. But ultimately, Harry is following a version of royal precedent. The monarchy is about the line of succession, as Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles have chosen to emphasize again and again in recent months. Her Majesty displayed photos of direct heirs on her table during her annual Christmas speech and kicked off the decade with a portrait of the four living heirs.

That photo is the monarchy — and its future. Prince William doesn't get to leave, and Prince George will receive his own waves of scrutiny in the decades to come. Harry and Meghan don't have to stay — and more power to them. They're not the first Windsors to chafe under the pressure, nor the first to complain about it, nor the first to follow joy by distancing themselves. Still, the couple say they seek to "carve out a progressive new role" from "within" the family. And that is completely new.
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But a happy ending might be possible yet. By stepping back, Harry can allow his brother, his father and his grandmother to shine, as they were born to do, while protecting his wife and their son from further pain (and his mother's terrible fate). It seems most in his position would do the same.

Very fair and well expressed article. Thank you!

 

[ZsaZsa]

PH's brother, father and mother already shine.
PH can go his own way, resign and retire to private life. What is presenting the difficulty
so far is his demand to be a part time Prince but retain all the benefits.
He and MM have already jumped the gun and set up a commercial website for them to cash in on his Royal status - SussexRoyal.com (note it is .com not an .org or charitable enterprise) which is considered vulgar to say the least.
He has from time to time expressed a desire to do other things than the Royal job - at one time he wanted to quit and be a safari guide in Africa, but never did anything about it. People would have wished him luck. Now it seems he is going only because he is under such pressure from MM.
Tomorrow will be interesting...

 

[human]

PH's brother, father and mother already shine.
PH can go his own way, resign and retire to private life. What is presenting the difficulty
so far is his demand to be a part time Prince but retain all the benefits.
He and MM have already jumped the gun and set up a commercial website for them to cash in on his Royal status - SussexRoyal.com (note it is .com not an .org or charitable enterprise) which is considered vulgar to say the least.
He has from time to time expressed a desire to do other things than the Royal job - at one time he wanted to quit and be a safari guide in Africa, but never did anything about it. People would have wished him luck. Now it seems he is going only because he is under such pressure from MM.
Tomorrow will be interesting...

so he wanted to leave before but did not.Why is the idea of leaving then on Meghan?

 

[Trino]

It was about using a private plane.

the time zones were not different, were they? And there were no measles outbreaks at that time.

the filth of planes.Ugh. That is a problem isn’t it. I suppose someone can wipe down the surfaces. She will be in the baby changing row or do you think they fly first class? First class passengers do not like having children especially infants in their space. She cannot control if he cries or not.

Quite certain MM will have a Nannie and other security with her.

 

[Lilibet]

so he wanted to leave before but did not.Why is the idea of leaving then on Meghan?

Yes. And why is it referred to as “pressure” from Meghan? Is there evidence of pressure? Lots of conjecture of course.

I think it’s just as likely that Meghan has provided a sounding board for Harry to express what he feels about his role in the RF. By listening, she may have helped him get clarity about how he wants to live his life, now their lives. I can imagine them bouncing ideas off each other until it gels into a plan. My husband and I have done that many times in our somewhat adventurous life as a team.

No doubt the experience Meghan has had with the press and Harry’s “flashbacks” with cameras clicking played a part. But Harry wanted to do something different before Meghan came along. A good partner will help make it happen so it works for both of them. JMO

 

[human]

Quite certain MM will have a Nannie and other security with her.

can you explain why that would help a child going through multiple time zones? How does that help with germs circulating in the air and in the plane?

 

[human]

People traveling with measles going through US airports

Health officials warn of measles exposure at 5 US airports

 

[Keine Engel]

Did Queen Elizabeth get paid for repairing vehicles during the war?

William and Harry certainly are brave. Driving an air ambulance has to be incredibly dangerous. After all, the injured are in the most dangerous area.

I did not realize Harry served ten years? <modsnip>

It a nice, light, non-political about Harry's service & ironically, causing another huge national crisis

But this one was thru good intentions

Prince Harry in Afghanistan: Miguel Head shares the story of a historic media blackout​

From the London tabloids to the public broadcasters, the British media have a reputation as competitive, fractured and often eager to report every tidbit of news about the Royal Family. ​

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But for 10 weeks in late 2007 and early 2008, hundreds of news organizations agreed to embargo a big story: Prince Harry had been deployed to Helmand, Afghanistan, serving with the British Army. The media blackout lasted for 10 weeks — until The Drudge Report, which was not included in the agreement, reported the story on Feb. 28. Out of concern for his security and that of the soldiers around him, Prince Harry was immediately rushed back home...​

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He really is a true war hero, and has nothing but glowing reports from many of hidfriends & the military from his time in service.

He had to fight the Gov. to be allowed to go (with the rest of his squadies) on deployment to go & fight the enemy ​

He did actively engage in direct combat numerous times, thanks to the Drudge leak Harry became target enemy no 1 for the entire middle east-informed the Taliban where he was which immediately compromised the entire camp including everyone stationed on it

Journalist’s Resource

And this, my friends, is one of the reasons Prince Harry has always been Loveable 'Arry!​

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[human]

Air travel and children's issues.. Air travel and children’s health issues

 

[Lilibet]

This article discusses topics that will likely be covered at what’s being called the “Sandringham Summit.”

What's on the agenda for the royal talks?

 

[RobinCAL]

The statement from Buckingham palace was I believe about 2 hours after....which leaves me with the impression they weren't aware of the release other than the 10 minutes before

 

[Lilibet]

Thanks for linking this article @Keine Engel. It’s a fascinating look at how the press was persuaded to keep quiet before, during and after Harry deployed to Afghanistan. It describes a very touching moment right after Harry has been brought back home when the story leaked. I think it has relevance to what is happening right now. Harry had agreed before deploying to sit immediately for an interview after his flight arrived home...

So Prince Harry comes off his aircraft, and he’s exhausted. He hasn’t washed for a day and a half. He’s still wearing what he was wearing in the desert in Afghanistan. He still has sand all over him. And so he’s really tired; he slept overnight on the plane. And he’s also just deeply upset. The interviewer and the producer start asking the pre-agreed questions that have been very carefully negotiated by all the broadcasters, who all have slightly different angles regarding what they want to ask Prince Harry about.

We get about two questions into this list of questions, and Prince William suddenly stands up. He’s at the back of the room — he stood kind of behind me. He stands up and does a cutting motion with his hand across his throat, saying, this is over.

It was simply a brother realizing that at that point nothing was more important than his welfare, and none of the other agreements mattered at that point. And it says something about the closeness of the two brothers and their authenticity, as well. They will not fake who they are simply to play a game or to go along with other people’s expectations. And they are perfectly courteous and loyal and they will abide by agreements up to a point. But there will come a point where they say, “Well, actually our humanity is more important.”

To repeat: BUT THERE WILL COME A POINT WHERE THEY WILL SAY “WELL, ACTUALLY OUR HUMANITY IS MORE IMPORTANT.”

And really, that applies to the monarchy too IMO. I fully expect that whatever agreement is hammered out this week will reflect that truth.

Prince Harry in Afghanistan: Miguel Head recalls a historic media blackout

 

[Scrapper18]

Well, this PH and MM “thing” means we don’t have to keep hearing tabloids about Kate pregnant with twins. There’s always a bright side.

Wishing the entire RF lots of wisdom and compassion for each other.

 

[they'll get you]

Well, this PH and MM “thing” means we don’t have to keep hearing tabloids about Kate pregnant with twins. There’s always a bright side.

Wishing the entire RF lots of wisdom and compassion for each other.

Yes back to Kate. She’s a sweetheart.
Pretty too, good mum and very easy on the eye.

 

[Trino]

Jumping in here...
MM was pretty popular when she first hit London, rivaling Kate's popularity. So, what happened? While there will always be racists, I really think MM was accepted.
The first inkling of trouble was when it was reported MM made Kate cry. Then, the wedding where the Markles were not present - instead Oprah and George Clooney had first row seats. Next was the star studded baby shower - held in North America. Then the public had to wait until MM and H decided Archie could be seen and no baptism photos. Not going over well with Brits. Peers Morgan does a good job of explaining MM.

MM and Harry have been asked to perform about 200 visits per year. In return, they get a castle, servants, security, probably a chef/etc. Then, there's the 95% of their income from the Cornwall estate, as administered by Daddy Charles. Pretty sweet deal IMO. They seem to want amenities w/o doing anything other than existing.

MM wants to move to N America, eventually LA. Cannot imagine this fits Harry. It was suggested he could command speeches for $100,000, but what would he have to say? Journalist Harry friend has suggested if MM/H don't get what they want, they will do a tell-all. Nice, huh?

Just waiting to see what the Queen decides.