The Duct Tape Match #2

[Paintr]

But the A's didn't know until after there return from CA that there was a connection to the tape, and LE and FBI sealed off the house and took everything they could find. So I am thinking the tape may have come from some other location.

Maybe KC deep sixed the tape after she packaged the body. That would be strange though since she didn't seem to spend much time cleaning up.

Could the tape have been in the trunk when the car was brought home from the tow yard and dissappeared in the cleaning incident?

 

[Skully]

What I want to know is, did TL see that piece of tape on that can when KC took them from the garage? I am betting he didn't.

 

[sumbunny]

The duct tape was matched to the duct tape on the gas cans.

LE confirmed the duct tape came from the ANT home.

 

[Paintr]

What I want to know is, did TL see that piece of tape on that can when KC took them from the garage? I am betting he didn't.

We know that TonE pried open the lock, but who actually entered the shed, retrieved the cans and placed them in TonE's Jeep. TonE testified that KC poured the gas into her car while he stood back. Did KC hop out and grab the cans out of TonE's Jeep before he could? Maybe he never actually handled the cans or saw them up close.

 

[JWG]

What I want to know is, did TL see that piece of tape on that can when KC took them from the garage? I am betting he didn't.

If he did not I don't think one can put too much significance one way or the other on it. By the time LE learned duct tape was significant and could ask TL about it, 6 months had gone by. Unless it just jumped out and struck him as odd, he won't remember. I, for one, cannot remember whether my plastic gas can in the garage has a red, black, or yellow cap. But I handled it just the other day.

 

[jon_burrows]

But the A's didn't know until after there return from CA that there was a connection to the tape, and LE and FBI sealed off the house and took everything they could find. So I am thinking the tape may have come from some other location.

They sent their PI to the very spot where her body was. I think they know a lot more than they're letting on (especially Lee).

I still think Casey got rid of the tape while she was out on bail though.

 

[jon_burrows]

We know that TonE pried open the lock, but who actually entered the shed, retrieved the cans and placed them in TonE's Jeep. TonE testified that KC poured the gas into her car while he stood back. Did KC hop out and grab the cans out of TonE's Jeep before he could? Maybe he never actually handled the cans or saw them up close.

How nice of Tony to break the lock to the A's shed and help Casey steal from them. What a loser. He could have at least given her money for gas.

 

[Skully]

Here is what (one of the things) that doesn't make sense. You buy the roll of duct tape, and you open the roll to put a little piece on a gas can. So did it have a hole and you were patching it up? I'm thinking maybe. But I would think maybe something in that house had the tape on it for a repair. GA would buy a new can IMO. I don't see him patching it. Did it say in the doc dump if the can had a hole, they returned it to the A's. And ya, why is TL breaking a lock instead of giving her a few bucks for gas?

 

[BondJamesBond]

Here is what (one of the things) that doesn't make sense. You buy the roll of duct tape, and you open the roll to put a little piece on a gas can. So did it have a hole and you were patching it up? I'm thinking maybe. But I would think maybe something in that house had the tape on it for a repair. GA would buy a new can IMO. I don't see him patching it. Did it say in the doc dump if the can had a hole, they returned it to the A's. And ya, why is TL breaking a lock instead of giving her a few bucks for gas?

FWIW...

1) In my experience, its not uncommon to use a piece of duct tape on gas cans, pesticide sprayers, etc. to denote their use one vs. the other. For example, one can for oil/gas mixture used by 2-cycle engines (weed trimmer, leaf blower, etc.) and one can for gas-only (lawn mower, etc.). Same thing for hand-held, pump sprayers...one for herbicides (plant-toxic)...one for fertilizers, etc. (plant-friendly). The duct tape provides a surface to write on w/ a permanent marker if needed...or...the presence of the tape alone is enough in some cases.

2) In tearing off tape sometimes you get a ripped piece that you just want to be rid of while you get a better length of tape for the task at-hand. Being lazy you stick the ripped piece on the nearest object with the intent of coming back later to remove it and throw it away. Sorta drive-by-taping, if you will . Of course, this doesn't seem like something George would tolerate for too long...so...FWIW.

3) Details on the 6/23 Ping thread here (replete w /maps, walking distances, times, even street-level views of the fire-hydrant & post where Casey parked and a car that looks alot like a white Pontiac Sunfire in the shot etc) start @ post#28. Casey ran outta gas so close to her house and walked even closer by the time Tony reached where she was to pick her up...that going on to the house to get the gas prolly just seemed the simplest thing to do. When faced with the hassle of going to buy cans, fill them, etc. vs. standing there w/ Casey saying, "Oh...I can't find the key...I'll replace the lock...go ahead...Dad won't mind". Padlock goes for what <$10.

 

[The World According]

In the evidence Amy's text messages reveal that around the time of the no clothes party KC borrowed and forgot to return her DUCT TAPE. Maybe LE already checked where Amy bought it and when.

 

[Skully]

FWIW...

1) In my experience, its not uncommon to use a piece of duct tape on gas cans, pesticide sprayers, etc. to denote their use one vs. the other. For example, one can for oil/gas mixture used by 2-cycle engines (weed trimmer, leaf blower, etc.) and one can for gas-only (lawn mower, etc.). Same thing for hand-held, pump sprayers...one for herbicides (plant-toxic)...one for fertilizers, etc. (plant-friendly). The duct tape provides a surface to write on w/ a permanent marker if needed...or...the presence of the tape alone is enough in some cases. Yes, I think that makes sense, but GA would use plain duct tape and mark all the gas cans IMO. The piece on the can has the logo on it, but maybe he did just put it on there to identify it from another can.

2) In tearing off tape sometimes you get a ripped piece that you just want to be rid of while you get a better length of tape for the task at-hand. Being lazy you stick the ripped piece on the nearest object with the intent of coming back later to remove it and throw it away. Sorta drive-by-taping, if you will . Of course, this doesn't seem like something George would tolerate for too long...so...FWIW. I think that is why this piece is on this can. It was just stuck there as a place to put it and get it unstuck from something else or the fingers of someone's hand.

3) Details on the 6/23 Ping thread here (replete w /maps, walking distances, times, even street-level views of the fire-hydrant & post where Casey parked and a car that looks alot like a white Pontiac Sunfire in the shot etc) start @ post#28. Casey ran outta gas so close to her house and walked even closer by the time Tony reached where she was to pick her up...that going on to the house to get the gas prolly just seemed the simplest thing to do. When faced with the hassle of going to buy cans, fill them, etc. vs. standing there w/ Casey saying, "Oh...I can't find the key...I'll replace the lock...go ahead...Dad won't mind". Padlock goes for what <$10.

Thanks this does make more sense to do than to go get cans, fill up and drive back to her car.

My comments in purple

 

[Skully]

In the evidence Amy's text messages reveal that around the time of the no clothes party KC borrowed and forgot to return her DUCT TAPE. Maybe LE already checked where Amy bought it and when.

Was it ever confirmed that Amy's tape had this logo and address printed on the tape? Also can we see any of the tape in the "anything but cloths party"? If it was Amy's tape and we can see a logo and address on the tape used, well that would be something...

 

[Friday]

If that was her cunning plan it didn't work because the gas cans were given up to LE and fingerprinted and they found none, took swabs, and gave the cans back to Cindy.

The gas can in the A's garage had no fingerprints on it whatsoever? From that I would infer that an A family member wiped down the gas can to get rid of any evidence on it...but whoever did that was evidently unaware of the significance of the duct tape stuck on it.
That would eliminate KC.

That leaves CA, LA, or GA. GA was well aware the cans were in the trunk on the 24th--which later smelled like decomp. Hmmm.

Add that to CA laundering the smelly clothes, etc., and it seems more and more certain that the A's were involved in an active coverup beginning on Day 31. Or am I making wrong assumptions?

 

[Friday]

I bet the duct tape was in the car and kc used a stainless steel steak knife to cut it.
I have a set of stainless steak knives and they look just like your stainless dinnerware.
Cindy most likely removed the tape from the car when she cleaned the knife....bet she gave the LE a dinner knife instead of a steak knife.

Stainless steel dinner knives can have serrated edges. Both sets of mine do, fwiw.

 

[Skully]

The gas can in the A's garage had no fingerprints on it whatsoever? From that I would infer that an A family member wiped down the gas can to get rid of any evidence on it...but whoever did that was evidently unaware of the significance of the duct tape stuck on it.
That would eliminate KC.

That leaves CA, LA, or GA. GA was well aware the cans were in the trunk on the 24th--which later smelled like decomp. Hmmm.

Add that to CA laundering the smelly clothes, etc., and it seems more and more certain that the A's were involved in an active coverup beginning on Day 31. Or am I making wrong assumptions?

I would expect to find GA's prints on the can, and KC's since she returned the can, so no prints is a red flag, and yes, why didn't they take the tape off the can, that includes KC because she would know it would incriminate her.

 

[ecs5298]

The gas can in the A's garage had no fingerprints on it whatsoever? From that I would infer that an A family member wiped down the gas can to get rid of any evidence on it...but whoever did that was evidently unaware of the significance of the duct tape stuck on it.
That would eliminate KC.

That leaves CA, LA, or GA. GA was well aware the cans were in the trunk on the 24th--which later smelled like decomp. Hmmm.

Add that to CA laundering the smelly clothes, etc., and it seems more and more certain that the A's were involved in an active coverup beginning on Day 31. Or am I making wrong assumptions?

Very good point, Friday.

While they may have known that KC was involved in Caylee's disappearance, I'm sure they didn't know any of the details. Otherwise the tape would have been history too.

KC had all the details because she was the perp.

 

[Rumpole]

The duct tape was matched to the duct tape on the gas cans.

LE confirmed the duct tape came from the ANT home.

That sounds like an opening salvo from NG!

Neither item true.

 

[The World According]

Once the FBI taped interviews were released and GA and CA realized they both had in their words "thrown KC under the bus" I trust the entire home was wiped clean for any fingerprints. The gas can having been wiped clean I agree is an obvious attempt to cover up any potential evidence. Whoever did it was not KC because she was watched 24/7 by LP's aide , the female bounty hunter who stayed inside the home.

 

[Rumpole]

Once the FBI taped interviews were released and GA and CA realized they both had in their words "thrown KC under the bus" I trust the entire home was wiped clean for any fingerprints. The gas can having been wiped clean I agree is an obvious attempt to cover up any potential evidence. Whoever did it was not KC because she was watched 24/7 by LP's aide , the female bounty hunter who stayed inside the home.

Just playing devils advocate

In the normal course of picking up a gas can by the handle you would not leave many (any) prints from finger tips.
The surface of the can with solvent (petrol/oil) residue may not be conducive to holding latent, unsmudged prints.

 

[JWG]

I wonder when rolls of the incriminating tape will start popping up on eBay?

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