The elusive "other" cell phone - the Blackjack - REVISITED

[JWG]

In discussing the events that may've been involved w/ Casey xferring the body from Amy's totalled car back into the Pontiac 6/19 (then subsequently xferring it into another container @ Oviedo house, then...) we were discussing two phone #'s Casey called around that time w/ that are still unknown. I posted the other phone #'s w/ the same area code (321) and Bobo noted on listinig was BJ Jacke...maybe...THE BlackJack????!??!!

A reverse phone search of the number in question yielded the following:

It is a cell phone and the carrier is Sprint Spectrum L.P. (for Leonard Padilla!!?? ) (OK, I could not resist that one)

The number is currently Unpublished or Unavailable

The fee-based search websites say they will be happy to provide the owner name for $14.95.

I did look for last name Jacke in FL and could find no one with a first name beginning with B.

 

[trac]

KC seems to use other people's experiences to weave into her lies.For instance Amy totaled her car and her dad paid for a new one.That turned into the Nanny totaled her car and her wealthy dad bought her a new one.
Maybe KC knew someone with a BlackJack that was having problems keeping their phone charged. That stuck in her little brain and she used it when she needed to. I always thought KC came up with the lost phone to explain why she couldn't locate certain phone numbers.
If I'm wrong I hope LE has been able to locate phone records for the "other" phone.

I'm curious - who loses phones so readily? If I lost my phone I'd be trying like heck to find it - she seems so non-chalont about it - eh I lost a phone so what - granted she would just steal the money to replace it I guess

I could have sworn that the money she stole from Amy and her Aunt went to a phone bill AND a new phone

 

[Bree0372]

The money that KC stole from her grandfather's account - the check was for $354 to purchase a new phone. Could this be the blackjack and if so, it should be easy to find out if a new phone number was issued to this phone or not.

 

[trac]

The money that KC stole from her grandfather's account - the check was for $354 to purchase a new phone. Could this be the blackjack and if so, it should be easy to find out if a new phone number was issued to this phone or not.

AND aren't blackjacks only for a certain carrier? Or do other carriers have their own blackjacks?

What I found interesting, speaking of phones - Casey seemed to know about everyones cell carrier - Zani had Verizon, then Sprint then At&t - I find thats odd, who knows a carrier? or kind of cell phone - just a number

 

[jandkmom]

Hey...nobody mentioned my comment above...is it too far out there

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

hmmmm .. I had thought the money from the grandfather or grandmother went to pay a cell phone bill..
Im so lost with all the info... my brain is fried..
:spinner::spinner:

 

[trac]

hmmmm .. I had thought the money from the grandfather or grandmother went to pay a cell phone bill..
Im so lost with all the info... my brain is fried..
:spinner::spinner:

I believe the money for the bill was paid with a forged check with Amy's account - he new phone was a forged check from the grandmother/grandfather

I believe that the cell phone bill payment overdrew Amy's account too

 

[BondJamesBond]

...if that 6 second call went to vmail on 6/20... there wouldn't be a ping for it, would there....d@mn it!

IF there was a ping for the BJ Jacke # on 6/20 w/ AT&T's help LE would have an excellent shot @ identifying the possible location of an evidence disposal location.

ETA: Currently thinking the body was originally contained in something like a duffle during the back-ins @ G&C's, then, transferred to Amy's car, then, from Amy's car to the pontiac 6/19, then transferred to a different container. During the transfer process all evidence that could tie the body to Casey was removed (e.g. body removed from duffle, clothes removed, etc). The body was then placed in a container and the clothing, etc. were placed in a separate bag/container and disposed of in separate locations. Sooo...lets say, if the BlackJack was in the bottom of the duffle, or caught in a pile of clothes in the trunk that were soaked w/ decomp, unbeknownst to Casey, the BlackJack went into the bag and was disposed.

ETA: Clarified... the BlackJack would be in bag of evidence and not w/ the body.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Ok i went back and looked
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155616.pdf
page 5 in the report
Grandma told the police that casey stole a check on 4/10/08 for $354.00 to pay a cell phone bill.
..
I thought i had read that..

 

[mysteriew]

OK...if it turns out to be something...a big hand for Bobo :clap:

If not, well, jus' blame me :bang:

In discussing the events that may've been involved w/ Casey xferring the body from Amy's totalled car back into the Pontiac 6/19 (then subsequently xferring it into another container @ Oviedo house, then...) we were discussing two phone #'s Casey called around that time w/ that are still unknown. I posted the other phone #'s w/ the same area code (321) and Bobo noted on listinig was BJ Jacke...maybe...THE BlackJack????!??!!

So.....

In the period 6/15-7/16 Casey called the BJ # two times. Both on 6/20.

IF what we're speculating is correct about Casey doing some serious body relocation...just a long shot...that she DID lose her BlackJack during the body shuffle 6/19 and realized it on 6/20, then, attempted to locate it by calling it.

She called it twice from Tony's apt. q/ durations of 0 and 6 seconds.

6/20/08 FRI 11:38:55 AM
6/20/08 FRI 11:38:57 AM

Hmmmm....:waitasec:

From what I understand KC's phones had a sim card. My cell also runs with a sim card. The phone won't work without a sim in it- thus she couldn't use one phone to call the other, unless she had a second cell phone account. (the account info is stored in the sim card and the phone number stays the same, no matter what phone the sim card is put into.)

That also gives a drawback to the theory that she lost the phone. Presumably if she was carrying the phone, it would have the sim card in it. If she lost the phone (blackjack) she would also lose the sim card. I think you can get replacements for the sim but they are expensive and we haven't seen any indication that she purchased a replacement.

Now she could have mistakenly thought that the phone itself stored her account info like a computer does, and that by getting rid of the phone she could get rid of incriminating evidence. Thus she might have taken out the sim card and thrown it away. But somehow I can't believe that she would be that niave.

Other than that it was a good theory.

 

[BellaPhia]

OK...if it turns out to be something...a big hand for Bobo :clap:

If not, well, jus' blame me :bang:

In discussing the events that may've been involved w/ Casey xferring the body from Amy's totalled car back into the Pontiac 6/19 (then subsequently xferring it into another container @ Oviedo house, then...) we were discussing two phone #'s Casey called around that time w/ that are still unknown. I posted the other phone #'s w/ the same area code (321) and Bobo noted on listinig was BJ Jacke...maybe...THE BlackJack????!??!!

So.....

In the period 6/15-7/16 Casey called the BJ # two times. Both on 6/20.

IF what we're speculating is correct about Casey doing some serious body relocation...just a long shot...that she DID lose her BlackJack during the body shuffle 6/19 and realized it on 6/20, then, attempted to locate it by calling it.

She called it twice from Tony's apt. q/ durations of 0 and 6 seconds.

6/20/08 FRI 11:38:55 AM
6/20/08 FRI 11:38:57 AM

Hmmmm....:waitasec:

I just want to say I have been reading here since this case started, and I am much impressed by your posts. I agree with you on the above and have tried to express my thoughts in another thread, but some there are adimate that there is not possible that KC had a "blackjack". I have said several weeks ago that KC does not want this phone found and is trying to guide LA to find it, in her "own backwards sort of way". I think the phone was lost during the first move of the body, or during the disposal of the body. Keep up the good work!

 

[HeSaidSheSaid]

I don't believe there was ever another phone, blackjack, or other model. KC just had to come up with something on the fly to explain why on earth she couldn't produce a telephone number for ZFG, Juliete, Jeff, etc. SIM card switching between phones story, never being able to figure out how to save numbers to the phone/SIM story, left imaginary phone on her imaginary desk, in her imaginary office, at her imaginary job at Universal, which she reported the imaginary phone stolen to Universal security story. Blah, blah, blah.

KC is as dumb as a bag of hammers! She's a terrible liar. You'd think she'd be a pro since she's been doing it her whole life, but she just completely sucks at it.

Also, with all of the calling and texting she did, you'd think she'd have a way better cell plan. Her cell phone bills were HUGE. Cripes! She could've gotten unlimited texting for $20 bucks a month on top of a regular calling plan, for a total of about 80/90 dollars a month. Again, she's not very bright.

 

[jandkmom]

OK...if it turns out to be something...a big hand for Bobo :clap:

If not, well, jus' blame me :bang:

In discussing the events that may've been involved w/ Casey xferring the body from Amy's totalled car back into the Pontiac 6/19 (then subsequently xferring it into another container @ Oviedo house, then...) we were discussing two phone #'s Casey called around that time w/ that are still unknown. I posted the other phone #'s w/ the same area code (321) and Bobo noted on listinig was BJ Jacke...maybe...THE BlackJack????!??!!

So.....

In the period 6/15-7/16 Casey called the BJ # two times. Both on 6/20.

IF what we're speculating is correct about Casey doing some serious body relocation...just a long shot...that she DID lose her BlackJack during the body shuffle 6/19 and realized it on 6/20, then, attempted to locate it by calling it.

She called it twice from Tony's apt. q/ durations of 0 and 6 seconds.

6/20/08 FRI 11:38:55 AM
6/20/08 FRI 11:38:57 AM

Hmmmm....:waitasec:

Could the BlackJack number have been Tony's cell phone? According to some of the e-mails that he sent we know he had one. Sometimes if we can't find one of our phones we call it to hear it ring and find it and KC could have been calling it from her phone to find it for Tony. Or could they have swapped phones for some reason...maybe she was going to be out and he was trying to call her from her phone. If her phone was at his house charging and she took his with her, that could also explain Heather asking her about having a Blackjack because KC could have e-mailed her from Tony's phone.

 

[JWG]

A reverse phone search of the number in question yielded the following:

It is a cell phone and the carrier is Sprint Spectrum L.P.

I checked the Sprint website for the Orlando area and noted two things. First, Blackjacks are not an available phone. Second, Sprint coverage in the area of the Anthony household is only fair to no-coverage.

Thus, I think we can say that the phone number associated with BJ Jacke is probably not a Blackjack belonging to KC. :banghead:

 

[BellaPhia]

A Samsung BlackJack can be purchased at any AT&T store for approx 329.99 plus 7% tax (not sure what sales tax in FL is) and total is $353.09...didnt she make a pymt to AT&T for $354....not wether it was for a new phone or the phone bill...I dont know

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/samsungblackjack.jsp

 

[BondJamesBond]

I checked the Sprint website for the Orlando area and noted two things. First, Blackjacks are not an available phone. Second, Sprint coverage in the area of the Anthony household is only fair to no-coverage.

Thus, I think we can say that the phone number associated with BJ Jacke is probably not a Blackjack belonging to KC. :banghead:

Hey, JWG.

FWIW, the number listed is a (321) number, which is Brevard Co. Would hafta go back in this thread to nail the date when she reportedly got one to see if there's a plausbile story for why she'd get an account from there. The poor coverage (+ known battery life issues) may've contributed to it not being used.

Just playin' it out...

 

[Bobo]

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In discussing the events that may've been involved w/ Casey xferring the body from Amy's totalled car back into the Pontiac 6/19 (then subsequently xferring it into another container @ Oviedo house, then...) we were discussing two phone #'s Casey called around that time w/ that are still unknown. I posted the other phone #'s w/ the same area code (321) and Bobo noted on listinig was BJ Jacke...maybe...THE BlackJack????!??!!

So.....

In the period 6/15-7/16 Casey called the BJ # two times. Both on 6/20.

IF what we're speculating is correct about Casey doing some serious body relocation...just a long shot...that she DID lose her BlackJack during the body shuffle 6/19 and realized it on 6/20, then, attempted to locate it by calling it.

She called it twice from Tony's apt. q/ durations of 0 and 6 seconds.

6/20/08 FRI 11:38:55 AM
6/20/08 FRI 11:38:57 AM

Hmmmm....:waitasec:

A reverse phone search of the number in question yielded the following:

It is a cell phone and the carrier is Sprint Spectrum L.P. (for Leonard Padilla!!?? ) (OK, I could not resist that one)

The number is currently Unpublished or Unavailable

The fee-based search websites say they will be happy to provide the owner name for $14.95.

I did look for last name Jacke in FL and could find no one with a first name beginning with B.

Bond & JWG: Is there any other way to determine whose phone number is associated with KC's contact listing of "B Jacke" (or was it "BJ Jacke?")?

We know that KC had phone numbers listed falsely or at least misleading (# for one person was actually another's #). Could be revealing as to the actual person this contact name was associated with.

Or, it could be the Black Jack's separate phone number, I suppose, so she could remember it -- important if this separate phone was for "business." (a "business" with which LA was familiar?) If the number associated with the contact, B Jacke, is a separate phone number for the Black Jack phone, could we get phone records for it? Could LE already have this info?

Another enigma regarding KC's list of contacts (I posted somewhere on some thread, but I can't remember where - lol): KC had a "Brandon H" (#67 on KC's extra SIMM; #61 on KC's cell itself; #137 on that cell's SIMM memory). She DID NOT have a Brandon S on her contact list. If you need the last names, PM me.

Thanks for helping -- I am in awe of both of your investigative skills, and quite a few others here.

 

[BetsyB]

SIM card switching between phones story, never being able to figure out how to save numbers to the phone/SIM story

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This is the part I have difficulty with. My just-turned-12-year-old knows how to save numbers on his SIM. I cannot believe, for even a moment, that Casey Anthony, who spent more hours on the phone than anyone in human history, couldn't manage to figure out how to save numbers to her phone and SIM card. It just doesn't ring true.

I think it's a story concocted to explain her lack of phone numbers for fictitious characters. What better way than to create a fictitious phone to go along with them and the fictitious job?

 

[jandkmom]

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This is the part I have difficulty with. My just-turned-12-year-old knows how to save numbers on his SIM. I cannot believe, for even a moment, that Casey Anthony, who spent more hours on the phone than anyone in human history, couldn't manage to figure out how to save numbers to her phone and SIM card. It just doesn't ring true.

I think it's a story concocted to explain her lack of phone numbers for fictitious characters. What better way than to create a fictitious phone to go along with them and the fictitious job?

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

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This is the part I have difficulty with. My just-turned-12-year-old knows how to save numbers on his SIM. I cannot believe, for even a moment, that Casey Anthony, who spent more hours on the phone than anyone in human history, couldn't manage to figure out how to save numbers to her phone and SIM card. It just doesn't ring true.

I think it's a story concocted to explain her lack of phone numbers for fictitious characters. What better way than to create a fictitious phone to go along with them and the fictitious job?

yeah.. plus I dont think she thought out that the LE would be able to get all the records and see all the numbers of who she called and who called her.
I think that was a awwwChit moment when KC found that out.