The elusive "other" cell phone - the Blackjack - REVISITED

[cocoamom]

I went to telephonereport.com and entered that number. It gave a zip code of 32807 which is Azalea Park - which is in Orlando. The two homes that show on the ping maps for this area are Chris S and Andy P.

Now, 9 days ago (she was right about 31 days so..)would be July 8 right?

Why did she go down to the airport on July 8? What was she driving? Amy's car right? Didn't go near Amy's house though~

 

[BondJamesBond]

Hang in there Bobo (and everyone else)

 

[JWG]

AT&T (which was her carrier) does have Blackjacks and coverage in that area. All companies use the Blackberry system for those phones.

Right, but I checked the number for BJ Blackie and it is listed as a Sprint number.

 

[MissJames]

I have sims cards for all my phones and cameras. They all work without one, but for additional storage they are nice. I can interchange mine from my camera to my phone to get pictures on my phone and vice versa.

Some phones do not have sims cards, but internal memories (my old ones didn't) but most of the new ones (including my Blackberry) have both. You can save something to the phone or the sims or both.

Can you move a sims card back and forth between two phones that have different phone numbers?

 

[debs]

Can you move a sims card back and forth between two phones that have different phone numbers?

A SIM card is an identity card. It is connected to the ACCOUNT, not the phone. Some SIM cards are portable, meaning it can go from phone to phone, registering calls to the ACCOUNT. Others, like the one I have in my phone, are locked...can't be removed. Both the Nokia and the Blackjack have a portable SIM card capability.

 

[Bobo]

A SIM card is an identity card. It is connected to the ACCOUNT, not the phone. Some SIM cards are portable, meaning it can go from phone to phone, registering calls to the ACCOUNT. Others, like the one I have in my phone, are locked...can't be removed. Both the Nokia and the Blackjack have a portable SIM card capability.

Thank you, Debs.

Since KC had an "extra" SIM, is it possible that this "extra" SIM could be registered to the same account as the Nokia's SIM?

Can the ACCOUNT have more than one phone number associated with it?

ETA> Is it possible to have 2 SIM cards with the same phone number?

 

[4oneluv]

OK, I realize that 99% of what Casey Anthony says is a half-truth at best, still, I've been re-listening to Casey's phone call to Lee @ end of July that includes info on her other (i.e. "BlackJack") cell phone.

IF, we play along for a minute, and, indeed, there WAS another cell phone (i.e. "BlackJack" or other) Casey appears to be TRYING to tell Lee that she tossed her cell phone @ Universal Park when she was taken their by LE, 7/16. She indicates the last time she had it for "certain" was when she was in through the park "in through the park talking to a couple of mutual friends", and "it wasn't necessarily fun" and "not through work". At this point she knows the calls are made public and must try to get the point across indirectly.

She later indicates that these "mutual friends" are the ONLY ones she talked to about Caylee missing. The two names she gives are complete fabrications (oh, how ironic) and she disagree’s with the spelling of Juliet to try to clue Lee into what she is trying to tell him, but, he doesn't get it (i.e. the “mutual friends” are the LE that accompanied her 7/16)!

She also indicates "J Blanchard Park" as a potential place she lost it too to try to clue Lee into what she is trying to tell him - as in places she's been escorted around to w/ LE 7/15-7/16, but, he doesn't get it.

She is VERY emphatic about telling him how it might've been lost "that's the thing...if it fell out of my bag...if it fell out of my pocket [LONG PAUSE i.e. "DON’T YOU GET IT?!?!?].

My hope is that LE figured this out some time ago and retraced Universal route they took on 7/16 (i.e. Did she go to a restroom unmonitored?), and checked the lost-and-found @ Universal for any/all cell phones. IF there indeed was another cell phone Casey used, regardless of what type, it may have been tossed in a place where it would be hard to tie back to its original owner.

Casey may have stolen the second cell phone to use when she needed to go undetected, and, hence, didn't have a charger to use. J.P. Chatt immediately went shopping for an iPhone the day he returned from Puerto Rico, suggesting that something had happened to his phone.

J.P.’s phone records would be worth a search.

Dunno about the compatibility of the sim chip between Casey’s phone and the other phone. Maybe just a complete ruse there.

Perhaps not new ideas, but, just in case, I thought they were worth sharing.

I just thought of something, the only person that I realize that had a Blackjack cell phone is Tony L. that is what they took the pics from that he had was from a Blackjack cell phone and yes, that conversation with Lee said alot. Casey is telling her parents in her own way that Caylee is dead without actually saying the words, everytime they mentioned something about Caylees favorite thing to do or how they miss her so much and that they want her home she would cry and always say things like I wish I could take it all back that this would have never happened, but they never ask her if what would have never happened or take what back or her statments as to I wish things could be different.

 

[kaRN]

Her hair is REALLY short in this photo - does anyone know when this was taken - or it is my imagination on how short her hair is....

IIRC this was taken on her 21st birthday.

 

[Bree0372]

Ok i went back and looked
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155616.pdf
page 5 in the report
Grandma told the police that casey stole a check on 4/10/08 for $354.00 to pay a cell phone bill.
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I thought i had read that..

On page 1 of Part 14 in the latest document dump, the email between Cindy's brother Rick and herself, he said: "She STOLE dads check and bought a stupid phone at AT&T so don't lie to me about that. $354!!!! Mom has the g** d*** statement! I know I re verified that with mom today!!!!"

I don't believe there was ever another phone, blackjack, or other model. KC just had to come up with something on the fly to explain why on earth she couldn't produce a telephone number for ZFG, Juliete, Jeff, etc. SIM card switching between phones story, never being able to figure out how to save numbers to the phone/SIM story, left imaginary phone on her imaginary desk, in her imaginary office, at her imaginary job at Universal, which she reported the imaginary phone stolen to Universal security story. Blah, blah, blah.

KC is as dumb as a bag of hammers! She's a terrible liar. You'd think she'd be a pro since she's been doing it her whole life, but she just completely sucks at it.

Also, with all of the calling and texting she did, you'd think she'd have a way better cell plan. Her cell phone bills were HUGE. Cripes! She could've gotten unlimited texting for $20 bucks a month on top of a regular calling plan, for a total of about 80/90 dollars a month. Again, she's not very bright.

I think there was a BJ and I think that she 'lost' it during disposal, or she disposed of it too. There has to be a way to find out about it - and I'm sure LE has looked into it. I agree - she definitely needed to upgrade her plan. Who was paying this bill before? As for the JL, JH, etc., I thought it was interesting that Lee said he spoke with someone (Heather, I believe) that confirmed these people used to work at Kodak/Colorvision. Then in the LE doc dump they show that there never was anyone working there by that name. :waitasec:

A Samsung BlackJack can be purchased at any AT&T store for approx 329.99 plus 7% tax (not sure what sales tax in FL is) and total is $353.09...didnt she make a pymt to AT&T for $354....not wether it was for a new phone or the phone bill...I dont know

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/samsungblackjack.jsp

I think you may be correct here Bella. Rick said that Casey bought a new phone for Universal.

Has anyone figured out where she got the money to make the 574.60 payment on 7/15/08? And WTH it was for, that bill is way high to just be for service. I wonder if this was some of what she stole from Amy.

The AT&T payment that was made on July 15th was done with Amy's checking account; she made it electronically. It was said in another thread that the number programmed into her cell for Universal was actually AT&T's Customer Service number that lets her know her payment was past due. Someone called the number and verified it's Universal AT&T (or something like that).

 

[passionflower]

Just a thought, was Universal searched??? KC knew the area well...........'the THING fell out of my bag'...........1/2 truth, Caylee fell out of the bag?????

 

[BellaPhia]

On page 1 of Part 14 in the latest document dump, the email between Cindy's brother Rick and herself, he said: "She STOLE dads check and bought a stupid phone at AT&T so don't lie to me about that. $354!!!! Mom has the g** d*** statement! I know I re verified that with mom today!!!!"



I think there was a BJ and I think that she 'lost' it during disposal, or she disposed of it too. There has to be a way to find out about it - and I'm sure LE has looked into it. I agree - she definitely needed to upgrade her plan. Who was paying this bill before? As for the JL, JH, etc., I thought it was interesting that Lee said he spoke with someone (Heather, I believe) that confirmed these people used to work at Kodak/Colorvision. Then in the LE doc dump they show that there never was anyone working there by that name. :waitasec:



I think you may be correct here Bella. Rick said that Casey bought a new phone for Universal.



The AT&T payment that was made on July 15th was done with Amy's checking account; she made it electronically. It was said in another thread that the number programmed into her cell for Universal was actually AT&T's Customer Service number that lets her know her payment was past due. Someone called the number and verified it's Universal AT&T (or something like that).

In regards to the BOLD.....this is why I believe that "Universal" is a cover for either a shadey place or group of individuals.....and she may have told Lee what/who it was before she was arrested, since he and the whole United States knows the girl didnt work, he STILL asks her "was she UP at "Universal" for WORK (which everyone already knows she doesnt) or for FUN" when she lost the phone......I truelly believe there is something more to this part of their conversation....IMO.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

In regards to the BOLD.....this is why I believe that "Universal" is a cover for either a shadey place or group of individuals.....and she may have told Lee what/who it was before she was arrested, since he and the whole United States knows the girl didnt work, he STILL asks her "was she UP at "Universal" for WORK (which everyone already knows she doesnt) or for FUN" when she lost the phone......I truelly believe there is something more to this part of their conversation....IMO.

ITA, I think the BJ was 'lost' for a reason. I also think she was involved with shady people. I remember the saying my mom taught me..."Choose your friends wisely, for they are a reflection of yourself."

 

[HeSaidSheSaid]

Yes, I remember that as well! When I heard that she stated the "other phone" had the same number as her Nokia cell phone, the hair stood up on the back of my neck. I thought "KC does NOT want LE to know the phone number of that "other phone" -- then all the nonsense between LA and KC during the jail call about the BlackJack.

I can't let it go . . . . sorry. I wish I could!

Oh, no need to let it go, at all. I just don't believe that there was another cell phone. Oh, and thanks for posting/quoting your post again. I had missed it. Sorry about that, my bad.

As for the convos with Lee, I think he was genuinely trying to get information from Casey to track down this phantom phone so that he could get the contact numbers for all of the people Casey supposedly told that ZFG kidnapped Caylee. The problem for Lee was that Casey was lying "from day one" and no amount of questioning, coded or otherwise, was ever going to provide any useful answers. The "other" phone was her original story and she was sticking to it, in jail, 'cause she knew they were being recorded.

She even stated to LE in her Universal interview, when provided the opportunity to just stop the BS and rescind her previous statement and tell what really happened, that her original story was the truth and "that is the story I want to stick with."

I can only speak for myself, but if I'm telling the truth giving my statement to Law Enforcement, I certainly wouldn't refer to my account of events as a "story" to which I want to stick. I would just state what happened and if asked if I wanted to rescind my account of events, knowing that I was telling the truth, say "No, I don't. This is what happened."

 

[Bree0372]

In regards to the BOLD.....this is why I believe that "Universal" is a cover for either a shadey place or group of individuals.....and she may have told Lee what/who it was before she was arrested, since he and the whole United States knows the girl didnt work, he STILL asks her "was she UP at "Universal" for WORK (which everyone already knows she doesnt) or for FUN" when she lost the phone......I truelly believe there is something more to this part of their conversation....IMO.

I think there is a lot more to this. Lee has to have some idea what she was doing for "work". That statement alone about whether or not KC was at Universal for Fun or Work speaks volumes. I mean, what the heck was she doing all day, every day (and sometimes nights) for 2 years with a child? :waitasec:

I just hope that the A's will take off their rose colored glasses soon and ask themselves these same questions. :bang:

 

[okiedokietoo]

OK, is this a fair synopsis of what we know thus far?

(snipped)
2. (per BondJamesBond) The phone number called the BJ Jacke contact 2 times between 6/15 and 7/16: (both from the area of TL's apt.)
a. Friday 6/20/08 11:38:55 AM (0 seconds)
b. Friday 6/20/08 11:38:57 AM (6 seconds)

No time now to look at cell phone pings to see where KC was on this date and time. Worse case scenario - she had the phone with her when she was disposing of Caylee or checking on Caylee's location and dropped the phone and called the number to locate it. If she was at Someones house I think it might be she called the # to help them locate their phone.
FYI re: Worse Case Scenario - I didn't think like this 5 months ago, so am I smarter or have I been Influenced by the evil of KC?

 

[BondJamesBond]

OK, is this a fair synopsis of what we know thus far?

(snipped)
2. (per BondJamesBond) The phone number called the BJ Jacke contact 2 times between 6/15 and 7/16: (both from the area of TL's apt.)
a. Friday 6/20/08 11:38:55 AM (0 seconds)
b. Friday 6/20/08 11:38:57 AM (6 seconds)

No time now to look at cell phone pings to see where KC was on this date and time. Worse case scenario - she had the phone with her when she was disposing of Caylee or checking on Caylee's location and dropped the phone and called the number to locate it. If she was at Someones house I think it might be she called the # to help them locate their phone.
FYI re: Worse Case Scenario - I didn't think like this 5 months ago, so am I smarter or have I been Influenced by the evil of KC?

OKIE - your coming to the point that was posted earlier. Working on a theory over in Amy's car thread and the 6/19 thread that Casey did a xfer of the body & evidence (clothes, etc.) on 6/19.

Then...bobo points out the BJ Jackie # in kc cell
Then...I check the logs and see only 2 calls ever to the phone on 6/20

Speculation that the blackjack was in the clothes that were disposed 6/19 and Casey realized what may've happened 6/20 and started trying to find it. So, yes, it would be sooooooo ironic if that 6 second call pinged the BJ Jackie phone whose account info could be used to locate the evidence. Note: calls rolling through to vmail on Casey's phone don't ping a location hence would prolly be the same for the blackjack IF it did exist and it all went down like this...thats a big IF...but a fun one to enjoy if nothing else

Still...there are plenty of counterpoints to this theory being made too. All good ones.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Right, but I checked the number for BJ Blackie and it is listed as a Sprint number.

It may have been a Sprint number originally but changed. All numbers are portable now & if you change carriers, you can keep you number. That is what I was thinking may have happened here.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Can you move a sims card back and forth between two phones that have different phone numbers?

Yes, but that may just be my carrier. I don't know about AT & T which she had. Maybe someone with them can let us know.

 

[TxRose]

I understand the interest in the Black Jack - but isn't it even more significant that these so called "other numbers stored directly to the phone" were never called? Nor were calls received from them? They do not show up on her phone records. To me - the fact that there is no record of any calls to or from "Zanny" during that entire time frame speaks volumes. (Or calls from any of these other people nobody can find or verify.)

Her only possible explanation would be that the Black Jack was associated with a different phone account. So are we being asked to believe that she called all her family and friends with her Nokia...but whenever she called Zanny - or Zanny called her - she used her Black Jack instead? That is ridiculous. I would assume LE could verifiy very easily if any other cell phone carriers show another account under her name. To date I have not heard that there are any other accounts. So if she had a Black Jack, it must have somehow been associated with the same phone account as the Nokia.

Am I missing something? Someone let me know!

 

[petchie]

Yes, but that may just be my carrier. I don't know about AT & T which she had. Maybe someone with them can let us know.

I have ATT&T cell service on a family plan. All 3 numbers are billed to one account. Over the years the kdis have upgraded their phones and we haev hung on to the old ones just in case. It is not at all unusual for them to switch their SIM to an old phone that is charged or to take MY phone and put THEIR SIM in when they forget to charge their own.

The SIM is the carrier of the phone number, not the phone in all of our phones (we have about 9 old ones from ATT&T). You can save your contacts (address book) to phone or to SIM in all of them. The kids save to SIM since they know they switch them out at times.

We used to have SPRINT and you could not do switches since they were integrated into the phone (no sim card to remove) Nextel was the same way. (on these phones we all had the same type so they would just switch batteries)

I know there are different types of cell signals used in the USA. Nextel uses one type, and ATT uses a different one. Not sure what sprint uses. We have a nextel tower nearby, but since we have ATT and it uses a different type of signal, our service at home is not as good as when we had nextel.

Hope that helps, will answer any ATT questions if I can