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Emre E said:
John Doe 2000 you mean Steel Rod Guy? That is found Dec 24 1999. Sorry, maybe I put some wrong information
http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1947.html

"Black denim pants, black Nike sneakers"

Now this info tells me that he's not much impaired in his life, maybe trying to keep up with the rhythm of the life. That takes me to the "chiro place" again. Maybe he was getting maintenance treatment there (or a similar place), or for a check up perhaps. And he may be gay wearing bikini underpants. I can bet he's a regular chiro patient living alone who started missing his appointments sometime in autumn 99.
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Nope John Doe 2000 is the manorville male found with Jane Doe. He had surgical scars in his jaw. Now here's a kicker, anyone who had been paying attention to my nonsense with know I think the killer is a Presbyterian because of Anne Weem's poetry on the fake facebooks. Turns out, KU's brother the good Rev. T is a....PRESBYTERIAN minister.
 
Emre E said:
Watch the A&E show. L. Ela says she was going to the concession store. It's on Youtube. You may say Ela is relaying what she heard, you are right there.
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Yes, that comes from "someone else" saying that MW said she was hungry. But we have established that all four of the women were known to keep details from both their pimps/boyfriends and family & friends. There is no definite proof that MW even said she was hungry or going to get some food.
 
Just K said:
Yes, that comes from "someone else" saying that MW said she was hungry. But we have established that all four of the women were known to keep details from both their pimps/boyfriends and family & friends. There is no definite proof that MW even said she was hungry or going to get some food.
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I remember there was a witness report, something like somebody saw her on the service road walking to the concession store. I don't know which road that is. Belongs to a news outlet in the period where Megan was a missing person. You can find it with the keywords above.

And I read a few comments about the Hotel, people complain about not being able to find decent snacks out of regular dining schedule. So, concession store story seems true to me. And please check my post #457 on Victim Maureen Brainard Barnes thread.
 
LindsayLohan6 said:
I bet Dave S remembers some key parts of the conversation. I bet Dave S also caught a good look at the killer's vehicle and perhaps even got a look at the killer. They say he was "too high" to remember the make or model of the car, but i bet he was instructed by LE to say this. If Amber had too lenghty conversations with the guy, Dave probably overheard alot more than he's been letting on. What make DS think Amber knew him, something she said? If he was right there...he overheard. I dont think a seasoned heroin addict like DS would be "too high" to remember the car. When your a heroin addict, you don't get high, you only get normal or sick. I bet LE knows the make and model and DS even if he did catch a glimpse might be able to ID the killer.
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Why isn't this info given out to the public? May be enough info to get this guy!
 
Amber had DS walk her to the corner where she was to meet the John "near a convenience store". Of course, residential areas have gas stations and convenience stores. Up here they are normally called Cumberland Farms amongst others. She didn't live in a rural area. She was in suburbia.
 
Spice said:
Amber had DS walk her to the corner where she was to meet the John "near a convenience store". Of course, residential areas have gas stations and convenience stores. Up here they are normally called Cumberland Farms amongst others. She didn't live in a rural area. She was in suburbia.
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Never heard that. Look on the map, Amber lived on America Avenue, in that area it looks like 100 % residential with no delis,food/gas south of main roads like Merrick/sunrise. Plus all accounts like the one I quoted for you indicate AMber was picked up outside the house. If you can show me a quote i'll concede but i can show u ten that say outside the house
 
Just K said:
My point is that the driver may have been called directly, like MP. Or that the "john" sent a driver of his choice. Telling the girls what type of car would be picking her up. My point is that the driver was directed to pick up the victims and was paid to deliver them to the killer. In essence, I am suggesting that the driver was working for the killer not the women.
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I doubt he would use a driver to pick them up, he more likely did it him self. Fewer loose ends that way. I would say that it was almost certain that these women were picked up by the client and driven to where the deed was supposed to be done, as opposed to them driving there themselves, or being driven there by some third person. From my research (limited though it may be) this is considered a risky way of doing business, but does happen from time to time in the lower ends of the business (the women who are one step lower than traditional escorts, but one step higher than those who walk the street). They are more likely to take risks for a big payday than a higher level escort.

I would think the killer is someone who had seen them before, and possibly someone who paid well, so they trusted him and took risks they might not normally take.
 
I'm trying to get the point across that there was no "john" that it was always a set up. The girls thought they were meeting the john or being picked up by a driver he sent... in the same way J Brewer called MP to deliver SG to OB. And that the driver is either paid to kill the girls or to deliver them to the site where they were killed. I honestly think that each of the woman crossed someone, within an organized group, and were killed because of it. With the GB4, whoever was charged with killing and discarding them took some kind of sick delight in his job.

IMO, Manorville and the other dismemberment cases were done because someone threatened to expose or disrupt the larger criminal activity, like CB, or had already done something that threatened the dealings of the organization. It could have been as simple as refusing to steal a car or transport a stolen car, participate in retail theft rings or real estate scam operations, testifying against someone, keeping or loosing drugs or money that belonged to someone above them, or causing them to loose or expose influential clients or people associated with these criminal activities. Leaving their bodies scattered was to send messages to certain people.

I don't know how to make it more clear. I don't believe this is a serial killer. I believe it is someone they were aware of through their work, who they trusted to get in a vehicle with and who was either paid to deliver them or to kill them and then to dispose of them.
 
FINALLY someone tends to agree with my theory why these gals were killed and not being part of a serial killing, per se. I am NOT saying it isn't the work of a serial killer - I am saying it probably is not. I can't get my head around how the cops could eliminate Brewer as the killer or not being involved.

IMO, there is just no way Brewer could be eliminated as a suspect so soon into the investigation unless the cops know who did it and why. They just didn't say he didn't do it, they all but hired a sky writing plane to write the message. Like the TV commercial for Lotto where the guy is on the top of the Empire State with a megaphone.

Wise up ! This is classic SCPD nonsense.
 
LindsayLohan6 said:
Never heard that. Look on the map, Amber lived on America Avenue, in that area it looks like 100 % residential with no delis,food/gas south of main roads like Merrick/sunrise. Plus all accounts like the one I quoted for you indicate AMber was picked up outside the house. If you can show me a quote i'll concede but i can show u ten that say outside the house
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I don't need you to concede, I am the first to concede when I am wrong. To your point, Amber did not get picked up in front of the house. She walked "down the block" after Dave hugged her goodbye.(pg. 166 Lost Girls) And again, America Avenue is not in some rural area. There are convenience stores all over suburbia. That being said....I was incorrect. The book did not state that she walked to a convenience store. ( I thought it did) My mistake. Just that she walked down the block to meet her call. She was not picked up in front of the house.

After posting an ad sometime after midnight, A security camera captured Megan leaving the hotel (which was isolated and located on a service road) at 1:30 A.M., "one witness later said thatMegan appeared to be walking down the service road toward a nearby convenience store" (Pg. 144 Lost Girls)"

I mixed up the information, my apologies. My original thought was always that in the case of Amber and Megan, it appears that the killer took pains to NOT pick them up in front of wherever they were staying but directed them to "walk down the block" or walk to a specific area. Both of them.
 
It appears amber and Megan walked away from where they were staying. What about Melissa? She was last seen sitting on the curb in front of hef house. Did she get in the killers car in front of her house? It appears the killer went back to OP to place the dolls at the crosses. Maybe he also drives by Ambers and Melissas houses for sick kicks.
 
fred&edna said:
What don't you like about the book?
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For one, it mentions AD going with JB to try and file a missing person report, which I'm almost positive never happened. Secondly it mentions SG knocking on the door of another OIBA resident that I'm positive never happened.
 
mcme said:
For one, it mentions AD going with JB to try and file a missing person report, which I'm almost positive never happened. Secondly it mentions SG knocking on the door of another OIBA resident that I'm positive never happened.
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Here's a quote from a respected friend
The LINK is really not much more than someone's account of what they think might have happened.

I'm answering to you but don't get this personal, I just raising my objection to a notion.

When a post doesn't sit right in you, asking for links/source is OK, but when you are confronted with the same request you don't, and keep maintaining your opinion. To me it's no problem. Like the quote says above, a link is just someone else's opinion. It doesn't make that a fact. Brewer went to the police with Alex Diaz or not I wouldn't know, I can only refer to a third party, that happens to be Robert Kolker.

But there are some details I am 100% positive. Like Brewer and Pak keeping shut about the 911 call.

I don't buy the official theory but how about the possibility Shannan was trying to cling onto life when Brewer didn't tell anybody about her 911 call? That would put him in a very different position right?

Anyway I don't think she murdered herself. I think that morning she was probably being overdrugged but couldn't swallow well due to her cracked hyoid bone.

Btw, I know it's not the right place to do that but; Where is Kim Overstreet?
 
LE probably told Kim Overstreet to keep a low profile. I hope shes well.
 
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