MurriFlower
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LOL. What about Boulder newspapers, TV news programmes, you know, credible mainstream media sources.
Actually its...4/6, 6/8, 8/10,10/12, 12/14......SOOO...if 4/6's were the only ones found in her underwear drawer.....then really the 12/14's were FOUR sizes too big, and not just one.
my bold.
This is a websitesite that appears to have been set up by a forum poster known as "MissMarple" which regularly quotes posters on various forums as a source, so it's just basically a forum regurgitated. It is NOT a "mainstream media source"
Are you positive that panties run in these sizes? Little girls clothing is 2-4, 6-8, 10-12, and 14-16.
Are you positive that panties run in these sizes? Little girls clothing is 2-4, 6-8, 10-12, and 14-16. I still say that fourteen, fifteen years ago panties could be bought in all sizes 4, 5, 6, whatever, and can remember being annoyed when they combined sizes or started labeling them as s,m,l.
my bold.
This is a website that appears to have been set up by a forum poster known as "MissMarple" which regularly quotes posters on various forums as a source, so it's just basically a forum regurgitated. It is NOT a "mainstream media source"
Bloomingdale Size Chart: Size 12: For an 84-pound child. The actual measurements of the child are going to be more accurate fit-wise than the average age.Bloomingdales own size chart. Notice what is says down the bottom.
Please Note: some of our brand manufacturer's sizing differs from our exclusive Bloomingdales's sizing.
So, unless someone can come up with a credible mainstream media source for Bloomingdales changing the dimensions of their size 12 clothing lines between 1996 and now, we can assume that IF they were size 12, they were designed to fit a 9-10 year old not a 12-14 year old.
Those are not panty sizes those are clothes sizes,Murry.
Also underwear is never included in "apparel",underwear sizes are always different.
The current Bloomingdale website has a chart for adult intimates but not for children.
Underwear is not now and never has been sized the same as "apparel"
MF, this is a current sizing chart. Please refer to previous posts where Patsy talks about JonBenet, her size underwear and the size she bought Jenny.
Then, if you find something from 1996 that refutes what Patsy said, post it.
Bloomingdales own size chart. Notice what is says down the bottom.
Please Note: some of our brand manufacturer's sizing differs from our exclusive Bloomingdales's sizing.
So, unless someone can come up with a credible mainstream media source for Bloomingdales changing the dimensions of their size 12 clothing lines between 1996 and now, we can assume that IF they were size 12, they were designed to fit a 9-10 year old not a 12-14 year old.
Will the National Enquirer do?credible mainstream media source
18 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Well, let's start
19 with what - I will make it very simple for
20 you, Mrs. Ramsey. What information are you
21 in possession of or what do you know about
22 the underwear that your daughter was wearing
23 at the time she was found murdered?
24 A. I have heard that she had on a
25 pair of Bloomi's that said Wednesday on them.
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1 Q. The underwear that she was
2 wearing, that is Bloomi's panties, do you
3 know where they come from as far as what
4 store?
5 A. Bloomingdales in New York.
6 Q. Who purchased those?
7 A. I did.
So Patsy backtracks realizing she has made a mistake and invokes a loss of memory both on underwear size and whether there were two or one pack purchased.2 Q. Which of those two trips did you
3 purchase the Bloomi's?
4 A. The first trip.
5 Q. Was it something that was selected
6 by JonBenet?
7 A. I believe so.
8 Q. Was it your intention, when you
9 purchased those, for those to be for her,
10 not for some third party as a gift?
11 A. I bought some things that were
12 gifts and some things for her. So I
13 don't --
14 Q. Just so I am clear, though, it is
15 your best recollection that the purchase of
16 the underpants, the Bloomi's days of the
17 week, was something that you bought for her,
18 whether it was just I am buying underwear
19 for my kids or these are special, here's a
20 present, that doesn't matter, but it was your
21 intention that she would wear those?
22 A. Well, I think that I bought a
23 package of the -- they came in a package of
24 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
25 I think I bought a package to give to my
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1 niece.
2 Q. Which niece was that?
3 A. Jenny Davis.
4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do
5 you remember that they come in kind of a
6 plastic see-through plastic container.
7 A. Right.
8 Q. They are rolled up?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. So if I understand you correctly,
11 you bought one package for Jenny Davis, your
12 niece, and one for JonBenet?
13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or
14 two.
15 Q. Do you remember what size they
16 were?
17 A. Not exactly.
15 THE WITNESS: They were just in
16 her panty drawer, so I don't, you know, I
17 don't pay attention. I mean, I just put all
18 of her clean panties in a drawer and she can
19 help herself to whatever is in there.
20 MS. HARMER: I guess I am not
21 clear on, you bought the panties to give to
22 Jenny.
23 THE WITNESS: Right.
24 MS. HARMER: And they ended up in
25 JonBenet's bathroom?
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1 A. Right.
2 Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Was there - I'm
3 sorry. Do you recall making a decision then
4 not to give them to Jenny or did JonBenet
5 express an interest in them; therefore, you
6 didn't give them to Jenny? How did that --
7 A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I
8 think I bought them with the intention of
9 sending them in a package of Christmas things
10 to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that
11 together, so I just put them in her, her
12 panty drawer. So they were free game.
13 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) At the time,
14 how old was Jenny?
15 A. I don't know. Probably -- I
16 don't know. She is older than JonBenet, but
17 I don't know exactly how old she was.
18 Q. Would these panties, size wise, be
19 more appropriate for -- is she an older
20 girl?
21 A. Yes.
1 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Okay. Were you
2 aware that these were the size of panties
3 that she was wearing, and this has been
4 publicized, it is out in the open, that they
5 were size 12 to 14? Were you aware of
6 that?
7 A. I have become aware of that, yes.
8 Q. And how did you become aware of
9 that?
10 A. Something I read, I am sure.
11 Q. And I will just state a fact
12 here. I mean, there were 15 pair of panties
13 taken out of, by the police, out of
14 JonBenet's panty drawer in her bathroom. Is
15 that where she kept -
16 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
17 Q. -- where you were describing that
18 they were just put in that drawer?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Okay. And every one of those was
21 either a size four or a size six. Okay?
Bloomingdales own size chart. Notice what is says down the bottom.
Please Note: some of our brand manufacturer's sizing differs from our exclusive Bloomingdales's sizing.
So, unless someone can come up with a credible mainstream media source for Bloomingdales changing the dimensions of their size 12 clothing lines between 1996 and now, we can assume that IF they were size 12, they were designed to fit a 9-10 year old not a 12-14 year old.
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GIVE IT A REST ALREADY! Patsy bought size 12 panties for her 12 year-old niece!!!
JonBenet had size 4 (old) and 6 (new) panties...Size 6 for a 6-year-old!
Bloomingdales own size chart. Notice what is says down the bottom.
Please Note: some of our brand manufacturer's sizing differs from our exclusive Bloomingdales's sizing.
So, unless someone can come up with a credible mainstream media source for Bloomingdales changing the dimensions of their size 12 clothing lines between 1996 and now, we can assume that IF they were size 12, they were designed to fit a 9-10 year old not a 12-14 year old.
Bloomingdales own size chart. Notice what is says down the bottom.
Please Note: some of our brand manufacturer's sizing differs from our exclusive Bloomingdales's sizing.
So, unless someone can come up with a credible mainstream media source for Bloomingdales changing the dimensions of their size 12 clothing lines between 1996 and now, we can assume that IF they were size 12, they were designed to fit a 9-10 year old not a 12-14 year old.
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GIVE IT A REST ALREADY! Patsy bought size 12 panties for her 12 year-old niece!!!
JonBenet had size 4 (old) and 6 (new) panties...Size 6 for a 6-year-old!
Size 12/14...which makes them even bigger than a regular ole size 12!!!!!
MurriFlower,
Will the National Enquirer do?
RDI base this aspect of the case on the verbatim account offered by Patsy in her interviews. not on any size differential.
Patsy stated she purchased those size-12's:
Patsy's Atlanta 2000 Interview, excerpt
First account offered by Patsy suggests she purchased the size-12's for JonBenet, then she backtracks, becomes uncertain, and thinks just one pack of underwear was purchased for Jenny Davis.
So Patsy backtracks realizing she has made a mistake and invokes a loss of memory both on underwear size and whether there were two or one pack purchased.
Questioned further Patsy starts to embellish her account and to lie outright, all bolded.
Patsy's Atlanta 2000 Interview, excerpt
Finally her interviewers inform her of the status of underwear recovered from JonBenet's underwear drawer:
Patsy's Atlanta 2000 Interview, excerpt
RDI cognoscenti should note that if the above account were true then either 14 pairs of size-12 bloomingdales should have been discovered in JonBenet's underwear drawer or 7 pairs of size-12 bloomingdales. Neither case was substantiated.
This is what is important, not any size differential, its the non-existence of the said purchased bloomingdale underwear.
So MurriFlower you really must stick to finding some evidence for your own preferred theory.
We all note a distinct lack of evidence for any IDI theory, and despite repeated requests you and your virtual sidekick have yet to furnish this board with any new evidence at all.
We are not in the business of inventorying our evidence to you for all our RDI theories. Thats something we do, so stop playing semantic games over underwear sizes, or the truthfulness of interviewers and concentrate on what Patsy said:
e.g. she lied outright and was caught out!
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No need. This agrees with what PR said. If she bought size 12 then it was probably too small for Jenny, so that could be why she gave them to JBR.
If you can find an underwear chart from Bloomingdales that refutes these sizes, (either from now or 1996) then please post it.