the question phase continues: Arias on the stand for the 18th day #85

[Clue Finder 55]

I think that weather the shot was first or last has no impact on this murder not being premeditated.
Jodi said after she shot him Travis was grabbing at her clothes.
This shows that after he was shot he was still alive so when she used the knife he would have been aware of the pain and that he was going to die.
If Travis was stabbed first and by the number of stab wounds he at some point would not have been a threat.
So if she now shoots him it would be intent to kill after Travis not being a threat anymore.
The slashing of his throat brings up aggravating circumstance .

Aggravating circumstances
Factors that increases the severity or culpability of a criminal act, including, but not limited to, heinousness of the crime, lack of remorse, and prior conviction of another crime

 

[lilyet]

Had a couple stop over last evening for a visit and Dr Drew was on and they were somewhat paying half attention. The wife asked what the case was about and her husband replied it was about some guy who had been abusing his girlfriend and he had been taking nude pictures of her and had been posting them online, and she finally snapped and killed him. Really bothered me, so I filled them in, and told him that unless he knew the whole story and facts of the case he was in no position to comment. He was convinced just by tidbits he had seen that she was abused, why else would she have killed him .

Three weeks ago one of my sisters called and said, "Oh my god, have you been watching that trial about the girl who killed her boyfriend. Even though he was a pig he did not deserve to die that way." I was livid and convinced her to watch the background interrogations, inside edition, and pretty much filled her in on the case. She has been stuck to the trial since and would love to see Jodi pay with her life, and gets it now.

It bothers me that people are so quick to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts, and it really, really bothers me how Jodi has just drug Travis through the mud, so to speak. Now we have to listen to some abuse expert deem Jodi a victim based on her lies and tall tales. YUK!! I look forward to Juans cross of the experts, and if they have been watching the trial, I think they may be somewhat concerned and careful in their testimony.

 

[Schuby]

Sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere and I missed it....

When JM asks Jodi about something she testified to on an earlier date and she fudges her answer, why doesn't he refer to transcripts of that earlier testimony to refute her new (and improved!) answer? Is that not allowed? I could swear I've seen that in other trials.

Better yet, I wish he could cue up the video of her on the stand where the lies are COMING OUT OF HER OWN LIPS!

Remember, he can't anticipate when she's going to change her story so having the transcript of that particular piece of testimony is impossible. If he really wanted to he could stop testimony to find it but that's like going down a rabbit hole, who knows how long it would take. He will probably point out her inconsistencies in closing argument at some point.

 

[BritsKate]

There is no way they can make her out to be a DV victim..but they will try which will require more dragging TA through the mud. :banghead:

Normally I'd be doing everything in my power to support a DV advocate. Seriously, I've volunteered with some absolutely incredible souls who have dedicated their entire lives to doing nothing but helping people, not only come through abuse, but learn to truly live and enjoy life again.

To ignore very well known abusive behaviors - like stalking or damaging a person's property - just because someone claims they're a victim is just unconscionable to me.

It's beyond perverse in my own little playbook of life. :banghead:

 

[katiedid2]

I hate to admit this but I have been trying to go onto the jodiariasisinnocent site to see what out of this world theories they are proclaiming and I haven't been able to get in. Does anyone else look at these (I know someone does-don't lie) and are you having trouble too?

I went there a few days ago
Read a few posts and left! It's crazy how they rationalise and twist the facts to serve their agenda (JA) fav word.
I couldn't handle reading what they were twisting as fact.:waitasec:

 

[Kajaa24]

Who is it that JM keeps referring to that Jodi is telling a different story to? (The story that she found TA in his masterbatorial activities looking at his computer and the story about her and Matt or Bobby and her being broken up when he was seeing Bianca)

I believe her name is Alyson LaViolette (sp), a social worker who 'helped' JA in the beginning of her case - and surprise surprise was lied to.

 

[Schuby]

This may have been discussed already and, if so, I apologize. Did anyone notice JA's mention of taking a picture while in the U-Haul truck? I think she said her neck wouldn't show and, IF it did, the bruises would have been covered by makeup. Also, she mentioned something about how she had not seen the photo in years.

Does that mean Juan Martinez probably got his hands on a photo of her in or beside the U-Haul right after the alleged choking incident and will bring that in during rebuttal? TIA for your thoughts!

That is exactly what it means.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I will probably not listen to the paid so called greedy experts. It makes me literally sick to listen colleagues (if I can really call them colleagues) sell themselves out for the mighty dollar to make fools of themselves.

I testified once in a divorce case. However, I would not evaluate the client because I knew they would lie. I testified the general symptoms and characteristics and affects on the family of Alcoholism. That is it.

I will follow the discussion here but don't plan to have livestream or TV on during the experts' testimony. I'm reminded of the "grief expert" who testified in the CA trial who appeared to be :tipsy: on the stand. Her court appearance was clearly a performance: "It's showtime!"

 

[spyhouston]

Just finished watching youtube from all of yesterday. Of all the things that JM said to her during all of his various questioning, my very very very favorite is awhile back when she was crying on the stand. JM didn't miss a beat, he didn't hesitate, he just said ma'am were you crying when you stabbed Mr. Alexander, were you crying when....etc. That is my very favorite moment of this whole trial!!!

 

[Harmony 2]

Sorry if this has been addressed elsewhere and I missed it....

When JM asks Jodi about something she testified to on an earlier date and she fudges her answer, why doesn't he refer to transcripts of that earlier testimony to refute her new (and improved!) answer? Is that not allowed? I could swear I've seen that in other trials.

Better yet, I wish he could cue up the video of her on the stand where the lies are COMING OUT OF HER OWN LIPS!

:welcome6:

 

[Clue Finder 55]

Just jumping in...as I am sure everyone here has learned, it's impossible to "catch up" when being away overnight.

Regarding the jury experimenting with the shelves, or whatever.

I just can't imagine anyone living in today's modern world of "do it yourself" furniture, and organizational units either at home or work, that hasn't had experience with those types of shelves.

EVERYONE knows what happens if you put too much weight too far forward. EVERYONE knows that if you put too much weight anywhere the pegs will break or fall out.

I just can't imagine anyone not knowing how they work. Granted, most people have NOT tried to stand on one to get to an upper shelf...because they know what happens. LOL!

I don't think this is lost on anyone in that jury. They seem rather intelligent, and are following along well IMO based on the questions asked.

And even if my "everyone" is a stretch (admittedly that was rather inclusive)...I think people would be able to understand that a shelf laying on 4 small pegs wouldn't be that sturdy, no matter how much you weigh or don't weigh. That picture is very clear with all those little holes, and that they aren't stationary.

I agree with you that these types of shelves hold little weight on them and that they will not hold 120 lbs of weight espesialy when the weight is applied to them very suddenly.
The fact that the shelves do not support this 120 lb weight makes the whole ( I reached up and got the gun)theory impossible so no gun from the closet.
That means she brought the gun with her--CASE SLOSED

 

[Zeno49]

I believe that the whole thing took 62 sec. is true because she had the gun and knife with her. She watched him die slowly.

It would of course be interesting to have 2 players actually simulate the entire JA story of the bathroom death struggle in order to map time and event duration. JA’s story is on its face utterly preposterous and a total fabrication. Serious trial observers debate the actual crime.
The following must be accounted for:

START WATCH=

*Travis in the shower sitting position
*The camera angle goes askew. TA arises and assumes a standing position.
*A struggle ensues. TA fights and sustains deep defensive wounds to his hands.
*Knife thrusts to TA body. TA manages to get to the bathroom sink. A considerable amount of blood is expelled at or on the sink. TA expectorates a substantial amount of blood spatter.
*Some 20 knife thrusts to the back torso and back of head. (To land a knife wound into skin muscle and cartilage, free the knife, re-*advertiser censored* the hand and land another blow takes time. Example- try landing 20 blows into a slab of ham and clock yourself and note how much time elapses!)
*Movement down the bathroom hallway.
*JA positions herself over TA body in order to gain optimal purchase so as to slice his throat back to the vertebral column.
*The dropped camera has to be moved to a new position.
*TA has to bleed out to the point of unconsciousness.
*TA’s near dead body has to be positioned so that JA can haul the corpse back into the bathroom,

STOP WATCH

I believe it is conventional wisdom that the events above could occur in the space of 62 seconds but such activity would be characterized as “frenzied”.

The Shot Second Theory –

Once JA gets the corpse back into bathroom she has ample time to access the gun, and shoot him in the head. The shot is from the JA standing position to TA recumbent position ie angled downward from right to left.
One theory as to why JA would shoot TA post mortem= is to prepare the crime scene AS IF there was more than one assailant. The two weapon crime would be viewed as a community effort of two or more thus exculpating JA.
To bolster this theory please note that JA independently asked Agent Flores if the crime had been committed by more than one person. This strange question was posed because JA wanted an indication if the complexity of the crime scene was being interpreted the way she had set it up. That is, TA murder must have been a two person effort.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Whooo - they just put a pic of Samuels on HLN, and his appearance reminds me a little of GUS!!

 

[Ricki]

and not to forget in re 21) - she contradicted herself (yet again) by answering a jurors question of how many times did she see the gun? JA answer : 3 times, twice while cleaning and on June 4th...
UARGH

Then there was he never owned a gun in her investigations and "TV debuts."

 

[popsicle]

I have posted a while ago so it's possible that I've been banned but that was a real delay if that was the case. Is there a way to know you are banned? Also, I have had trouble in the past but eventually did get in but this time seems to be worse than ever.

Clear your history and then try it.

 

[gitana1]

I think the sex tape was a setup/ blackmail to use against Travis. You hear in the tape Jodi asking very leading questions about different sex acts and baits him to talk about them. The sex talk doesn't happen until much later in the tape. The first part of the convo is chitter chatter, which leads me to believe he had no idea this was being taped or was supposed to be a taped convo of sex talk.

I think by time she planned the staged burglary of her grandparents home in order for her to steal the gun she was in the planning stage of killing Travis. That was her method of choice.

I think she chose the shower because she would have an advantage over Travis. Having him sit, then shoot him. The mess contained in that one area then leave.

I think she waited outside Travis' house until the roommate left so that no one would know she was there.

Her plan was to kill him in the shower so she figured the best way to accomplish this was to have sex with him and pretend she wanted to take pics. Being she knew he would always take a shower after sex. She then baited him to get into the shower telling him those would be great pics. I think at the end she asked him to sit, at that point she only had a split second to shoot him because she knew once he saw the gun he would bolt. So immediately after sitting she pulls the gun from her pocket and hastily shoots him but the bullet enters his head in a way that isn't immediately fatal. As she panics to shoot him again he gets up stunned and staggering to the sink, she tries to fire again. But the gun jams. She runs to the kitchen for a knife knowing she cannot leave him alive. In the meantime Travis is over the sink spitting blood, she is now behind him stabbing him in the back and head. He turns to grab the knife and that is when his hand is cut. I think this is where he gets some of the frontal stabs. He tries to get away from her by going down the hall, stumbles and falls and it is then she goes crazy with her knife and also slashes his throat. She cuts her left hand at some point and is bleeding. Evidence of her blood and his mixed on the wall in the form of her left hand print on the wall. She drags him to the shower because he has her DNA on him.

After he is washed off in the shower she attempts a clean up... Takes his journal and what ever else and leaves.

This is my theory because she went thru the trouble of getting her grandfathers gun. So to me it feels as though that was her method of choice. She didnt anticipate that the first shot would not immediately kill him. I think her intention was a quick clean shot and then get out of there. I don't think she would get there and then choose a knife. And didnt know the gun would jam. At that point she had to get the knife to insure he would die.

I'm with you on this. And there was a forensic expert on Dr. Drew last night who stated that the gun first theory is supported by the autopsy results.

 

[Schuby]

Awe, my cat just tried to get in a basket of laundry and, instead of jumping in clean, he tried to leverage himself on the basket edge, resulting him the basket springing to it's side and raining socks and underwear on him. My first thought? "Just like Jodi and those closet shelves..."

 

[LaneGirl]

That is exactly what it means.

Hello fellow Texan!

Did I hear JM say picture taken June 3rd???

 

[KMouse]

This may have been discussed already and, if so, I apologize. Did anyone notice JA's mention of taking a picture while in the U-Haul truck? I think she said her neck wouldn't show and, IF it did, the bruises would have been covered by makeup. Also, she mentioned something about how she had not seen the photo in years.

Does that mean Juan Martinez probably got his hands on a photo of her in or beside the U-Haul right after the alleged choking incident and will bring that in during rebuttal? TIA for your thoughts!

It means there is no evidence of bruises on her neck in Jodi-speak.

 

[moonbird]

It would of course be interesting to have 2 players actually simulate the entire JA story of the bathroom death struggle in order to map time and event duration. JA’s story is on its face utterly preposterous and a total fabrication. Serious trial observers debate the actual crime.
The following must be accounted for:

START WATCH=

*Travis in the shower sitting position
*The camera angle goes askew. TA arises and assumes a standing position.
[...]
*A struggle ensues. TA fights and sustains deep defensive wounds to his hands.
*Knife thrusts to TA body. TA manages to get to the bathroom sink. A considerable amount of blood is expelled at or on the sink. TA expectorates a substantial amount of blood spatter.
*Some 20 knife thrusts to the back torso and back of head. (To land a knife wound into skin muscle and cartilage, free the knife, re-*advertiser censored* the hand and land another blow takes time. Example- try landing 20 blows into a slab of ham and clock yourself and note how much time elapses!)
*Movement down the bathroom hallway.
*JA positions herself over TA body in order to gain optimal purchase so as to slice his throat back to the vertebral column.
*The dropped camera has to be moved to a new position.
*TA has to bleed out to the point of unconsciousness.
*TA’s near dead body has to be positioned so that JA can haul the corpse back into the bathroom,

STOP WATCH

I believe it is conventional wisdom that the events above could occur in the space of 62 seconds but such activity would be characterized as “frenzied”.

The Shot Second Theory –

Once JA gets the corpse back into bathroom she has ample time to access the gun, and shoot him in the head. The shot is from the JA standing position to TA recumbent position ie angled downward from right to left.
One theory as to why JA would shoot TA post mortem= is to prepare the crime scene AS IF there was more than one assailant. The two weapon crime would be viewed as a community effort of two or more thus exculpating JA.
To bolster this theory please note that JA independently asked Agent Flores if the crime had been committed by more than one person. This strange question was posed because JA wanted an indication if the complexity of the crime scene was being interpreted the way she had set it up. That is, TA murder must have been a two person effort.

[...] isn't this when he supposedly says something like 'a 5 year old can hold a camera better than you can' AND 'fogging idiot!' ...?