The Ramsey case in general

[Tricia]

It's a good idea to go over a few things about the Ramsey forum/case every so often.
Law enforcement has not cleared anyone in the Ramsey house. Law enforcement has not identified any suspects outside of the Ramsey house.
Therefore, in accordance with Websleuths rules, we do not allow accusations of random people outside the house. That is why if someone brings up anyone outside of the house that night and accuses them of being the killer, their post is removed.
As a reminder the DNA in the Ramsey case has been called a red herring by many. Here is a great article about the DNA

New analysis challenges DA’s exoneration of Ramseys in JonBenet case

The DNA evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey case doesn’t support a pivotal and controversial development in Colorado’s most vexing unsolved murder.

www.denverpost.com

The ransome note is the key in my opinion.
I will be posting a few more links in the next couple of days.
It is very frustrating when an organization like CrimeCon gives John Ramsey a platform. Everything he says about an intruder I can disprove with the truth. The problem is no one is allowed to challenge Ramsey when he is given a huge platform.
Don't let the recent John Ramsey comments that have been covered by mainstream media fool you.
There was no intruder. Patsy wrote the note.
All in my opinion of course.
Take care,
Tricia

 

[CloudedTruth]

Thank you, Tricia. Completely agree that the ransom note is the key to this case. I am also convinced that PR was the author. There is virtually no credible evidence that points to an intruder. Mary Lacy never should have "cleared" the Ramseys based upon DNA evidence that she had been informed did not prove the presence of anyone other than the 3 other family members.

I think it calls into question the credibility of events like CrimeCon with a stated purpose of education, when they give a platform to someone like John Ramsey who despite the ill advised (and meaningless) statement by Mary Lacy, remains under the umbrella of suspicion for the death of JonBenet. The Ramsey family has for years publicly vilified and discredited law enforcement who have tirelessly worked this case.

 

[texaslb218]

I am interested in the somewhat renewed interest in JBR's murder.

 

[Knox]

I’ve followed this case closely at first, less so over the last five years. IMO, there was never an intruder.

Curious to hear from those of you that stuck with the case. What happened in the Ramsey house the night JonBenet died?

 

[texaslb218]

The most obvious TO ME is parents covering for son.

 

[OwnedByALabrador]

Originally I thought that it was Burke and the parents were desperately covering for him. My only question is: if Burke had accidentally/deliberately hit JB and caused her death, would the parents have allowed him to stay with the parents' friends the day JB was discovered? Surely they'd have been far too worried about Burke letting something slip?

 

[Sleuth5]

It's a good idea to go over a few things about the Ramsey forum/case every so often.
Law enforcement has not cleared anyone in the Ramsey house. Law enforcement has not identified any suspects outside of the Ramsey house.
Therefore, in accordance with Websleuths rules, we do not allow accusations of random people outside the house. That is why if someone brings up anyone outside of the house that night and accuses them of being the killer, their post is removed.
As a reminder the DNA in the Ramsey case has been called a red herring by many. Here is a great article about the DNA

New analysis challenges DA’s exoneration of Ramseys in JonBenet case

The DNA evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey case doesn’t support a pivotal and controversial development in Colorado’s most vexing unsolved murder.

www.denverpost.com

The ransome note is the key in my opinion.
I will be posting a few more links in the next couple of days.
It is very frustrating when an organization like CrimeCon gives John Ramsey a platform. Everything he says about an intruder I can disprove with the truth. The problem is no one is allowed to challenge Ramsey when he is given a huge platform.
Don't let the recent John Ramsey comments that have been covered by mainstream media fool you.
There was no intruder. Patsy wrote the note.
All in my opinion of course.
Take care,
Tricia

Couldn't agree more. That note was case closed IMO.

 

[Sleuth5]

Thank you, Tricia. Completely agree that the ransom note is the key to this case. I am also convinced that PR was the author. There is virtually no credible evidence that points to an intruder. Mary Lacy never should have "cleared" the Ramseys based upon DNA evidence that she had been informed did not prove the presence of anyone other than the 3 other family members.

I think it calls into question the credibility of events like CrimeCon with a stated purpose of education, when they give a platform to someone like John Ramsey who despite the ill advised (and meaningless) statement by Mary Lacy, remains under the umbrella of suspicion for the death of JonBenet. The Ramsey family has for years publicly vilified and discredited law enforcement who have tirelessly worked this case.

Yeah, I can't see the point of his being there at all. He has a horse in the race, after all, and hence we may reasonably question his motives. After watching the interviews with him and Patsy I was convinced she did it. She could barely contain her temper even when she knew the glare of the media was upon her. I've always thought she lost it with Jon Benet for some reason and accidentally killed her in a fit of rage. John may have believed she was innocent at first, but I think he sussed it out pretty quick. Everything since has been spin to protect his reputation.

 

[proust20]

JR, BR, and JAR have never provided their own scenario of what transpired. To start at the very beginning of events, how did the intruder(s) arrive at the 15th Street residence? Walked there, or by car, or used a bike? Where could they have parked? Or left a bicycle? There were no footprints in the snow. At what time did they arrive? How was it known that the family was out? That the dog was at the Barnhill's? Leaving the house without a trace presents similar difficult, unresolved problems. In interviews, the Rs have never been asked these basic, obvious questions.

 

[HMSHood]

The most obvious TO ME is parents covering for son.

That is what I always suspected.

 

[OwnedByALabrador]

That is what I always suspected.

I always reasoned this was what happened, also. The problem with this theory is that if correct, would Patsy and John really have let Burke go and stay with their friends immediately after JonBenet's body was found? Would they not have feared he would let something slip...?

 

[CloudedTruth]

I always reasoned this was what happened, also. The problem with this theory is that if correct, would Patsy and John really have let Burke go and stay with their friends immediately after JonBenet's body was found? Would they not have feared he would let something slip...?

Perhaps they figured the chances of BR letting something slip to Fleet White's relatives were less dangerous than the probability of him being questioned by police that were all over the house that morning. BR did not know the relatives as well as he knew Fleet & Priscilla. Priscilla stayed at the Ramseys and Fleet returned there after dropping Burke.

 

[OwnedByALabrador]

Perhaps they figured the chances of BR letting something slip to Fleet White's relatives were less dangerous than the probability of him being questioned by police that were all over the house that morning. BR did not know the relatives as well as he knew Fleet & Priscilla. Priscilla stayed at the Ramseys and Fleet returned there after dropping Burke.

But they also agreed for Burke to be interviewed by a child psychologist, the footage has been shown a number of times. I just don't think they would have allowed Burke to do that if he struck the fatal blow, whether by accident or out of malice.

 

[OwnedByALabrador]

Also if Burke was the killer - again whether via accident or design - do we think he ever would have sat down with Dr Phil for that interview? Surely he'd have refused to ever be publicly interrogated as to the events of that night?

 

[Lilibet]

For me, the fact that the Ramseys stalled behind lawyers for four months before talking to LE was highly suspect from the beginning. Legally, they weren’t obligated to speak to LE, but IMO they were, morally and ethically. Their child has been killed. Why wouldn’t they want to do everything in their power to help with the investigation. Unless, of course, they’re guilty. I always felt it was Patsy who killed JB accidentally in anger. And I think the ransom note reflected anger at John.

JMO

 

[OwnedByALabrador]

For me, the fact that the Ramseys stalled behind lawyers for four months before talking to LE was highly suspect from the beginning. Legally, they weren’t obligated to speak to LE, but IMO they were, morally and ethically. Their child has been killed. Why wouldn’t they want to do everything in their power to help with the investigation. Unless, of course, they’re guilty. I always felt it was Patsy who killed JB accidentally in anger. And I think the ransom note reflected anger at John.

JMO

Bit of a vicious circle possibly. The Ramseys insisted that they 'lawyered up' because a friend warned them that as the parents they would be the first suspects, but of course BY lawyering up, that just made them look more suspicious.

 

[CloudedTruth]

But they also agreed for Burke to be interviewed by a child psychologist, the footage has been shown a number of times. I just don't think they would have allowed Burke to do that if he struck the fatal blow, whether by accident or out of malice.

True, however this was a couple of weeks after. Plenty of time for them to coach Burke in what to say and what not to say. His reaction to the picture of the bowl of pineapple I think is particularly telling, and I think it's very likely he was told that was something in particular not to talk about.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Bit of a vicious circle possibly. The Ramseys insisted that they 'lawyered up' because a friend warned them that as the parents they would be the first suspects, but of course BY lawyering up, that just made them look more suspicious.

It wasn't just the lawyering up, that's actually a smart thing to do. That said, the parents / family are ALWAYS going to be the first suspects, especially since it happened in the house and they were all home. That's how it works. But they didn't just hire lawyers....they hired the highest priced, powerful and well politically connected firm in Denver that was in place by EOD on the day the body was found. Lightning fast. Also immediately hired were private investigators and then a PR team. Also hired were separate lawyers for PR, BR, JAR, Melinda and JR's first wife. Seems a little heavy handed IMO. If you are innocent and want the police move on to other suspects, you cooperate. The R's successfully stalled being interrogated for 4 months, and then their attorneys negotiated unprecedented concessions from the police and DA for those interviews to occur that no other defendants that I am aware of would have gotten.

They gave media interviews that were carefully curated, they put out stories via the PR machine that were specifically meant to provide misinformation and muddy the waters. The PR team also set up photo ops for the press at the memorial service in Boulder that turned it into a media circus and angered the church congregation as they felt used by Team R. Everything they did made them look suspicious. Reminds me of the old saying, where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[OwnedByALabrador]

True, however this was a couple of weeks after. Plenty of time for them to coach Burke in what to say and what not to say. His reaction to the picture of the bowl of pineapple I think is particularly telling, and I think it's very likely he was told that was something in particular not to talk about.

Yes I agree re his reaction when asked to identify the bowl of pineapple. I still feel that with such a young child, no parent would allow him to be questioned in that way if they also knew he was the one who killed JonBenet.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Yes I agree re his reaction when asked to identify the bowl of pineapple. I still feel that with such a young child, no parent would allow him to be questioned in that way if they also knew he was the one who killed JonBenet.

I'm not sure they had a choice. They were successful in blocking other things, like access to his medical records, etc. Removing him from the scene on the 26th so that he could not be questioned by police at that time. In Colorado the police have the right to speak to minors without parents being present and without parental permission. Unless the child is under arrest, and then they have similar rights as an adult would (Miranda).